Media Khamzat Chimaev grappling with Luke Rockhold in 5 minute match, as special guest on HFC Reality

[rjmbrd]

He could dominate every MW on the UFC roster in grappling and there would be people still say he hasn't earned anything

He couldn't even dominate Burns who is a notably small welterweight.

Why do people lose their minds and ignore linear reality when it comes to Khamzat?

Rockhold turns 40 years old next month.

 

[Prince Nephilim]

So many things to factor. Khazmat looked good and gave Luke all that he could handle but he couldn’t get an extension on any submission. He had Luke in trouble 3 different times, leg, back and arm…and Luke couldn’t launch any type offense but like I said there are serval factors to consider.

Overall scored this for Khazmat all the way

 

[Petarito]

Never heard of this khamscat guy

He is the p4p most skilled fighter in the ufc

 

[MigitAs]

Khamzat represented himself really well here, pretty respectful.

 

[Bobby Boulders]

Is this Russian TUF or some shit? Most surreal thing I've seen all week is something UFC related that is current and also has Woodley's name all over it.

 

[Lawrence]

Lets be real, Strickland lost by a split decision, then won one over Costa. He had a shot against DDP and failed, whether it was an inch or a mile. I really hope that he has to take out a real contender, he barely took out Costa who is very far from a title shot.

Pereira, well that guy has earned anything he gets, so I'll just say I wouldn't be mad over that one. Alex fights his heart out and has basically cleared LHW besides Ankalaev.

The new blood is what I want to see in the mix, no more Costa/Cannonier/Vettori/ in title contention.
Khamzat 7 fight win streak no losses
Borralho 6 fight win streak no losses.
Allen 7 fight win streak and avenged his last loss
Michel Pereira 8 fight win streak 2 dumb losses, diego dq and the fight he did so many tricks that he gassed out when he was new.
Robocop 3 fight win streak 2 losses, 1 because of his aggresive style, the other a split dec most thought Rodrigues won.

I'd like to see the old guard take out these guys before going for another title fight after losing. It makes no sense to make them keep fighting each other and obscures rankings.

I like your take a lot Bro.

I like all the guys you listed and would not be heartbroken if they SMASHED everyone above them on their way to JBG glory.

I like the current Champion & Strickland because they surprised me and a lot of other people in getting as far as they did.... But if they go down to any of these up and coming savages... Well that's going to be exciting no matter who I root for.

 

[jsbx45]

Khamzat looking pretty dominant in that vid. I suppose they wouldn't let it be presented any other way but...His grappling chops are legit.

 

[jsbx45]

Lets be real, Strickland lost by a split decision, then won one over Costa. He had a shot against DDP and failed, whether it was an inch or a mile. I really hope that he has to take out a real contender, he barely took out Costa who is very far from a title shot.

Pereira, well that guy has earned anything he gets, so I'll just say I wouldn't be mad over that one. Alex fights his heart out and has basically cleared LHW besides Ankalaev.

The new blood is what I want to see in the mix, no more Costa/Cannonier/Vettori/ in title contention.
Khamzat 7 fight win streak no losses
Borralho 6 fight win streak no losses.
Allen 7 fight win streak and avenged his last loss
Michel Pereira 8 fight win streak 2 dumb losses, diego dq and the fight he did so many tricks that he gassed out when he was new.
Robocop 3 fight win streak 2 losses, 1 because of his aggresive style, the other a split dec most thought Rodrigues won.

I'd like to see the old guard take out these guys before going for another title fight after losing. It makes no sense to make them keep fighting each other and obscures rankings.

Pretty interesting what folks will call "Clearing out a division" these days. He had a Split decision win over Jan. He did win clearly against massively overated Jiri, and Jamahal Hill, who got lucky and should never have been ranked as high as he is. Nothing against any of these guys. They all fight their heart out, but I wouldn't call what Poatan has done so far "clearing out the division". LOL he's fought 3 guys. Mad respect to him nonetheless.

 

[octagonation]

I definitely agree with you that Khamzat should be forced to quit and retire if he pulls out of this fight.

Even if he eventually makes it to a fight, pulling out again will just prove he's unreliable. We can't have someone that pulls out of half their scheduled fights challenging for the title.

lol why are we acting as if Chimaev has pulled off a Costa and pulled out of 7+ fights. He has only pulled out of 2 fights (Once it was Covid era and the second was in this June which got rebooked for October) Let us not pretend like he has pulled out of 150+s with sickness. I hopeful October 26 is gonna come none of the guys are gonna pull out Whittaker seems confident as fuk after KOing Aliskerov he smells blood and Khamzat equally want this fight

 

[octagonation]

No, it's like Ryan Hall beating BJ Penn at FW. Ie, way past his prime.

Usman wouldn't be a top ten MW at this point. There is no "pretending" about that, he has no knees.

