Lets talk chimpanzees vs humans

Stop peddling this bro-science, brah.

This is a decent read, backed with research:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/chimpanzees-humans-sizing-strength/story?id=16696826

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This beast, armed with razor sharp teeth which can tear you from limb to limb, is going to start biting your balls off, pulling off your ears, poking your eyes - the moment it gets its hands on you.

Chimp wins 19 times out of 20.

Professor Cigano, OUT.


20/20
 
Ok finally something sensible. I have no trouble admitting that in certain areas of strength display, a chimp MIGHT be twice as strong as an AVERAGE human.

But our strongest lifters completely blow them out of the water, it's not even going to be remotely close.





Ok so going by what I just stated above, it still does nothing for the chimp in a fight aside from its fangs.

Their body types aren't built/evolved for it, they have too little muscle control and they have no skill.

Oh so he gets a hold of the fighter's arm? Eat a knee with all that lbs of force(I don't have the stats at hand from that NG show) behind it. Or get thrown around. The fighter could easily hold the chimps head to the ground and stomp it's skull in with knees a la Coleman-Igor. This is ridiculous.

Thank you for reading the post and taking the time to actually look at data and facts rather than rumors and what you heard as a kid.

I cut a few things out of your post that I wanted to comment on. People forget to use the "pound for pound" caveat when talking about "4 times as strong". Yes a 75 pound chimp might as 4x as strong as a 75 human but there aren't many 75 pound grown men. I'd say the average chimp (90) is twice as strong as the average human male (say 180 for arguments sake) - But like you said, once you get into a 275 pound man vs a 90 pound chimp the chimp isn't 4 times or even 2 times as strong IMO.

The other key thing you pointed out was the lack of control and skill. I don't remember which article mentioned it but it basically said something similar about control. They do have longer and stronger skeletal muscles but they lack control. It's either all or nothing or they just are a bit uncoordinated during certain motions.

Granted I wouldn't want to fight a chimp b/c they are mean and have sharp teeth. But I don't buy the myth that a chimp would beat up a MMA HW with ease.

A silverback gorilla on the other hand...
 
I've been mauled by a pitbull. I much rather fight an MMA guy than go through that again.

Please tell me you were at least able to use your MMA skills on the pitbull and submit him.
 
i remember a story a sherbro told in an other chimp v man thread. I recalled when the duked it out with a chimp, who at previous times was friendly to him. Apparently the chimp felt challenged and attacked the dude, cutting him up pretty bad. The dude managed to get in some good shots on the chimp, i think including connecting with a head butt. After a while the chimp accepted the bro as equal and left a stalemate. Bloodied up, the dude told his friend what happened, and his friend just shrugged it off, while the chimp ate cereal and watched tv.

I Hope that guy is around to re-share the story.
 
i remember a story a sherbro told in an other chimp v man thread. I recalled when the duked it out with a chimp, who at previous times was friendly to him. Apparently the chimp felt challenged and attacked the dude, cutting him up pretty bad. The dude managed to get in some good shots on the chimp, i think including connecting with a head butt. After a while the chimp accepted the bro as equal and left a stalemate. Bloodied up, the dude told his friend what happened, and his friend just shrugged it off, while the chimp ate cereal and watched tv.

I Hope that guy is around to re-share the story.

"He went to the ER, while I ate cereal & watched TV". - Talking Chimp
 
Fuck those hairy little shits. They're a threat and of little to no use to us. Sorry you missed the tool-making and language train when it left 30,000 years ago, Dr Zaius, but it's our time until James Franco's virus hits.

Build the moat! (They can climb but can't swim worth shit due to negative buoyancy.) And fuck the government's that give them human rights. Anybody gonna give me the chimp rights to lumber around naked and eat termites? Didn't think so.
 
Please tell me you were at least able to use your MMA skills on the pitbull and submit him.

LOL, I know BJJ not "MMA".
Man, it grabbed the lower part of my shin with such pressure. I was down, and he could drag me. All I could do was flex my entire body to punch him and, don't ask me why, try to open his mouth with my hands: don't ever try that.
 
An average chimp will always be stronger than an average human. Their tendons and muscle connections are genetically different than ours to allow more explosiveness and brute strength. Humans evolved to have more fine motor skills to manipulate tools. Cant have the chimps musculoskeletal design for that as its a waste in efficiency.

Are they 10x stronger? No but 1.5-2x as strong for an animal half your size is pretty remarkable. Maybe if you compared them to strongmen the strongmen might be stronger through certain planes but that is an acquired skill not by default.
 
An average chimp will always be stronger than an average human. Their tendons and muscle connections are genetically different than ours to allow more explosiveness and brute strength.

For tree climbing/swinging.

Not for functional explosiveness and brute strength in general.

Their abilities are too one dimensional compared to humans.

It's like saying a boxer is a better fighter than an MMA fighter because he can punch better.

Humans evolved to have more fine motor skills to manipulate tools. Cant have the chimps musculoskeletal design for that as its a waste in efficiency.
Are they 10x stronger? No but 1.5-2x as strong for an animal half your size is pretty remarkable. Maybe if you compared them to strongmen the strongmen might be stronger through certain planes but that is an acquired skill not by default.

You have this completely backwards, the strongmen have the body types to completely dominate chimps in every single strength category you can think of except for bodyweight pull ups.

Also I knew plenty of big guys who were naturally strong as hell due to their built so that's not just an acquired skill. Also, chimps walk on their knuckles and swing/climb around for most of the day their entire lives. Give a chimp an office job so he sits on his ass all day like the average joe and this would change things as well.
 
