Kindergarten teacher gets physical and grabs 6-year old's face

They should let the father of the child get 3 minutes to beat her without any consequences.

Aren't you curious as to what the student had been doing that drove the teacher to physically grab him? I doubt he was just sitting quietly working hard on his assignment when the teacher just decided to pull him out of the classroom and freak out at him.

The teacher could have handled things differently and should be suspended, but having worked in various classrooms for 10 years I can tell you that not every child is the "darling angel" people have been brainwashed to believe. As I've posted earlier, you would be shocked by the terrible things some kids are capable of. My sister was brutally bullied by a group of girls in her grade 2 class.

My guess is this, the kid is a constant, daily terror in the classroom because his parents neglected to raise him properly to respect others. If anything its the parents who should be beaten for failing to raise their child properly.

Every problem kid I worked with during my time in the schools, with the exception of kids with physical and mental disabilities, had terrible parents.
 
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In this day and age calling a parent wouldn't do any good because most parents these days think their kids are precious little angels and could never do any wrong. It's always someone else's fault.
The only thing that would come out of a teacher calling a parent would be another frivolous lawsuit that schools can't afford.

There are definitely parents who will not accept that their child is a problem. I remember there was a student, a cop's son, who was a terror. He was a horrible bully and extremely disruptive in the classroom. When the principal called his mom about his behavior, she got angry and said the teachers were liars and just picking on her son. She would just get angry and deny that her son was a problem. Obviously, he continued with his bullshit.

There are many parents who make excuses for their kids behavior and their behavior doesn't stop. On the other hand, there are parents who get extremely pissed off at their kids when they get a phone-call regarding their kids poor behavior and those kids generally get their act together pretty quickly.

The students whose parents discourage their bad behavior usually end up decent students. The students whose parents make excuses for their poor behavior generally continue to act like savages.
 
I thought the video was going to be much worse. What she was inappropriate but it wasn't as terrible as some people on the net have made out. I have no idea if or what the kid did before this, not that it justifies this, but he likely has a history of being a pain and the teacher gets little backup from admin or parents about it. Again, that doesn't justify it though.

It doesn’t say if the kid was being a little shit head or not.

However it appears to be an overreaction the way things are now but I have no idea what lead up to this. And in any case it appeared to be an overreaction no matter what the child did.

If parents and the people that run schools don’t want teachers disciplining their children then teachers should keep their hands to themselves at all times.

However other children are there to lean and a child that is not behaving is taking away the right of the other children to learn. So if a child misbehaves the teacher should not try and discipline the child but call an administrator and have the child removed from the class room. The child should be held and a parent called to pick the child up. The parent should have 2 hours (some time limit) to pick the child or child services is called to handle the child. The parent should be held responsible to make sure their child behaves and is not a disruption to the other kids.

As a former middle school teacher I can speak to the part about calling on an administrator. I'm in full agreement that something should be done about the child who is being disruptive as he/she is taking away from the education of other students. However, the solution your suggesting isn't how it goes. I wish it could be that simple. When a child is disruptive, most administrators expect the teacher to be able to control the child. Otherwise they criticize the teacher for having poor "classroom management" skills. In teacher credentialing programs they stress handling the situation in the classroom, not sending the kid out, otherwise the teacher "loses/gives up power". Most teachers I know find this philosophy idiotic because every minute you have to spend disciplining is a minute you're not teaching the subject and almost no problem student suddenly falls in line after correcting them only once. Calling an administrator or sending them to some detention room is supposed to be a last resort and if teachers do it too often they're viewed badly, even if they were given a classroom full of kids who are known to be a challenge.

Often when the child is sent to an administrator, the administrator just gives the kid a talking to and sends them back to class, even if the kid has a long history of such behavior over the years. Most administrators really seem to just want to sweep things under the rug and not cause waves with parents complaining to them or the superintendent so they often leave the teachers out to dry. This leads to a lot of frustration with teachers and encourages future poor behavior by the students who learn there will never be serious consequences for poor behavior. Teachers really aren't allowed many tools to deal with disruptive behavior and most of the ones they are told to use don't work well for all kids over the long term.

