Khamzat SMESH Everyone MEGATHREAD.

[DoctorsStoppage]

based on what? Who has he faced that is harder to get down than Israel? The question is basically if he can get him down, standing up he quite probably doesnt have a chance

Khamzat can probably stand with Izzy, but will most likely just pound him out. Izzy will never have a ground game.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

If I see ONE more Khazmat thread I swear to god..

 

[NickDiaz]

Khamzat vs. Wonderboy

Or

Khamzat vs. Burns



too bad we can't see Khamzat vs. Colby right now.

 

[sabretitan]

Khamzat is new Erick Silva, what an incredible specimen

That
t makes no sense. Silva is ten years younger than khmazat

 

[Paolo Delutis]

So muchhhh casualll


But

 

[Lawrence]

They gonna side track as long as possible IMO. Bet we don't see Khamzat in championship fight for another 2 years

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The only thing that will side track Khamzat is Khamzat.

If he stays busy he will get a shot soon.

 

[pankrat]

Me too, but I think if anyone can do it then someone like him who's ridiculously strong in the division he's in and ridiculously powerful has the best chance. When you watch him brutally one shot MW's like Ikram and GM3 is it that much of a stretch to imagine him KOing a LHW if he connects?

I can imagine several top LHWs brutalizing GM3 or Ikran but I get ur point.
Im just not sure at how will Khamzat handle Usman, let alome imagine him KOing the LHW champ but will see. I also think it's time for UFC to invest on the LHW division, now that Jones is gone for good.

 

[pankrat]

Robert Whittaker is a failed welterweight. Guess he'd never be good enough to win MW gold then eh? I'm talking exclusively about his time at WW where he's only lost to 1 man who is named Kumaru Usman and has an overall record of 12-1 when he is fighting at 170 lbs. Yes Khamzat's performances by comparison not comparing outside factors are more dominant. But he's also not fighting top 10 fighters yet. If he does the same thing to opponents who burns has fought or of similar level then sure we can talk. But until he does, all i'm doing is comparing their approaches and ability to get W's with similar approaches. Wonderboy is known to make wrestlers struggle to look great against him, even at his age. Stop being so emotionally invested.

Chimaev is obviously unproven but Burns was struggling not that long ago to non-top10 WWs in the level of Li as Kunchenko. What Khamzat does is not normal but will see.

 

[chinarice]

Khamzat is 4-0 in UFC, his first two opponents scrubs, 3rd iffy, but not just beating but another dominant performance on Leech who does have a number next to his name means even if the hype is out of control, Khamzat can't be ignored on strength of schedule anymore.

So many of the top 10 welterweights, I think just fold under that wrestling pressure. So what's the point of matching them up with a style mismatch? Gotta stop inflating a prospect at some point and give him a proper test to see if he can handle a champ, and this would also improve him for a title shot if that day ever comes.

Khamzat needs to fight Michael Chiesa next. Would be a beautiful grappling fight. And we'll get to see if A) Khamzat can out wrestle another very good wrestler or B) if he can change up the game plan against a wrestler and use his striking if needed.

It's the best fight to make there. Chiesa is ranked number 6 coming off a loss. So it's the next step for sure plus a few and far between style fight for us fans to witness.

You think that will be a grappling fight? Khamzat will crush Michael Chiesa in the grappling.

C R U S H

Chiesa isn't seeing the cards. Chiesa gets choked out or TKOed on the ground. I imagine Khamzat just beats his ass on the ground until Chiesa gives up his neck.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I can imagine several top LHWs brutalizing GM3 or Ikran but I get ur point.
Im just not sure at how will Khamzat handle Usman, let alome imagine him KOing the LHW champ but will see. I also think it's time for UFC to invest on the LHW division, now that Jones is gone for good.

Tbf they've done some good recruitment at LHW recently. Jailton Almeida, Azamat Murzakanov and Ihor Poteyra all look like good signings. I reckon they're going to sign Anton Turkalj soon too. If they get around to adding Vitor Petrino, Muslim Magomedov and Murtaza Talha to that then the division is set for years. I would say Josh Silveira too, but he said he's dropping to MW.

 

[Volador]

You think that will be a grappling fight? Khamzat will crush Michael Chiesa in the grappling.

C R U S H

Chiesa isn't seeing the cards. Chiesa gets choked out or TKOed on the ground. I imagine Khamzat just beats his ass on the ground until Chiesa gives up his neck.

Lol, people are saying Chiesa would put up a fight... Chiesa who got subbed by Luque, Pettis and Lee of all people. One of them merely a couple months ago. Khamzat would absolutely embarrass and mop the floor with Chiesa, and also Magny, those are pointless fights unless the UFC simply wants to increase Khamzat's hype with more showcase wins, which I guess would still be a cool thing to watch.

Only interesting fights at this point, outside of a TS, are Edwards, Burns, Colby, and possibly Luque, that's it.

 

[JKS]

He just ran through Hooker who went life and death with Poirier but yeah sure, Islam ain't ready. Maybe after he beats nine more guys he'll earn the right to fight 5-3 Gaethje or 1-1 Chandler.

