Lightest weight class that could beat a legit HW

[Fesaine]

Woodley doesn't hit anything like Rumble, not in the same ballpark, and I think you're greatly overblowing the speed difference. Rumble is extremely fast and explosive, and his striking is rangier and a lot more unpredictable than Woodley, who relies predominantly on one weapon and a great understanding of timing and range. Woodley wouldn't be able to stand with Rumble and he wouldn't have any chance to score takedowns.

The speed difference is massive, if you can't see it then I don't know what to tell you. rumble is very wild and looping with boxing, there's a lot of extensions and pull on his punches. They're fast but there's a lot less snap to it. Woodley boxing on other hand is a lot better and way more snappy, his punches are tighter, shorter, more compact and he can put up combinations a lot better than rumble due to his form.

Rumble is a scary-powerful fighter but he's not technically sound at all. Woodley is better than rumble at pretty much everything other than power and pure strength.

 

[DizzyYeahYeah]

King Mo (185, 205 & HW) beat Cheick Kongo.

Manhoef and Mousasi beating Hunt is cool but Hunt is one dimensional with a terrible gas tank. He's also 5'10 and overweight. Lol

 

[AhzolTheAfricanWarrior]

I genuinely believe Woodley would beat DC

Romero and Mousasi at middleweight, i think that’s about it

 

[markys00]

flyweight..?
duh

this is kind of a silly question

 

[TemDee]

first dude i thought of. woodley has crazy power and is fast as fuck. could definitely give cormier a good scrap. but cormier is a small heavyweight, wonder what woodley would do against stipe.

Get ko'd.

 

[Rvd Slmr]

Hendo has wins over Fedor and Big Nog, the two best heavyweights of his generation.

 

[Mammothman]

I think WW are too smalls but I feel a couple of elite MW can beat a lot of HW

 

[what-wut]

Heavyweights are supposed to be the baddest men when it comes to fighting. However, we've seen smaller HWs dominate bigger HWs, and we've even seen people from LHW coming up to beat HWs.

The idea that bigger is better doesn't seem to hold true in lots of these fights. So provided they use a smart game plan to win the (point) fight. What is the lightest weightclass (and which fighter) that you could see beating a top 5 HW?

Bonus: what do you think would happen if 135er or 145er would employ a strict hit and run tactic against a HW to try and outpoint them. Let's say they just go for like 5 punches / kicks a round, and circle / run for the rest of the fight. Would they get caught?

that's all fine and dandy, but who is in your AV?

 

[Sapp]

The speed difference is massive, if you can't see it then I don't know what to tell you. rumble is very wild and looping with boxing, there's a lot of extensions and pull on his punches. They're fast but there's a lot less snap to it. Woodley boxing on other hand is a lot better and way more snappy, his punches are tighter, shorter, more compact and he can put up combinations a lot better than rumble due to his form.

Rumble is a scary-powerful fighter but he's not technically sound at all. Woodley is better than rumble at pretty much everything other than power and pure strength.

Rumble is wild, yes, but the square non-stance he fights from makes the angles he throws from unpredictable and make it very difficult to get establish any sort of range. He also has great lateral movement and is sneakier as a counter-puncher than people give him credit for. Woodley is much more predictable, blitzes forward linearly and throws the overhand right. A lot tighter and cleaner yes, but not nearly as effective. He just has developed an extremely polished timing and understanding of range to go with his speed which has made him so successful. Yet, because of his predictability you got situations where he just gets rounds chipped from him like in the Wonderboy or Rory fights. Nobody was able to stand with Rumble at 205 with any success.

Since this thread is asking for head-to-head analysis and you seem to be arguing that Tyron is more dangerous than Rumble, do you really think Maia would have survived standing with Johnson like he did with Tyron? Would Rory Macdonald have been able to pressure Rumble into the fence, pick him apart and neutralise his offense? No, Rumble would obviously have completely blown him out of the cage worse than Moose did. How about Tyron against Rumble's opponents? Do you seriously think Woodley could beat Gus or Bader?

 

[thobra]

Bj was competitive vs a world class Machida at HW. I don’t know how much different it would be if BJ was 155 for that fight. Probably not so much, since the weight was mostly due to BJ being lazy, because he could.

 

[Buff]

Actually now that you say that, that reminds me of Melvin Manhoef vs. Mark Hunt. Insane power / speed.

Beat me to it.

 

[Toco]

I genuinely believe Woodley would beat DC

Romero and Mousasi at middleweight, i think that’s about it

are you fucking serious. no wonder you're a mcgregor fan

 

[Towerworld]

BW’s like cejudo or dilishaw could beat bum Hw’s like Hardy.
FW’s like aldo could beat top 15 HW’s
LW’s like Ferguson or Khabib get really big out of camp they could bulk up to be over 200 pounds and beat maybe fringe top 10 HW’s. WW’s could beat top 5 HW’s conceivably. Top middleweights like moose, yoel, adasenya, whittaker could beat any HW possibly.

 

[Thenewguysnm1]

are you fucking serious. no wonder you're a mcgregor fan

What does me being a McGregor fan have to do with anything?

 

[Toco]

What does me being a McGregor fan have to do with anything?

so you're most likely to be stupid?

 

[Thenewguysnm1]

so you're most likely to be stupid?

How does me liking a good fighter who has never had a boring fight make me “most likely stupid”?

 

[po_thead]

MW . See Melvin v Hunto

 

[YouCrazyIntheHeadMan]

You need to be at least 195-200 in my opinion. I think around those weight the différence in weight matter less because you should have enough Power to knock out anyone

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

No one in the light weight classes could beat Cormier, no way. However there are some really bad HW's like Anthony Hamilton and Cyril Asker and Mark Godbeer in UFC, they are all so awful, I'm sure some MW's would beat them

 

[Toco]

How does me liking a good fighter who has never had a boring fight make me “most likely stupid”?

because it seems like you guys are more special. example, you just said woodley could be HW champ