Often when administrators or teachers do call parents about a disruptive child the student's parents are apathetic or even hostile. I can't tell you how many times I've had to call a parent or have a meeting with them about a student's disruptive behavior only to be yelled at and told to stop picking on their child. Most school districts keep records of student behavior over the years and you hear it all the time from parents "The teachers are picking on my kid", even though the kid has been written up by many teachers over the years. The principals don't want to deal with it because the last thing they want is an angry parent calling the superintendent because then the superintendent often says "why can't you keep your school in line?". Give out too many detentions/suspensions or expulsions (which are nearly impossible to get in any state) and the superintendent says the same thing. It's a totally senseless situation.

So I agree that the parents should be held responsible for the student's behavior, but that's not how it goes these days. Teachers are expected to be able to do it all themselves and held responsible for doing it all despite being told exactly how they have to do it all.

Imo, what they should do is put a camera in every classroom, record everything and every time a student is disruptive the parent of every student in that class is notified. As it stands now, only the parent of the disruptive student is and that kids parents are either idiots, criminals, or in denial that "their little angel" could ever do anything wrong, so they just get angry at the teacher/principal and, as they say, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. If every students parent was notified then after a while some would get pissed and call the school asking "Why is this kid allowed to continually disrupt my child's classroom?", forcing the administrators to do more about problem students. Teachers shouldn't be expected to deal with problem students beyond a minimum level. Every school should have a discipline enforcement department that quickly takes out students who are continual problems and places them somewhere else so the kids who want to learn can learn. But this isn't going to happen because we have to "respect everyone's privacy" and some people are foolish enough to think that every student is itching to learn. These are the same clueless policymakers who, under NCLB, were calling for 100% of students to be proficient in math and science or schools, and teachers, were going to be penalized. We have similar clueless policymakers now under CC. Some people watched Stand and Deliver and Freedom Writers too many times.

Many teachers leave the profession within 5 years because they're given a lot of responsibility but little control. Administrators, who were usually poor teachers themselves with little experience, usually force teachers to teach a certain way. Then they bring in moronic overpaid consultants, who also tend to have little teaching experience, to nitpick problems and further tell the teachers how to do their job. I can't tell you how much wasted time is spent on "data teams" and an overemphasis on "collaborative learning" but if you don't do these things you get a bad review. I really enjoyed teaching and I was damn good at it. I took a lot of pride in breaking down math in ways students could understand if they'd pay a little attention. A lot of the students were sad when I left but I told them the same thing a lot of teachers who leave the field do - "I love teaching you guys, no matter your intelligence level, but I hate having to babysit the bad students." A lot of people want to become teachers to help kids learn, and a few do it for a stupid reason like they want their summers off. Ask anyone why they wanted to become a teacher though and no one ever says "I want to manage a classroom!". Now I make more money in a less stressful job.

Incidentally, for anyone who reads this, if a teacher ever calls you about your student being a discipline problem it's not the first time your child was a problem. Teachers are almost always reluctant to call parents because they try to handle the problem themselves and know that half the time they call parents they end up being the one getting chewed out. So if a teacher calls you about your kid, 90% of the time your kid is a constant problem and only tells you a version of the story that makes the teacher look bad. Deal with your kid.
 
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I've seen little kids (about 3 years old) going absolutely postal on their parents. Hitting/kicking, biting, scratching, throw things at them. Seen kids grab cell phones out of their mother's hands and throw it, the list goes on.

It blows my mind what people will allow.

(I used to work at Walmart)

lol Enough said.
 
If another student did that to a fellow classmate that student would be suspended for a longer time if not expelled. Firing and definitely criminal charges should be brought; none of us could get away with doing that do another person let alone a 6 year old.

And this is coming from a guy that in his 1st grade class, the teacher would sometimes put kids in a closet as punishment for misbehaving during class.

lol No they wouldn't. If a student did that to another student they'd either get a talking to or maybe a detention in most cases. I worked in schools for 8 years and never saw a kid get suspended or expelled for something like that. Hell, I've seen kids throw rocks and crack other students skulls, stab kids with pencils, get in half a dozen fights, come to school drunk, bring knives, sell weed at school, bully kids, etc and not get expelled. From teachers I know this is pretty common across the country. I've even seen a kid, a known gang member, blow up a water fountain with a cherry bomb at recess to top off a list of 34 prior school offenses over the years, get expelled but be allowed to come back the next year. You have no idea. If the files of all students were made open to the public, with the child's identity kept hidden, you guys would be shocked just how much shit kids are allowed to get away with and it drives teachers crazy that more isn't done about it.
 