Lmao! This is geninuely hilarious! That is why I love MMA we always get the answer inside the octagon. But imho he is gonna beat Whittaker and Du plessi. He is the best MW on the roster right now as we speak. Also the trashing of Usman is uncalled for as Usman has the best takedown defense in UFC history or had before he faced Chimaev knees or no backs

 

[Neck&Neck]

He is the p4p most skilled fighter in the ufc

 

[cmw43]

He could dominate every MW on the UFC roster in grappling and there would be people still say he hasn't earned anything

Winning grappling matches doesn't move you up the UFC rankings...

 

[Elvis.]

Khamzat really is a special talent, too bad he can’t seem to put it all together

 

[Tweak896]

He couldn't even dominate is a notably small welterweight.

Why do people lose their minds and ignore linear reality when it comes to Khamzat?

Rockhold turns 40 years old next month.

Khamzat went from fighting the bottom of the division to the #3 or whatever. Also Burns is a bad matchup for wrestlers. Not only that Khamzat seemed to throw the gameplan out and put on a show throwing haymakers nonstop. He smashed Holland like everyone else.

I like your take a lot Bro.

I like all the guys you listed and would not be heartbroken if they SMASHED everyone above them on their way to JBG glory.

I like the current Champion & Strickland because they surprised me and a lot of other people in getting as far as they did.... But if they go down to any of these up and coming savages... Well that's going to be exciting no matter who I root for.

Strickland is starting to act like old guard, but dude put in the work and took out guys like Imavov who I would've put on that list. Still end of the day I wanna see who comes out of a mini tournament between all of MW right now.

Pretty interesting what folks will call "Clearing out a division" these days. He had a Split decision win over Jan. He did win clearly against massively overated Jiri, and Jamahal Hill, who got lucky and should never have been ranked as high as he is. Nothing against any of these guys. They all fight their heart out, but I wouldn't call what Poatan has done so far "clearing out the division". LOL he's fought 3 guys. Mad respect to him nonetheless.

To be fair, LHW is a waste land. Ankalaev is the only glaring omission. The only others are Rakic, Krylov, Walker, Reyes, Rountree, oezodimir. Maybe if you want to argue they have to lose for it.

Winning grappling matches doesn't move you up the UFC rankings...

They should count for the logic in people's heads that "he can't wrestle real MWs". But with his fights along with that you can form your own opinion. The honest answer is vegas odds, those have a better answer for rankings than the current squatting positions.

 

[jsbx45]

Khamzat went from fighting the bottom of the division to the #3 or whatever. Also Burns is a bad matchup for wrestlers. Not only that Khamzat seemed to throw the gameplan out and put on a show throwing haymakers nonstop. He smashed Holland like everyone else.


Strickland is starting to act like old guard, but dude put in the work and took out guys like Imavov who I would've put on that list. Still end of the day I wanna see who comes out of a mini tournament between all of MW right now.



To be fair, LHW is a waste land. Ankalaev is the only glaring omission. The only others are Rakic, Krylov, Walker, Reyes, Rountree, oezodimir. Maybe if you want to argue they have to lose for it.


They should count for the logic in people's heads that "he can't wrestle real MWs". But with his fights along with that you can form your own opinion. The honest answer is vegas odds, those have a better answer for rankings than the current squatting positions.

Can't disagree with your take on the light heavyweight division bro. Things have come a long way since the Chuck years.

 

[Big Al's Texas BBQ]

He had some decent grappling but I'm sorry he was nowhere near as good as guys like Romero. His wrestling his bad, his BJJ is decent but not world beating.

And at least some of those submissions came off hurting them with striking and then submitting them when they are injured. That's very different from scoring pure takedowns and submitting them when they're not hurt.

Huh? Romero had explosive takedowns, but was terrible at maintaining top control and securing dominant positions. Go rewatch Rockhold v.s. Weidman and see how he had complete control in mount.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

He had some decent grappling but I'm sorry he was nowhere near as good as guys like Romero. His wrestling his bad, his BJJ is decent but not world beating.

And at least some of those submissions came off hurting them with striking and then submitting them when they are injured. That's very different from scoring pure takedowns and submitting them when they're not hurt.

Luke had elite BJJ for MMA but his wrestling was trash. His top game was pretty nasty.

Usually when he managed to take guys down it was quick work for him. But when he didn't his chin would fail him every single time.

 

[Tweak896]

Can't disagree with your take on the light heavyweight division bro. Things have come a long way since the Chuck years.

LHW was the greatest division when I started watching, almost like no one cared about other divisions. It's funny how retroactively people place importance, but guys like Hughes were irrelevant in terms of what people talked about.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Rodolfo Vieira vs Khamzat. Let's see them grappling game.

 

[Luffy]

Chimaev wrestling/grappling is top notch, no doubt about that. It's at the same level as Khabib's and Islam's. The thing tho is that Khabib would have more stamina to keep this pace through and through, and Islam has better stand up fight. But it's a pity that he has stamina issues due to illness, really hope he can adjust it to make his fading stamina way less of an issue. If so, and he can indeed improve his stamina, don't know, let's hope he gets put on an efficient treatment or medication that prevents these tiring issues, he'd be like a tall Khabib, but with even more of a crazy rush imo