First of all, it's the style match up that has to be considered here before you start making comparisons. Poirier/Hooker was a fight between opponents who rely on their striking and it was pretty much all stand up. Hooker is a very good striker and gave Poirier problems. Islam on the other hand has a completely different approach as a grappler and went against Dan's weakness. How do you think last nights fights would've played out if Islam had no intentions to grappling?? Yah, exactly, he would get smoked by Hooker. Dustin is a better defensive grappler than Dan, but also, is much better at putting offense together vs grappling offense fighters. So I don't see the mma math here, different style match ups.

Gaethje is 5-3 because he's fought nothing but the best fighters at LW. Gaethje in 8 fights, lowest ranked guy was Vick at #13 and that was the only one out of the top 10. The man has fought primarily top 5 opponents and in his 9th UFC fight, another top 5. How do you think Islams record would look if he fought nothing but highly ranked opponents?? You have to look beyond the numbers amigo and the context behind it.

And I think you're not reading things clearly here. I never said doesn't deserve to fight those guys. He clearly does and now should be fighting nothing but top 5 guys like the names mentioned. I personally just don't think he beats Gaethje, Poirier or Chandler. So that is why I am not sold on him being a top contender yet or future champ. He hasn't beat the best guys at LW, and I personally don't think he will. It's not that complicated to understand. If he can then all the power to him and I would be wrong about him.

Don't take things so personally here. I am just not a big believer in him right now.

 

[Iron Nick]

I'm glad somebody finally pointed this out.

Size does NOT equal height. Bone density and muscle mass are also part of the equation. Otherwise all of these 6 foot featherweights would be fighting 3 weight classes up.

Exactly, it's kinda crazy to me that some people still don't get this.
Bone circumference is arguably just as meaningful as length is when it comes to the weight someone walks around at; the higher the bone circumference, the greater the average and maximum muscle mass is, that someone carries around, if all other things are being equal.

Petr Yan, for example, is of a very sturdy build, which becomes particularly obvious if you look at the guy's hands, wrists and forearms.

 

[wisdom blows]

Some fighter that saw some sparrings of his in Vegas I think. This was while back so don’t remember exact source. But jist of it was that Khamzat has trouble if he is pressured, pushed back. Thats when he looks beatable

many, many more say he is a total savage, so I’ll listen to the majority

 

[DonQ94]

Lol, people are saying Chiesa would put up a fight... Chiesa who got subbed by Luque, Pettis and Lee of all people. One of them merely a couple months ago. Khamzat would absolutely embarrass and mop the floor with Chiesa, and also Magny, those are pointless fights unless the UFC simply wants to increase Khamzat's hype with more showcase wins, which I guess would still be a cool thing to watch.

Only interesting fights at this point, outside of a TS, are Edwards, Burns, Colby, and possibly Luque, that's it.

The Pettis and Lee mentions are pretty irrelevant since it's clear that Chiesa at LW was irresponsible and he paid for it. But if you want to mention those, you should mention that he dominated Dariush as well who is a much better grappler than Pettis and more complete than Lee.

Besides that he got too greedy against Luque, but before that mistake he was looking pretty dominant + Luque is a stud.
Based on Chiesa's physique and grappling there's no basis for Chimaev running through him in that department. Striking wise yeah I could see it happen, but in grappling it could absolutely get interesting.

 

[GUY]

Khamzat can probably stand with Izzy, but will most likely just pound him out. Izzy will never have a ground game.

Khamzat never faced anyone with the TDD that Israel has, and not even close to the striking that Izzy has. You are saying this based on nothing. Can he take him down? Maybe, we don't know. Can he strike with him? Very unlikely that a wrestler with a couple of years of training can strike with an elite kickboxer. He has powerful hands, that's all we know. Don't think it would be enough.

 

[wisdom blows]

Khamzat never faced anyone with the TDD that Israel has, and not even close to the striking that Izzy has. You are saying this based on nothing. Can he take him down? Maybe, we don't know. Can he strike with him? Very unlikely that a wrestler with a couple of years of training can strike with an elite kickboxer. He has powerful hands, that's all we know. Don't think it would be enough.

Izzy has never faced a wrestler like Khamzat.

 

[kellier]

Yeah but that exposed her as being very beatable.

Its not that she was very beatable. The WMMA game just went past her and her success led to a complacency rather than an urge to improve. She was steamrolling opposition and didn't need to, until it was too late.

Before Holm, she was 12-0 with 12 finishes. Its quite impressive considering she had no effective stand up in hindsight.

 

[PalmStrike]

Smesh someone your own size...

 

[ilfirin]

These guys around here used to say the same shit about Khabib. "He's beating cans." Now a number of them say hes the GOAT.

Khamzat's talent level should be very apparent to anyone with two eyes and even the slightest understanding of MMA. This guy may not retire undefeated, but I imagine he will win the overwhelming majority of his fights, and likely hold a belt. Dude has fought more experienced fighters since he started fighting. 2-0? Fought a guy who was 4-0. 4-0? Fought a guy was 8-3. And so on, and on. I don't think he has fought any as or less experienced as himself, and he molested all of the opponents he's had with ease. Future is extremely bright for this man, can't wait to see where he ends up.

Excellent summary. It's almost baffling how some people seem to be unable to see the talent this dude possesses. We're watching history being written here, believe me.