Elections LBGT rights is Joe Biden's #1 legislative priority

[Lawless People]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...3mC-8ovha4wkE5YfO7RamEfdW5zgfmCkQRT3hRCIanmTE

So if you didn't think campaign donations from special interests had a direct impact on the legislation agenda of politicians, here ya go.

This is the most ugly, dishonest, disingenuous pandering I've ever seen. Just like Hillary didn't support gay marriage when she was still being 1/10th the human being she was raised to be, I'm sure Biden had the same line of thinking at the same time; but since I haven't researched it, I'll give somebody the chance to prove he has always been thee champion for celebrated sodemy.

The gay people I know are doing fine. They are treated well at work. The ones I know who aren't doing fine, all do a ton of hard drugs. I've considered faking being gay in interviews to get a better job. To act like their agenda, which most can see will advance forward no matter how accepting society becomes, is the most important issue America needs to address, is INSANE. The overcorrection once the people wrestle power away from their media is going to be ugly.

Anyways, politicians becoming totally different people than they are to pander is just grosser than gross. I'll take the guy that sounds dumb 20% of the time, but speaks from his real self more than 50% of the time, over this version of old Joe Biden any day.

For the poll, I may have missed a big issue, so sorry if I did. Pick up to 5.

Wow, just 4% of americans are gay. Awesome!

That top quote is really unbelievable <Lmaoo> "as we fight for equality"

Are there real people who actually eat this shit up???

Biden is the same piece of shit that said republicans would put blacks back in chains when REPUBLICANS LITERALLY FREED BLACKS FROM SLAVERY.

 

[Fawlty]

Again, an "overwhelming majority" where supposedly in favor of ssm when it was constantly being voted down by liberal ststes in referendum after referendum.

If you want to go all the way back to the Prop 8 era and all that garbage, you can see that Americans were on the fence and slightly opposed. Go back even earlier, and we were strongly opposed. But the reality is that support for SSM steadily increased, and by the time of Obergefell v. Hodges, it had flipped. I'm not going to do the legwork on that, but there's a very good Wikipedia timeline.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

If you want to go all the way back to the Prop 8 era and all that garbage, you can see that Americans were on the fence and slightly opposed. Go back even earlier, and we were strongly opposed. But the reality is that support for SSM steadily increased, and by the time of Obergefell v. Hodges, it had flipped. I'm not going to do the legwork on that, but there's a very good Wikipedia timeline.

Thats interesting, but doesnt address actual votes. For instance Washington supposedly favored allowing ssm by 14 , 15, 17.5, to 19 points based on various polls the entire year polling leading up to their last referendum in 2012.

Despite a year of convincing the public that the magority wanted it and they'd be on the right side of history, etc... the referendum passed by just under 7 points.

 

[Trotsky]

This is a pretty right-skewed set of choices.

My priorities:

1. Campaign finance reform
2. Ballot access and voting rights (including for US territories)
3. Progressive income and estate taxation
4. Ending gerrymandering
5. Path to citizenship
6. Union rights
7. Universal healthcare

 

[Amerikuracana]

This is a pretty right-skewed set of choices.

My priorities:

1. Campaign finance reform
2. Ballot access and voting rights (including for US territories)
3. Progressive income and estate taxation
4. Ending gerrymandering
5. Path to citizenship
6. Union rights
7. Universal healthcare

Campaign finance reform.. There's another. "Union rights" could be under the umbrella of "workers rights" if the mods could help with a legitimate poll.

 

[Fawlty]

Thats interesting, but doesnt address actual votes. For instance Washington supposedly favored allowing ssm by 14 , 15, 17.5, to 19 points based on various polls the entire year polling leading up to their last referendum in 2012.

Despite a year of convincing the public that the magority wanted it and they'd be on the right side of history, etc... the referendum passed by just under 7 points.

