Karate blackbelt Jesse Enkamp demonstrates why BJJ does not work

[Da Speeit]

So because they crossed trained like literally every other fighter it’s invalidated?

that’s really stupid.

Yes. WHY did they cross the line.

Did GSP and Chuck have Karate coaches, or boxing and kickboxing coaches? Really think about this

 

[SandisLL]

Jesus fucking christ TMA Fanboys are so delusional.
You people live in make-believe world

I think that you are living in make- believe world.
I agree that there are MC dojos etc stuff, air pushing dojos etc.

While the same kickboxing isn't matrial ART ....It is set of rules fighters are under when they compete.
MT and Judo are TMAs in their core. Does these works or NO.
KK is TMA, does kicks work or no?

 

[SandisLL]

Development of kickboxing in europe in general.
Some rule sets had been approwed in order to compete.
Ok, here for ams were light contact, full contact and low kick rule sets etc variations.
So punches like in boxing allowed and ...kicks added.
Basically exactly TMAs with boxing added.

First KBers usually were exactly TMA guys with additional training in boxing.
Kicks, who cared will you use TKD, Karate or MT kick.

Only later specific kind of gyms had developed with intent to train competitive athletes....to compete under KB rules.

 

[SandisLL]

Additionally about TMA kicks not effective I suggest to google up news from the same U.S.
Not propagandists or YT channels.
I once had posted link to Cali ( U.S ) news article about death case from 1 single TKD kick landed on trained opponent so sure ineffective and not dangerous.
I just today don't have time to collect bunch with similar articles....

 

[SandisLL]

While I agree that usually TMA practitioners are worse than boxers to protect themselves from head punches done by someone trained in boxing etc.

 

[JohnPJones]

Yes. WHY did they cross the line.

Did GSP and Chuck have Karate coaches, or boxing and kickboxing coaches? Really think about this

They cross trained because they needed to, just like literally every other fighter regardless of base art.

every boxer comes in a cross trains some form of kickboxing, every MT fighter comes in and trains boxing.

Karate has had various continuous and full contact sport fighting as long as, or longer than point fighting. Some of these rule sets are simply called kickboxing today. The only types of kickboxing I am aware of that don’t have roots in karate are MT and savate.

every other kickboxing organization or rule set commonly found in the US Europe and Japan has its roots in karate.

One of Chuck Liddell’s MMA coach…was his karate instructor.
Wonderboy’s dad aka his karate instructor, likewise one of his mma coaches, pretty sure the elder machida also coached his sons while they fought in MMA.

 

[shincheckin]

I like Jesse and karate but this was a unfair biased video, made to fit his narrative.

Try this same thing in a MMA fight rather than BJJ match and wed have a different outcome.

BJJ has already proven itself as one of the most effective martial arts in the world. We saw this in the early days of UFC, everyone getting smashed by the Gracie's.

I have done Muay Thai most my life. I'm not Buakaw but I have alot of years of training and fight experience. I'm also friends with some BJJ black belts that run their own gyms. I would not want to fight them, regardless of my Muay Thai.

Biased click bait video made to stir up controversy and generate views. Such as this 11 page thread.

 

[JohnPJones]

I like Jesse and karate but this was a unfair biased video, made to fit his narrative.

Try this same thing in a MMA fight rather than BJJ match and wed have a different outcome.

BJJ has already proven itself as one of the most effective martial arts in the world. We saw this in the early days of UFC, everyone getting smashed by the Gracie's.

I have done Muay Thai most my life. I'm not Buakaw but I have alot of years of training and fight experience. I'm also friends with some BJJ black belts that run their own gyms. I would not want to fight them, regardless of my Muay Thai.

Biased click bait video made to stir up controversy and generate views. Such as this 11 page thread.

The entire video was meant to be a joke.
Idk how people don’t see it considering he literally ran around town falling down and throwing rocks off of him…

Anyone familiar with Jesse can agree him entering as a white belt may technically be true, but was a little unfair for sure, but again the whole video was to be simply to poke some fun.