If any teacher ever did this to my child, regardless of what action the school took, I would sue that teacher into poverty.
 
lol No they wouldn't. If a student did that to another student they'd either get a talking to or maybe a detention in most cases. I worked in schools for 8 years and never saw a kid get suspended or expelled for something like that. Hell, I've seen kids throw rocks and crack other students skulls, stab kids with pencils, get in half a dozen fights, come to school drunk, bring knives, sell weed at school, bully kids, etc and not get expelled. From teachers I know this is pretty common across the country. I've even seen a kid, a known gang member, blow up a water fountain with a cherry bomb at recess to top off a list of 34 prior school offenses over the years, get expelled but be allowed to come back the next year. You have no idea. If the files of all students were made open to the public, with the child's identity kept hidden, you guys would be shocked just how much shit kids are allowed to get away with and it drives teachers crazy that more isn't done about it.

I've been trying to make the same point in this thread and some posters have been shitting on me for it. I worked in a school for nearly 10 years as a Teacher Assistant and its absolutely disgusting what students do to each other, to teachers and somehow they consistently get away with it because they know they can. I can't count how many times I have heard students use the phrase: "What are you gunna do about it, you can't touch me." Its the thugs and bullies who rule the schools.

I think there needs to be a stricter no tolerance policies when it comes to violence in the classrooms. If kids can't behave properly in a regular classroom then they shouldn't be allowed in the class until they can demonstrate they can behave properly.

If I ever have children I don't know if I will be sending them to a public school.
 
Its interesting that there isn't more curiosity in this thread as to what the child did to spark the teachers rage. I highly doubt the kid was just sitting there quietly doing his school work when the teacher decided to take him outside of the class and go ape-shit.

I'm not saying the teacher should be hitting students, but I don't think she just snapped over nothing.

It really doesn't matter what a 6 yr old does, he can't cause serious harm. The teacher should not manhandle a 6yr old period.

This video shows NO damage whatsoever to th teacher...come on people, it's a 6 yr old being bullied and physically accosted by an adult...she should be fired and arrested.
 
I am all for discipline but this shit isn't discipline its intimidation. id have my wife beat the living shit outta her if that was my kid.
 
I bet that kid was being a little shit.

Probably shouldn't have lifted him up by his collar though. She reminds me of my third grade teacher Mrs. Chandler. What a bitch.
 
I've been trying to make the same point in this thread and some posters have been shitting on me for it. I worked in a school for nearly 10 years as a Teacher Assistant and its absolutely disgusting what students do to each other, to teachers and somehow they consistently get away with it because they know they can. I can't count how many times I have heard students use the phrase: "What are you gunna do about it, you can't touch me." Its the thugs and bullies who rule the schools.

I think there needs to be a stricter no tolerance policies when it comes to violence in the classrooms. If kids can't behave properly in a regular classroom then they shouldn't be allowed in the class until they can demonstrate they can behave properly.

If I ever have children I don't know if I will be sending them to a public school.

At least they're learning about life. I also have the same views concerning classroom violence and I hate how people just chalk it up as bullying when it's actually assault.

I went to a private christian (church of christ) school from 1st to 10th grade and I dont remember ever being treated like that by a teach. I do remember that in my last year there my biology teacher, Mrs. Dickson, taught 4 weeks about how evolution is not real. She used a video series by Ted Haggard. Now, Ted Haggard is that evangelical pastor guy who was accused by his escort and masseur, Mike Jones, that Haggard had paid him for sex for three years and had also purchased and used crystal methamphetamine. So we have this guy telling us for four weeks about how evolution was made up by the devil to test our faith and on and on and on.

Anyway, Ted Haggard is a prick, and I enjoyed attending a private school up until high school due to the incompetency and bias of many of the teachers.
 
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Aren't you curious as to what the student had been doing that drove the teacher to physically grab him? I doubt he was just sitting quietly working hard on his assignment when the teacher just decided to pull him out of the classroom and freak out at him.

The teacher could have handled things differently and should be suspended, but having worked in various classrooms for 10 years I can tell you that not every child is the "darling angel" people have been brainwashed to believe. As I've posted earlier, you would be shocked by the terrible things some kids are capable of. My sister was brutally bullied by a group of girls in her grade 2 class.

My guess is this, the kid is a constant, daily terror in the classroom because his parents neglected to raise him properly to respect others. If anything its the parents who should be beaten for failing to raise their child properly.

