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Single stick in Krav Maga and Kali is nothing like a baseball bat.
Single stick in Krav Maga and Kali is nothing like a baseball bat.
Someone comes at with you an escrima stick, walking cane, or baseball bat you should be thinking about crashing in if you get the chance, running away otherwise. You arent going to be fighting them at range.
If you have a defensive technique that only works against baseball bats, share it, we'll try it out and drill it. Like I said, no emotional attachment to past techniques if there are better ones.
I don't have a problem with a defined baseball bat move, but a lot of people who do Kali think they are training for a bat when really they are training to dodge something about six inches shorter. The retrada works a whole lot differently when the tip of the bat and the sweet stop are a few inches further apart.
Beyond that, crashing a baseball bat is much harder because the swing, even done right, will carry more energy than the student is used to and so they are likely to get knocked back and hurt by it because they are too soft from all the single stick polite auto stopping on blocks.
I believe in baseball bat defense completely if it is the right move, but nothing done with a Kali stick is it.
It's not used for pulling though it's for pushing. Think of it more like a pitchfork and the thumb is one of the prongs, the fingers the other prong and you have the opponents arm in between.
Yeah exactly, like how Disciplus describes. James Mcsweeney shows it here just with different entry at 5:30
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It's not used for pulling though it's for pushing. Think of it more like a pitchfork and the thumb is one of the prongs, the fingers the other prong and you have the opponents arm in between.
Yeah exactly, like how Disciplus describes. James Mcsweeney shows it here just with different entry at 5:30
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Which ones troubling you summer?
If your pushing against the top of somebody's head and pulling on their arms, you can generate a lot of leverage. I've never used the first one but it looks legit, the last one I use a lot.
As for pushing somebody over with one hand, if I catch somebody right I can bend them with a shoulder roll, that's just using my neck and shoulder.
Give them a try and see how you get on.
See the thing is, you can't let the guy establish control, as soon as he pulls your head down the first move won't work anymore. You have to use this the second you feel the double collar attach. The guys also not going to bend in two like the demonstration. His head will come down and across some, but not all the way over.Yeah, I plan on giving them a try. The only ones I ever use are the big, gross motor ones: crossface and pummel, push their head down for top position, and posture up and run them to the wall or body lock. I've always wanted to learn some of these kinds of counters but I've never been able to make them work well.
Sense you guys think this video is good, I'll see if I can use them tomorrow night.
That last sweep looks really cool.
I was more worried about the earlier ones like at 2:44.
Thanks
See the thing is, you can't let the guy establish control, as soon as he pulls your head down the first move won't work anymore. You have to use this the second you feel the double collar attach. The guys also not going to bend in two like the demonstration. His head will come down and across some, but not all the way over.
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Let's just say that if you have sparring experience (dodging strikes, takedowns, groundwork, basically MMA or even just striking or jj) then adding Krav Maga to your arsenal is very helpful via knowledge of fighting dirty.
Besides, the gun disarms and stuff aren't for when you're being robbed and stuff so you can do that. It's for when he wants to kill you and it is a last ditch effort to survive.
I agree with your first point, but I think the "dirty fighting" is overblown a bit. Anyone can fight dirty. I think the bigger advantage is training from disadvantaged positions. Most of the Krav guys I have trained with have backgrounds in other arts.
And yes, I get what the gun disarms are for. I just think that the time can be more wisely spent on other stuff, but I get it. I think the knife/stick/bat defense stuff is pretty good.
True, dirty fighting is over blown but only to martial artists. Of all the fights you see (real life or video) you pretty much only see guys trying to sucker punch each other in the face. These are untrained people. You rarely or never see guys going finger breaks eye gouge or groin shots. All they care about is blasting the head.
If you're trained, you're trained to do what you do. That's a pretty unpopular point around sherdog but I agree with it. If you do MMA, you're not looking for the occasional nut shot, you look for take down or control or to knock out. If you're untrained you'd have so much adrenaline running through you, you won't know what to do.
I personally have only been in two fights and both were broken up. When I was untrained, some guy who knew wushu tried to kick me in the head and I retaliated by grabbing his leg and punched him in the stomach and then we both rolled to the ground before being separated. I wasn't thinking about eye gouging or groin shots and neither was he. Another one I had a punch to my face after talking shit (my wrong doing) and I staggered then I took him down after a couple of BJJ classes. We were separated before any more punches were thrown. Once again I was going to punch him in the head and he already punched me in the head. When adrenaline rolls, all you care about is punching that guy in the head. But then again, it may only be me. I'm sure more trained people will be able to see it coming and attack calmly.
I'm not saying NO one ever thinks about it, but statistics don't lie. Go watch real street fights and see how many eye gouges or groin shots are used. 1 out of 5 at most. And that one guy probably really knows what he's doing or he's really damn calm.
All I'm saying is, trained people over blow the whole dirty tactics thing but you still don't see the extremes during a fight.
True, dirty fighting is over blown but only to martial artists. Of all the fights you see (real life or video) you pretty much only see guys trying to sucker punch each other in the face. These are untrained people. You rarely or never see guys going finger breaks eye gouge or groin shots. All they care about is blasting the head.
If you're trained, you're trained to do what you do. That's a pretty unpopular point around sherdog but I agree with it. If you do MMA, you're not looking for the occasional nut shot, you look for take down or control or to knock out. If you're untrained you'd have so much adrenaline running through you, you won't know what to do.
I personally have only been in two fights and both were broken up. When I was untrained, some guy who knew wushu tried to kick me in the head and I retaliated by grabbing his leg and punched him in the stomach and then we both rolled to the ground before being separated. I wasn't thinking about eye gouging or groin shots and neither was he. Another one I had a punch to my face after talking shit (my wrong doing) and I staggered then I took him down after a couple of BJJ classes. We were separated before any more punches were thrown. Once again I was going to punch him in the head and he already punched me in the head. When adrenaline rolls, all you care about is punching that guy in the head. But then again, it may only be me. I'm sure more trained people will be able to see it coming and attack calmly.
I'm not saying NO one ever thinks about it, but statistics don't lie. Go watch real street fights and see how many eye gouges or groin shots are used. 1 out of 5 at most. And that one guy probably really knows what he's doing or he's really damn calm.
All I'm saying is, trained people over blow the whole dirty tactics thing but you still don't see the extremes during a fight.
Fist off, I don't think you should be eye gouging guys if we are talking about your typical dumb ass testosterone monkey dance. You're going to spend a lot of time in jail if you maim some dude because he pushed you. There are obviously situations where it's warranted (like the guy is choking you or has a weapon or something).
Yes, you need a less destructive way to deal with things.
Without real fighting skills you have to surprise the other guy with a barrage of strikes until he can't get up.
Then there is the likelihood of losing a fight to some punk with only a few months of MMA training.
Ouch.