 

[shincheckin]

The entire video was meant to be a joke.
Idk how people don’t see it considering he literally ran around town falling down and throwing rocks off of him…

Anyone familiar with Jesse can agree him entering as a white belt my technically true, but was a little unfair for sure, but again the whole video was to be simply to poke some fun.

I only skimmed through it. Thread made it seem legit. Interesting responses for sure.

 

[JohnPJones]

I only skimmed through it. Thread made it seem legit. Interesting responses for sure.

Naw, watch the video.
He rolls with BJJ purple and brown belts at his gym, and got wrecked, then had a montage of him running through town, and falling down and bridging/throwing large rocks off of him.

At some point he compares the rules of BJJ with the rules of point fighting to highlight how stupid they are.

BJJ people just have no sense of humor and aren’t used to anyone poking fun at their style.

 

[teamventure09]

Man I'd love to grab that dork, dump him on his head and choke his dumb ass out...

I'd love to watch that. The guy annoys me too. He's def bias.
I remember a video where an mma fighter recalled fighting off a home invasion and because he didn't finish the invader like he would in mma that meant mma isn't realistic according to Enkamp.
It's just another jealous tma guy looking for confirmation bias.

 

[teamventure09]

Tell that to the hundreds of professional MMA fighters who trained karate their whole life.
And the likely thousands of karate people competing in kickboxing…

Not trying to argue just offering a perspective.
An old coach of mine who competed at a high level used to train karate way back, but he would say in mma class that karate was crap.
Perhaps some of the people who trained it their whole lives ended up ditching it for more effective styles?

 

[JohnPJones]

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Not trying to argue just offering a perspective.
An old coach of mine who competed at a high level used to train karate way back, but he would say in mma class that karate was crap.
Perhaps some of the people who trained it their whole lives ended up ditching it for more effective styles?

Perhaps some people learned crap, and some people didn’t.

no one would say kickboxing doesn’t work, but that doesn’t mean every gym that offers a kickboxing class of some sort is going to teach you to be a good fighter.

I wonder what your coach defined as competing at a high level.

possibly the most accomplished point fighter seems to have adapted to full contact in karate combat just fine. He may never rise to the level of a UFC champion, but if he cross trained with some ground fighting, he’d likely be at least competitive in the big name MMA organizations.

bottom line is that several big names in MMA trained karate their whole lives, continued to train karate while competing in MMA and themselves attribute much of their success to karate, so I find it amazing how randoms on the internet know more about their training background, and how they fought than they did.

 

[SummerStriker]

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Perhaps some people learned crap, and some people didn’t.

no one would say kickboxing doesn’t work, but that doesn’t mean every gym that offers a kickboxing class of some sort is going to teach you to be a good fighter.

I wonder what your coach defined as competing at a high level.

possibly the most accomplished point fighter seems to have adapted to full contact in karate combat just fine. He may never rise to the level of a UFC champion, but if he cross trained with some ground fighting, he’d likely be at least competitive in the big name MMA organizations.

bottom line is that several big names in MMA trained karate their whole lives, continued to train karate while competing in MMA and themselves attribute much of their success to karate, so I find it amazing how randoms on the internet know more about their training background, and how they fought than they did.

Kick boxing doesn't work. All these mother fuckers do in nearly any kick boxing gym is zombie walk forward blasting pads with their feet 18 inches apart. If a world champion kick boxer with no grappling experience comes up against a 16 year old wrestler with a 225 pound bench press, the kick boxer is going to get smoked 99 times out of 100.

To make kick boxing work, you have to change the whole way you stand and then focus on all this lateral movement or retreating strikes almost no one bothers with. Kick boxing works about as good as TKD because I can just lift a spinning hook kick out of TKD and act like that makes me a TKD stylist. Look, I did the thing!

Fact is MMA is just different, but some of the moves are the same.