Every problem kid I worked with during my time in the schools, with the exception of kids with physical and mental disabilities, had terrible parents.
Ok but does that mean to put your hands on someone else's child like that? Get the kid removed or something. He could be the worst kid on earth, but the video doesn't show anything that gives her a reason to do what she did.
 
Long post...

My little guy is 6, has been diagnosed medically (2 differend md's) with 2 disablilisties and has also been diagnosed wiith speech and language disability by the schools. When he reaches his breaking point he gets aggressive both physically and verbally and will meet aggressive response with even more agression. Take a moment to read what I wrote to uderstand that he has been agressive with his parent, teachers, students, guidance counselor and head discipliine person.

He was bounced around the school district to 3 different schools (he's in kindegraten) with this behavior and placed in a variety of special ed classes. He was about to be bounced to a 4th school (after his 3rd suspension and 5+ early pickups) when we decided to retain legal represenattion. Lo and behold they find a class at his current school that had the support system in place for him. He is on his 3rd week of good behavior with only 1 physically aggressive incident. BTW, none of his physically aggressive behaviors results in bloodletting, bruising or any serious harm.

If one of his teachers was recorded like this each in the video, I would find her and beat the crap out of her. and no one would know it was me that did it.

As a side note; a special needs teacher at his school was recently suspended and arrested for slapping a 6 yr old autistic student who vocalized by screaming. Thankfully the 2 assistant teachers turned her in. As a side not 2, my son hit this student because the student was screaming at PE and upset my son.

I was raised in the 70's and have realized that corporal punishment doesn't work for everyone. It didn't work for me and doesn't work for my son. Again, it doesn't work for everyone.

I believe that what is working for my son is being in a special class with teachers and assistants that have been educated and trained on using the correct behavior to help students be successful. It's also possible that his med;s are helping him as well. BUT, without a doubt not using aggressive behavior with my son is key.

There are federal laws in place that support and grant children like my son to an education.

Hey man,

I have a lot of sympathy for your situation, I can't imagine how difficult it probably is to raise a kid like yours. And I know I'm probably going to touch a nerve here, but in light of the bolded sentence above, is it possible that your own attitude that adults that do something you consider wrong deserve to have the crap beat out of them is spilling down to milkmandan Jr's own attitude about people that he considers did something wrong?

Good luck with your son.
 
I remember getting picked up by the shirt and slammed into a wall.

I remember getting lifted off my feet by a male daycare worker from the back of my shirt when I was around 6 or 7 and was choking for several seconds hanging in the air in front of the whole group of kids. He was having a bad day I just made my friend laugh after he yelled very loudly at the whole group of kids to be silent for whatever reason. I think people were talking over him when he was trying to speak and I guess he completely snapped. I deserved punishment for what I did but not like that. He made an example of me my hanging me in the air, my collar even ripped but I didn't tell my mom about what he did because I was afraid he would find out and do something worse.
 
It's amazing at the different approaches teachers have used to deal with kids over the years. Things many of us dealt with (the over 40 crowd) growing up would probably get folks fired (or worse) today.

My wife teaches 1st grade and has had to deal with her fair share of little snots. Touching a kid (not hitting or grabbing) to get their attention is one thing, but you don't bully a kid into doing what you want or need them to do. That's one of the first things teachers learn on-the-job. If you have a difficult kid you go get help. Whether it's from a fellow teacher, assistant, principal or parent. Most of the time there is a reason for the kid's behavior.
 
I have no idea what he said or what happened.

If the little shit said "fuck you you fat ****", I can see it.

In the fourth grade my friend Ian called our teacher a cocksucking dyke(it's way funnier now). If he had gotten roughed up, his parents would have said "good".
 
Hey man,

I have a lot of sympathy for your situation, I can't imagine how difficult it probably is to raise a kid like yours. And I know I'm probably going to touch a nerve here, but in light of the bolded sentence above, is it possible that your own attitude that adults that do something you consider wrong deserve to have the crap beat out of them is spilling down to milkmandan Jr's own attitude about people that he considers did something wrong?

Good luck with your son.

Yes, it's certainly possible that spanking him in the past contributed to his behavior, if that what you are asking.

If you are asking "hey you just said you'd be the crap out of the teacher"; is your own behavior towards others contributing to his behavior? I'd say no, as he doesn't read sherdog :)...neither my wife or i present ourselves as angry retaliatory people to our children.

