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Karate blackbelts in MMA

Discussion in 'Standup Technique' started by Hotora86, May 30, 2016.

  1. nefti Red Belt

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    Also lets look at judo range, its basically punching/striking range... you are trying to grab a gi while getting hit. Its much more logical to set up the takedown when you close the distance and clinch.

    Look at combat sambo its basically the same as kudo, the takedowns happen in the clinch.
     
  2. Hotora86 #StayTheFuckHome #FlattenTheCurve #WashYourHands

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    Stephen Wonderboy Thompson - excellent fighter, wonderful person, great ambassador of Karate in MMA.

     
  3. SandisLL Brown Belt

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    Judo does have some striking in Kata but doesn't uses striking in competitions.
    JJJ mainly was striking-counterstriking art + with grappling etc.
    Exactly more focused on scenarios like : attacker does attack with punch, kick, beat with some item or is attacking with knife etc.
    They turned more eclectic later but Judo more tournaments focused art.
     
  4. Hotora86 #StayTheFuckHome #FlattenTheCurve #WashYourHands

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    Same happened to Karate the other way around - used to be very mixed, lots of grappling. After being introduced in Japan they dropped most of the grappling since the Japanese already had their own refined grappling so were not interested. Focused on striking, then one-strike competition was adapted in Shotokan and other styles, now Karate is seen as a striking-only art, which is not historically true. Kata are full of grips, locks and throws.
     
  5. JohnPJones Green Belt

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    ...that's why you learn to block strikes as you close...you literally can't do a takedown without getting into striking range...so not really seeing what your argument is...
     
  6. nefti Red Belt

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    Argument is that going for a gi judo throw isnt very practical in kudo/combat sambo
     
  7. Hotora86 #StayTheFuckHome #FlattenTheCurve #WashYourHands

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    Weird since they do Judo gi throws in Kudo and Sambo often.

    Do you do either?

    And why has my thread about Karate been derailed into Judo suddenly? :p
     
  8. TriangleMonkey Red Belt

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    Great list!

    Rudy Bears and I trained since 15 together, both 2nd degree.

    He earned his BJJ blackbelt from Leonardo Pecanha and recently remodeled his academy for post-corona.
     
  9. SandisLL Brown Belt

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    Both come out different in competitions mainly because RULES not core of the craft.
    Karatekas were able to grapple at least a bit and judokas able to strike, even kick with knee middle section.
    + short range striking and fighting Karate does know, but modern rules prefer long and middle range striking, not rarerly high kicks.
    + like with TKD rules and scoring impacted how public is thinking about karate, judo, TKD.
     
  10. Katsushyro Blue Belt

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    You are missing Marcio Alexandre Jr., shotokan black belt. nickname: marcio lyoto.
     
  11. Hotora86 #StayTheFuckHome #FlattenTheCurve #WashYourHands

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    Thank you!

    You mean you trained together Karate since 15 and both hold 2nd dan? Which style?
     
  12. TriangleMonkey Red Belt

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    2nd black American Kenpo Karate (Chinese Kenpo) AKKA. Same Kenpo system as Mike Winklejon. We were ready to test for 3rd degree but with the passing of Bill Packer (RIP) thats when we broke away in ‘05 and started training mma with some local collegiate wrestlers and training a hybrid submission system, American Jiu Jitsu, which we both have black belts in as well.
     
  13. Hotora86 #StayTheFuckHome #FlattenTheCurve #WashYourHands

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    Thank you! Do you know if he's 1 dan or higher?
    Anyway, added him to the list.
    • Name: Marcio Alexandre Jr.
    • Pro MMA Record: 16-5-0 (Win-Loss-Draw)
    • Nickname: Lyoto
    • Current Streak: 1 Loss
    • Age: 30 | Date of Birth: 1989.05.03
    • Last Fight: April 19, 2019 in FFC
    • Weight Class: Middleweight | Last Weigh-In: 186.0 lbs
    • Affiliation: Team Tavares
    • Height: 6'0" (183cm) | Reach: 75.5" (192cm)
    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Márcio_Alexandre_Jr.
    https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/50934-marcio-alexandre-jr-lyoto

     
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  15. Hotora86 #StayTheFuckHome #FlattenTheCurve #WashYourHands

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    OK guys, this was a shock to me but apparently Tim fucking Sylvia holds a black belt in Karate.

    My source: http://fcfighter.com/sylvia020924.htm

    FCF: Let's first start with your earlier days in the sport. How did you get into mixed martial arts?
    TS: I wrestled a bit in high school. I wasn't good at all. I was fat, short, and out of shape, but I loved to compete. I always did karate all through grammar and high school. I have about seven years of karate under my belt. I held a black belt in Okinawan karate and held a brown belt in an Americanized version I studied.

    <WellThere>
    Well, there it is... the newest addition to my list is the motherfucking UFC HW champion Tim Sylvia.
    • Given Name: Timothy Deane Sylvia
    • Pro MMA Record: 31-10-0, 1 NC (Win-Loss-Draw)
    • Nickname: The Maine-iac
    • Age: 46 | Date of Birth: 1974.03.05
    • Last Fight: October 26, 2013 in FNG
    • Weight Class: Heavyweight | Last Weigh-In: 307.5 lbs
    • Affiliation: Champions Gym
    • Height: 6'8" (204cm) | Reach: 80.0" (203cm)
    • Born: Ellsworth, Maine, United States
    • Fighting out of: Maine
    • Karate style: unknown (quoted as "Okinawan" so could be one of the common 4: Goju, Shorin, Uechi, Chito)

    Thus, we had 11 UFC champions with a Karate background:
    Bas Rutten
    Chuck Liddell
    Frank Mir
    Georges St-Pierre
    Guy Mezger
    Kenichi Yamamoto
    Lyoto Machida
    Pat Miletich
    Robert Whittaker
    Rose Namajunas
    Tim Sylvia
     
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  16. Hotora86 #StayTheFuckHome #FlattenTheCurve #WashYourHands

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    Last night was excellent for all Karate fans! :D

    An important win for Goju-ryu Karate blackbelt Robert Whittaker

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    AND
    A Performance of the Night bonus for Shito-ryu Karate blackbelt Tanner Boser

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