 

[SummerStriker]

The entire video was meant to be a joke.
Idk how people don’t see it considering he literally ran around town falling down and throwing rocks off of him…

Anyone familiar with Jesse can agree him entering as a white belt may technically be true, but was a little unfair for sure, but again the whole video was to be simply to poke some fun.

It is a joke, but it isn't. Everyone has known for like 20 years that when two roughly equal people fight with different skills, a 4 stripe white belt can disengage a purple belt just like a purple belt can refuse to engage a black belt. Forcing people to engage is a different skill set.

TKD doesn't work against other styles because there isn't a gentleman's agreement to stand 4 feet apart so I can try 39 times to land a head kick.

If all I need to do to slap the teeth off a purple belt is pretend to pummel for under hooks and then give him a hard shove into haymaker range, does BJJ work? Fact is he needs other skills if I'm not going to quickly, sweetly sit down in his guard.

 

[teamventure09]

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Perhaps some people learned crap, and some people didn’t.

no one would say kickboxing doesn’t work, but that doesn’t mean every gym that offers a kickboxing class of some sort is going to teach you to be a good fighter.

I wonder what your coach defined as competing at a high level.

possibly the most accomplished point fighter seems to have adapted to full contact in karate combat just fine. He may never rise to the level of a UFC champion, but if he cross trained with some ground fighting, he’d likely be at least competitive in the big name MMA organizations.

bottom line is that several big names in MMA trained karate their whole lives, continued to train karate while competing in MMA and themselves attribute much of their success to karate, so I find it amazing how randoms on the internet know more about their training background, and how they fought than they did.

Well, I don't know much about karate and don't have a strong opinion about it, that said, what is your definition of a high level competitor in mma, kickboxing, and sub grappling?
Considering him high level was my observation not saying I know much but he was one of the top guys in the northwest region, that sounds high level to me.
He fought Horace Spencer, Cedric Marks, and Ed Herman.

 

[ChickenBrother]

Guy has a fair point. Sport BJJ is getting more ridiculous and laughable by the day

 

[JohnPJones]

Well, I don't know much about karate and don't have a strong opinion about it, that said, what is your definition of a high level competitor in mma, kickboxing, and sub grappling?
Considering him high level was my observation not saying I know much but he was one of the top guys in the northwest region, that sounds high level to me.
He fought Horace Spencer, Cedric Marks, and Ed Herman.

Competition based on belt ranking and competition without belt ranking can change the calculations of ‘high level’ competition.

for example I won a gold medal at a state level competition for blackbelts. It was technically a state comp but people came from nearby states if their organization had a dojo in that state.

simply competing at the black belt level could classify people as high level. Some may consider state wide competition state high level as high level. The competition I won was in reality an interstate competition. Realistically i wouldn’t call it high level, but some might.

As for the people he fought, never heard of any of them lol.

 

[shincheckin]

Naw, watch the video.
He rolls with BJJ purple and brown belts at his gym, and got wrecked, then had a montage of him running through town, and falling down and bridging/throwing large rocks off of him.

At some point he compares the rules of BJJ with the rules of point fighting to highlight how stupid they are.

BJJ people just have no sense of humor and aren’t used to anyone poking fun at their style.

Lol

 

[teamventure09]

Competition based on belt ranking and competition without belt ranking can change the calculations of ‘high level’ competition.

for example I won a gold medal at a state level competition for blackbelts. It was technically a state comp but people came from nearby states if their organization had a dojo in that state.

simply competing at the black belt level could classify people as high level. Some may consider state wide competition state high level as high level. The competition I won was in reality an interstate competition. Realistically i wouldn’t call it high level, but some might.

As for the people he fought, never heard of any of them lol.

They are old names and Northwest the only name you should recognize is Ed Herman. He was on the ultimate fighter.

As for my coach, he was a more obscure name for his level so not a lot of people wanted to fight him.
I remember towards the end of his carrer he had a grappling match against another blackbelt and they were so unevenly matched that he would wrap him up by taking his back, let him go, and then wrap him up again just to demonstrate how easy it was for him.