Brute strength is not the norm for humans. How many people are strongmen? Very few.

It is the norm for chimps.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_(chimpanzee)
'grievously mauled her, blinding her while severing her nose, ears, and both hands, and severely lacerating her face'

some nasty pics in the link inside

Right... but they were eaten off, not ripped off. Also, a hand isn't a limb, it's an appendage.

It might be being picky, but chimps don't just rip arms and legs off people. They aren't that strong.
 
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im actually with OP here. I would rekt a chimp 1 v 1 no worries. once he gets close enough i would touch him with teh jab then fill the room with uppercuts
 
Says the treehugging chimp supporter. Show me evidence of the guy in the video being extremely injured like you claim.

Which still wouldn't prove much because the whole point of the thread is not average human vs chimp but top tier humans vs chimps.

Do you know the world of difference between a HW mixed martial artist and Chris who works downtown in an office? Gigantic.

Lets stop fooling ourselves with unimpressive displays from chimps against terrified joe's and middle aged women.



That's adorable.

Unfortunately anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

Uhm, the freaking narrator says his hands and fingers were mangled and he received serious neck lacerations, in the video you posted in the OP!

Do you even watch the video you posted, you gotta be trolling at this point.

Listen, humans are not small animals, we're 200 pound animal with brains, we can possibly kill a stronger/tougher animal thats fairly close to our size range, the chances of this happening are very very small though. Can a human kill a chimp with his bare hands? Yes its within the realm of possibility but such a rare occurence its barely worth mentioning.

Even for a skilled heavyweight fighter, a fight against an enraged male adult chimp would likely end in serious injuries or even death.
 
No, I don't think we agree muchl. Plus, my advice stays put: the HW should enter that cage with a rifle. The chimp is dangerous for him.

I disagree with your interpretation of the video: it's anecdotal evidence of nothing. The man is there to feed them and so on, and the chimps are being unpredictable chimps. You cannot judge "strength" from that video, precisely because you cannot judge what the chimps were doing. Behaviour specialists would disagree on what went on there.

The "strongmen" competitions you mentioned, and most human-based physical stunts you propose are designed for the human anatomy. Bears, tigers and sharks would also not be capable of lifting these weights and so on. All these animals would kill and if hungry, consume the flesh of any human. Nature allows for many forms of attacks to be effective.

Change the "drill". Humans cannot do "chimp activities" as effectively. We need ropes and safety nets, and the speed up tree trunks like we walk around. That's their "normal", which partially explains their disproportionate arms.

You expect the animal that evolved for a different way of life to perform in a "human way" in a "fight"? They won't, they cannot. It does not matter how strong their legs or whatever are. The danger for your fighter is precisely that it is a wild animal that will defend itself with extreme speed and strength. It's unpredictable, it's not a fight: it's a risk for the physical integrity of the fighter. A lot of "human combat" is based on knocking the opponent out, which correlates to how our brains sit inside our skulls. Other animals do not have the same skull anatomy: there is no guarantee our approach is useful at all. Then what? Hold them down and hurt them and so on? Well, it's animal cruelty and so on, but the animal in consideration, a chimp, can maul someone's face with it's hands. So you put a glove on the chimp to avoid that? Then stop the exercise, the whole thing makes no sense.

Then again, why are you mismatching the weight category? Take a young gorilla that weighs the same as the HW. Your fight isn't fair.

Animals can be dangerous. They are also dangerous to HW champions.

I already said this: a real chimp can be scared of a normal sized human and just run away. But it can also go "ape-shit" and really hurt a HW champ. They are completely unpredictable.

None of what you said any damn thing about the actual physical strength of a chimp.. I want numbers, not babble.
 
These Giant chimps look insanely powerful, 250lbs. I wonder how they would match up against other apes and predators around the same size.

 
Humans and chimps have different weapons. They use their teeth and muscles, we use our brains. If a chimp can use its teeth then a human can make a makeshift spear/club in about 30 seconds in the wild and skewer the chimp like a shish kabob.

It's like saying a Great White can demolish a man in the ocean, but on land even an 8 year old with a stick or rock can easily kill a Great White. Why completely disarm the offensive tools of one combatant but not the other?
 
For those who haven't seen the after pics of the woman you make reference to.

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Any man woman or child going up against an angry chimp will come away with similar injuries.

Dem apes don't fight fair and can fight for a long time.

This is crazy.

I heard that she also suffered injuries to her arms, is that right?
 
then go search for it.

I did, and 2x -4x is the numbers I keep seeing. They attribute this to the fact that Chimp muscle is more dense in a given area then ours, and that they have less control..
 
I did, and 2x -4x is the numbers I keep seeing. They attribute this to the fact that Chimp muscle is more dense in a given area then ours, and that they have less control..

The reason I didn't quote numbers is because they are all "controversial" and difficult to obtain.

A recent study with Bonobos showed that their muscle output was twice the expected for factors that cannot be explained by cross-section, anatomy and so on: so, it can be the muscle tissue itself is different.

"This was twice the output expected on the basis of muscle mass specific work and power in other jumping animals but seems physiologically possible. We suggest that the difference is due to a higher specific force (force per unit of cross-sectional area) in the bonobo."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1635523/

note that their "suggestion" is tautological: "the difference is due to a higher strength" - well, yeah, that was the measurement itself, not the mechanism.

Why this matters? There are muscle dystrophies that affect humans that can, maybe, be treated with gene therapies that bring aspects of muscle "health" from other primates of healthy humans.
 
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