Elections LBGT rights is Joe Biden's #1 legislative priority

[Fawlty]

I'm contending that the backlash from women is just starting - like a drop of rain.

But, it gets a little stronger every day. And once confused little boys start taking scholarships in large numbers from little girls it will turn into a wave.

I suppose I'll keep following the trends in data, and you'll keep making weather predictions.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

You choose to hunt. Just like you choose to be vegan.

You don't choose to be homosexual.

The line is already drawn at "immutable characteristic."

Traditionally a homosexual has been defined as someone who has sex with members of the same gender. As long as a person 'stays in the closet' he wouldn't be discriminated against. I would fully support prohibiting employers from asking who an employee is attracted to. Don't ask, don't tell.

 

[NoDak]

I'm contending that the backlash from women is just starting - like a drop of rain.

The backlash towards M2F trans people from lesbians started since forever, even more fury towards them than bisexual chicks. They're vodka and milk (both icky).

Are there real people who actually eat this shit up???

No.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

We can take all of the warp out of it by noting that it's legal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, as the bottom line in this country. Most states, and the federal government, have sought to rectify this, variously with piecemeal or wholesale legislation, and that is to be commended, but the floor is still lower for the gays.

what rights do gay people not have?

 

[Fawlty]

what rights do gay people not have?

It's federally legal to discriminate against people for their sexual orientation. Many states have laws about this, many do not. This lack of protection disproportionately affects LGB people, and further discrimination on sexual identity over-affects trans people. For the victims of this discrimination, it's not unlike being discriminated against for your race, gender, age, etc.

btw, that was a retarded question. You ask lots of those.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

It's federally legal to discriminate against people for their sexual orientation. Many states have laws about this, many do not. This lack of protection disproportionately affects LGB people, and further discrimination on sexual identity over-affects trans people. For the victims of this discrimination, it's not unlike being discriminated against for your race, gender, age, etc.

btw, that was a retarded question. You ask lots of those.

So basically they have all the same rights, but need more than the rest of us just because. K

 

[Fawlty]

So basically they have all the same rights, but need more than the rest of us just because. K

No, that's what a real moron might say. Or, did say, just now.

If the law is that it's legal to discriminate based on race, then while technically true that people have the same rights on paper, the reality is obviously different. This is why it's illegal to discriminate based on race. And then, not only do people have the same rights on paper, they have the same rights in reality.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

No, that's what a real moron might say. Or, did say, just now.

If the law is that it's legal to discriminate based on race, then while technically true that people have the same rights on paper, the reality is obviously different. This is why it's illegal to discriminate based on race. And then, not only do people have the same rights on paper, they have the same rights in reality.

again you have nothing to offer. LGBT community has all the same rights as the rest of us. Also you are a very unfunny individual.

 

[Fawlty]

again you have nothing to offer. LGBT community has all the same rights as the rest of us. Also you are a very unfunny individual.

You can't argue against what I said, though, and that will hopefully be what sticks for you, that you were unable to reply to the argument. And I don't expect you to. Hell, it's mostly my fault for responding to the dregs of the forum, the real nonthinking types who need to be educated about such rudimentary things.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

You can't argue against what I said, though, and that will hopefully be what sticks for you, that you were unable to reply to the argument. And I don't expect you to. Hell, it's mostly my fault for responding to the dregs of the forum, the real nonthinking types who need to be educated about such rudimentary things.

you didn't have an argument. you just called me names just for disagreeing with you.

 

[NoDak]

So basically they have all the same rights, but need more than the rest of us just because. K

No, if sexual orientation becomes a protected class (race, color, religion, sex, national origin) then it includes discrimination based on heterosexuality. It's a technical misnomer to call them "LGB rights" and gives the wrong impression.

 

[hillelslovak87]

you didn't have an argument. you just called me names just for disagreeing with you.

Given the federal government's prominence over the affairs of States, what he is clearly saying is that while some states have laws banning discriminatory practices against LGBT people, many still do not, and on top of that it's federally legal to discriminate against these people.

Rather easy to understand, at least it was for me reading his post.

 

[Amerikuracana]

No, if sexual orientation becomes a protected class (race, color, religion, sex, national origin) then it includes discrimination based on heterosexuality. It's a technical misnomer to call them "LGB rights" and gives the wrong impression.

But That's how it will be used.. Because the women on the jury will roll their eyes at the hetero male who was fired because somebody didn't like him (discriminated against him for something not work related) and will strike down the attempt to obtain the extra rights all those victims of white males have.

 

[Amerikuracana]

again you have nothing to offer. LGBT community has all the same rights as the rest of us. Also you are a very unfunny individual.

Right. It needs to be harder to fire them than you. I mean, the known reality is that gays are already treated great in corporate America, but they need that extra layer of "You can't be rude to me, or undermine me." There's only one group it's going to be safe to fire because you don't like them; safe to harass; safe to undermine. Who are all the professional assholes out there going to target?? Hmm...

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Right. It needs to be harder to fire them than you. I mean, the known reality is that gays are already treated great in corporate America, but they need that extra layer of "You can't be rude to me, or undermine me." There's only one group it's going to be safe to fire because you don't like them; safe to harass; safe to undermine. Who are all the professional assholes out there going to target?? Hmm...

Do we? we know that conditions have improved and are better than some other countries but I would guess it wouldn't take much digging to find cases of people making claims of discrimination based on sexual persuasion still.

Really though if your talking about what a Dem candidate really needs to do I think you need to focus on offering something to everyone, such social issues have a place but not to the exclusion of economic ones. That's really what most voters ask, whats in it for me/my family/close community?

Whilst I think a lot of it was highly questionable that's really what Trump built his success on IMHO, offering lots of different groups what they wanted to hear. People tend to focus on what they like and ignore what they don't.

The obvious mistake the Dem's made in 2016 was looking at basic polling numbers across the country not looking at them on a state level, winning Newyork or Cali by a few extra percentage points or losing Texas by a few less doesn't help much.

 

[ferrisjso]

And this is the issue, using social issues which aren't supposed to have anything to do with politics and are supposed to be starters for being decent humans and using it to mask almost the same economic policy as the other side.

Tbh country's so fucked up so many crisis's if you gave the LGBT community this poll, it'd probably do better than 1.6 percent and all but I'd be surprised if it came close to winning.

 

[NoDak]

But That's how it will be used.. Because the women on the jury will roll their eyes at the hetero male who was fired because somebody didn't like him (discriminated against him for something not work related) and will strike down the attempt to obtain the extra rights all those victims of white males have.

I don't know. I tend to block out the sociopolitical environment of my university where a lot of the rhetoric that dominates so many thread topics on here emanates, don't spend a lot of time on campus and work in the industrial sector.

Nobody gives a fuck or pays attention to this stuff, everything is simply down to performance and experience. I don't think I could deal with a prototypical corporate office environment and its politics; I need a workshop, job site or laboratory.

 

[NoDak]

Tbh country's so fucked up so many crisis's if you gave the LGBT community this poll, it'd probably do better than 1.6 percent and all but I'd be surprised if it came close to winning.

About half of it is virtually invisible but yeah, not close.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Those sound like the words of a man who really doesn't want the job or is too disconnected to deserve it.

 

[ElKarlo]

Dude is pulling a Hillary. thinks the DNC is all powerful and will make it all happen. Trump went on diet pills to do his campaigning. Hillary, Trump and Biden are all old and probably don't have a lot of energy.