I won't argue that people weren't slow to come around, and I won't argue against the fact that votes trailed opinion. That's important to point out, because it means that 60% approval may not really be the mandate it would appear to be, in my opinion due to people's tendency to resist change when it's time to make the decision. All of that is sensible, but LGBT rights have tracked favorably and continue to gain support, and have been doing so for at least 30 years, steadily. We're just about at the tipping point for something like the Equality Act, and it's not surprising that it has passed the House and may soon pass the Senate as opposition becomes less popular. Or there may be a watershed event similar to Obergefell v. Hodges.

 

[Amerikuracana]

This is a pretty right-skewed set of choices.

My priorities:

1. Campaign finance reform
2. Ballot access and voting rights (including for US territories)
3. Progressive income and estate taxation
4. Ending gerrymandering
5. Path to citizenship
6. Union rights
7. Universal healthcare

Also, you just tried to come up with crap that wasn't on the list.. Yeah, estate taxation is ahead of everything on the list. Nice try.

 

[Reactionary Corporatist]

This is a pretty right-skewed set of choices.

My priorities:

1. Campaign finance reform
2. Ballot access and voting rights (including for US territories)
3. Progressive income and estate taxation
4. Ending gerrymandering
5. Path to citizenship
6. Union rights
7. Universal healthcare

I'm quite shocked at your list here Trotsky. For me, enacting first world tier social programs and ending imperialism/the military industrial complex, along with campaign finance reform, are top 3. Really surprised you would leave out the trillion dollar/year military state and wars of aggression.

 

[Madmick]

That's not a fair take. It's like you are ignoring how stodgy Democrats came around, en masse, on gay rights not long ago. A big reason for that was seeing the effects of the Bush administration's Defense of Marriage crap. It sparked a strong movement and Biden was convinced to change his mind pretty early in that. Happened to him, Obama, Clinton, my uncle, etc. Huge numbers of people came around on this at about the same time. It was a big priority for him then, too.

It's a completely fair take even I (apparently) disagree with TS about gay marriage.

This is fucking absurd. More identity politics pandering to the peons. It's becoming the party of stupid. This isn't a Top 25 legislative issue. It's a joke. Biden just made himself a joke with this pathetic attempt to deflate Buttgieg's rapidly rising grassroots balloon.

 

[Fawlty]

My priorities:

1. Campaign finance reform
2. Ballot access and voting rights (including for US territories)
3. Progressive income and estate taxation

What do you think accounts for our differences in priorities?

Me:

1. Healthcare
2. Infrastructure
3. Gerrymandering (though this is really a catch-all for voting rights, if I'm being honest- I just want gerrymandering to take point)

Obviously, you favor more direct action toward restoring the electorate and increasing its power with the first two priorities, while I'm leading with two big-ticket popular items that will require major tax reform, but I don't have tax reform toward the top, preferring that reform to be driven by the desire for healthcare and not drinking poison. I don't really put much detailed thought into my approach.

 

[Trotsky]

Also, you just tried to come up with crap that wasn't on the list.. Yeah, estate taxation is ahead of everything on the list. Nice try.

Actually, I just copied my answers from this post yesterday. Just yikes at your persecution complex.

1. Make the Senate a proportionally representative house (50% Republican votes, 40% Democrats, 10% Green Party = 50 Republicans, 40 Democrats, 10 Green Party); redistrict the House of Representatives using computerized community, demographic, and political data;
2. Election Day holiday; automatic voter registration;
3. Immediate path to citizenship for all undocumented immigrants, complete with registration fees, nominal fines;
4. Mandatory 10 year minimums for corruption by politicians, prosecutors, and police
5. More highly progressive income tax and 90% estate tax after $5 million
6. Immediate cancelation of all outstanding sanctions; reparations to several foreign countries including Laos, Cambodia, El Salvador, Cuba, and Iran.
7. Closed shop union rights to all workplaces and industries that unionize
8. 8-year lobbying bans on all outgoing members of Congress
9. Mandatory consumer grades on all products related to the company's working conditions, pay equity, and transparency
10. Bans on all campaign giving and issue advocacy by for-profit entities and rigid $50,000 expenditure limits for all private citizens

I'm quite shocked at your list here Trotsky. For me, enacting first world tier social programs and ending imperialism/the military industrial complex, along with campaign finance reform, are top 3. Really surprised you would leave out the trillion dollar/year military state and wars of aggression.