We will teach our children to defend themselves and each other from anyone wishing to cause them physical or verbal harm.

Thank you for the good luck....things have been going much better for him
 
Ok but does that mean to put your hands on someone else's child like that? Get the kid removed or something. He could be the worst kid on earth, but the video doesn't show anything that gives her a reason to do what she did.

I have stated multiple times in this thread that what the teacher did was unacceptable and should face consequences for her actions.

I was responding to the many posters in this thread who seem to have a naively idealistic view of children. If I have learned anything in the 10 years I spent working in schools it is that children are not the sweet, mild-mannered angels people believe them to be. Children can be taught to behave in a civil manner but if they are not raised properly they can be brutally vicious, self-entitled, out of control animals. Though, there are children with mental and developmental disorders where there isn't much that can be done.

The way the schools are these days the teachers really can't do much. They can send the kid out of the classroom but he will be back within an hour to raise hell after the principal gives him a typical lecture on how to behave properly. There are kids who will go to the principal's office 4-5 times a day and then go back to class.

Schools are ruled by thugs and bullies. An extreme example of this is the kids who kill themselves after years of being severely bullied. Parents call to get the bullying stopped and all the teachers do is tell the kids to shake hands and say they are sorry.

There should be strict zero tolerance policies on violence for both teachers and students. Kids who are hitting and bullying should be out of the classroom and placed into special classrooms until they can prove they are ready to act properly in a regular classroom.
 
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I have stated multiple times in this thread that what the teacher did was unacceptable and should face consequences for her actions.

I was responding to the many posters in this thread who seem to have a naively idealistic view of children. If I have learned anything in the 10 years I spent working in schools it is that children are not the sweet, mild-mannered angels people believe them to be. Children can be taught to behave in a civil manner but if they are not raised properly they can be brutally vicious, self-entitled, out of control animals. Though, there are children with mental and developmental disorders where there isn't much that can be done.

The way the schools are these days the teachers really can't do much. They can send the kid out of the classroom but he will be back within an hour to raise hell after the principal gives him a typical lecture on how to behave properly. There are kids who will go to the principal's office 4-5 times a day and then go back to class.

Schools are ruled by thugs and bullies. An extreme example of this is the kids who kill themselves after years of being severely bullied. Parents call to get the bullying stopped and all the teachers do is tell the kids to shake hands and say they are sorry.

There should be strict zero tolerance policies on violence for both teachers and students. Kids who are hitting and bullying should be out of the classroom and placed into special classrooms until they can prove they are ready to act properly in a regular classroom.

I agree with this. Also, kids are raised by parents who range from teenagers to people in their 40's... I know young parents with kids who go out drinking and sleep around and neglect their kids needs and others who are good parents who are there to raise their kids properly and spend a lot of time with them which is ideal. It's like night and day and the kids are the same age. Kids behavior is a huge reflection on the parents and I can only imagine the difficulty of trying to steer difficult children the right way when you can't parent the parents... but teachers cannot abuse kids no matter what even if he was being a little shit.
 
I agree with this. Also, kids are raised by parents who range from teenagers to people in their 40's... I know young parents with kids who go out drinking and sleep around and neglect their kids needs and others who are good parents who are there to raise their kids properly and spend a lot of time with them which is ideal. It's like night and day and the kids are the same age. Kids behavior is a huge reflection on the parents and I can only imagine the difficulty of trying to steer difficult children the right way when you can't parent the parents... but teachers cannot abuse kids no matter what even if he was being a little shit.

I worked in classrooms with very difficult children. What was the most frustrating was that usually by the end of the week the kids were starting to behave better because they had a full 5 days of being at school and spending less time at home. Then the weekend would come and they spent the weekend out of school and exclusively with their parents and they would be back to square one on Monday. Things would get even worse if there was an extended holiday.

If those kids could be completely taken out of their environment or their parents made some changes, its very possible the kids could change their behavior. The problem is that the kids will normally go back to the same living environment so it feels like all the effort put into trying to change their behavior is a waste of time. It's like Sisyphus rolling the boulder up the hill only to have it roll down again.

Unless you can change the child's home environment, its extremely difficult to change their behavior.

Edit: I will also mention that it is incredible how much influence one can have over a difficult child without resorting to yelling or hitting. It takes great patience, insight and foresight but it is possible to influence children to behave properly and not have to hit them or yell at them.
 
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