That's not really something for a legislative agenda.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I won't argue that people weren't slow to come around, and I won't argue against the fact that votes trailed opinion. That's important to point out, because it means that 60% approval may not really be the mandate it would appear to be, in my opinion due to people's tendency to resist change when it's time to make the decision. All of that is sensible, but LGBT rights have tracked favorably and continue to gain support, and have been doing so for at least 30 years, steadily. We're just about at the tipping point for something like the Equality Act, and it's not surprising that it has passed the House and may soon pass the Senate as opposition becomes less popular. Or there may be a watershed event similar to Obergefell v. Hodges.

Generally, I think people support LGBT equality, but understand that equality is in the eye of the beholder.

Also , I believe your watershed is happening all around you. Female athletes are starting to realize that they have no chance of competing against biological men and that is houng to cause a pushback on this equality bill as its written now.

 

[ocfightfan]

The right to spread sexually transmitted diseases is his top priority.

 

[xcvbn]

It's sad that in the US to get an elected official who wants to strengthen the safety net and take action against climate change, it comes with the strings attached of catering to the delusions of less than 1 percent of the population.

It's by design so that none of the actual important issues ever get addressed, because the establishment is hung up "arguing" over shit like trannies and abortions.

 

[Fawlty]

It's a completely fair take even I (apparently) disagree with TS about gay marriage.

This is fucking absurd. More identity politics pandering to the peons. It's becoming the party of stupid. This isn't a Top 25 legislative issue. It's a joke. Biden just made himself a joke with this pathetic attempt to deflate Buttgieg's rapidly rising grassroots balloon.

I'm okay with it helping a different flavor of moderate like Buttigieg, who I think has a shot at changing how we approach progressive ideas for the better (and prefer to Biden by miles), but I think you're underestimating how deeply people on the political left are offended at there being potentially second-class citizens in our country. It's a total non-starter for the entire party, and therefore a valid priority.

 

[Madmick]

I'm okay with it helping a different flavor of moderate like Buttigieg, who I think has a shot at changing how we approach progressive ideas for the better (and prefer to Biden by miles), but I think you're underestimating how deeply people on the political left are offended at there being potentially second-class citizens in our country. It's a total non-starter for the entire party, and therefore a valid priority.

I'm not underestimating it. I'm mocking them and their ridiculous, warped perception.

 

[xcvbn]

Healthcare public option
Drastically reduce the Pentagon budget
Rebuild the crumbling frastructure
World leader in clean energy

but none of these happen without:

Decentralizing media

 

[Fawlty]

I'm not underestimating it. I'm mocking them and their ridiculous, warped perception.

We can take all of the warp out of it by noting that it's legal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, as the bottom line in this country. Most states, and the federal government, have sought to rectify this, variously with piecemeal or wholesale legislation, and that is to be commended, but the floor is still lower for the gays.

 

[Madmick]

We can take all of the warp out of it by noting that it's legal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, as the bottom line in this country. Most states, and the federal government, have sought to rectify this, variously with piecemeal or wholesale legislation, and that is to be commended, but the floor is still lower for the gays.

Anyone who prioritizes LGBT legislation is an imbecile that needs to be kept as far from the White House as possible. Even Sherdog understands that as is evident in the poll.

Joe still has time to snap out of it.

 

[Fawlty]

Generally, I think people support LGBT equality, but understand that equality is in the eye of the beholder.

Also , I believe your watershed is happening all around you. Female athletes are starting to realize that they have no chance of competing against biological men and that is houng to cause a pushback on this equality bill as its written now.

Equality is more in the eye of basic observations about discrimination and stuff, I think.

The trans-Title IX stuff is a messy issue and there is no solution that can make everyone happy, and yeah we have to figure that out and make some tough calls. But I don't believe that it's causing a pushback, because that's not a supported claim. To me that sounds a lot like the claim that Democrats being frivolous with investigations is hurting them and helping Republicans. A quaint thought, but not borne out by the data.