Kanye West: "Slavery for 400 years?.....400 years!!!!!...That sounds like a choice!"

[BoxingFan653]

Fox News and Social Media are a tiny sample of what's going on, so we should believe you because of what the large sample of what you and your friends discuss?

lol

No, the social media reflecting poll #'s have been debunked already. 97% of twitter said they were voting for Hilary. How did that work out?

 

[Teen Wolf]

That's an entirely unfair accounting of what happened. Are you suggesting that black slaves didn't try to overthrow slavery at numerous times during the slave era? That they, as a group, just accepted it? If that is your belief then your knowledge of black history is extremely incomplete. Black slaves tried to escape all of the time, they organized revolts all of the time. You think slaves weren't allowed to have weapons and were lynched and beaten for no reason? That laws requiring the return of runaway slaves to their masters existed because slaves just accepted their condition?

You have a massive gap in your knowledge of black history and it is leading you to draw negative conclusions about those you claim are your people.




If you define yourself as clean, who cares what I think? Unless you're chasing my approval.

And people don't believe you because for someone who defines himself as black you show a notable disregard for black people. You never have anything positive to say about them, only negative things. Even black people in the worst of conditions find something of themselves and other black people to be proud of. You don't. That makes you a massive outlier. We've talked before and no matter how many positive things I say about black people, you only criticize. Never a statement of pride or support.

And you're wrong - the things that define a group is what they say about themselves. What you say about yourself is what you project to others. Any basic mental health professional will tell you that. Your internal dialogue becomes your external reality.

It's disappointing that someone who defines himself as black is incapable of actually discussing the breadth of black accomplishment and spends so much time trying to define black people negatively.

For armchair psychology's sake, you should consider this. Someone who constantly defines himself as something that he does not respect is telegraphing that he/she does not respect him/her-self. If you define yourself as black but you also only see black America from a negative light then you're telling us that you see yourself through that same negative light. You should ruminate on that.





If you don't see yourself as equal already then that's your primary problem. And yes you can call yourself equal to another man and then live it. This is a conversation at a very basic level and it's about self-image.

The rest of that section is absurd, no one's sitting around singing songs and shit.

So, let's just demonstrate a very basic principle here. Can you type something positive about black America that isn't about music, sports, politics or entertainment? Can you highlight one black person today who has excelled in academics or industry?





See the previous paragraph.

Highlight a black person who has accomplished something that you think represents something to be proud of.

As for those who are allegedly not - that's bullshit. There are white people who act like trash. White people don't sit around and define themselves by them. There are Asians who are lazy and stupid. Asians don't sit around and define themselves by them. Jamaicans don't and we have a poor country. We define ourselves by our best, not by our worst.

So, the problem that you're highlighting is not a problem of choice or not feeling equal. It's a problem with some black people who spend their time looking for reasons to criticize and put down other black people. They ignore successful black people so that they can go and criticize the struggling.

It's the crabs in a barrel problem writ large. If you spend all of your time telling everyone how shitty black people are, you should ask yourself why you don't spend that time telling them how great black people are. Surely you know great black people, don't they deserve more of your promotion?

In another way, it's the real source of the house slave problem. The problem with the house slave wasn't that he/she was a house slave and had a positive relationship with the owner. It was that the house slave came to see the field slave as less than the house slave. To look at the field slave through the same negative lens that the plantation master perceived them and thus drive a wedge between two groups that were otherwise identical. The house slave wanted to believe there was a difference between them and so exaggerated the field slaves deficits in a misguided attempt to elevate the house slave's merit by comparison. That is a mindset that needs to be broken. Praise your own for what they do well. Stand up for their accomplishments. Be a model worth replicating.

As DuBois stated, it is the exceptional among us who will improve our standing in society and set the model by which we grow ourselves. And anyone who claims to care about the success of black people in this country should be spending their time finding, promoting and trying to become one of those exceptional black people.

So, stop bitching about the unsuccessful people that every other group has and start promoting the successful as every other group does. Change the narrative. Otherwise, you're just dragging black America down as badly as those you criticize.

@TheComebackKid BTFO!!!

 

[TheComebackKid]

@TheComebackKid just got educated.


@TheComebackKid BTFO!!!

Says the white liberal. Don't worry I got heat for him. Of course you're still going to back pan because you guys hate black conservatives but I'm not impressed by those low quality arguments.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Says the white liberal. Don't worry I got heat for him. Of course you're still going to back pan because you guys hate black conservatives but I'm not impressed by those low quality arguments.

“got heat for him”


You got fucking destroyed, so just taking it like a good boy.

 

[TheComebackKid]

“got heat for him”


You got fucking destroyed, so just taking it like a good boy.

White liberal calling me a boy.

 

[Teen Wolf]

White liberal calling me a boy.

I’m sorry. It was wrong of me to assume your gender. What do you identify as?

 

[ALE]

i think they would still be slaves if it wasn't for the caucasian men that freed 'em

 

[BoxingFan653]

And that's all I have to say about that

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Dude no one cares on the right about Kanye. You take Fox News and social media too seriously. It’s a tiny sample of what’s going on in the big scheme of things

None of my conservative friends are even paying attention to this stuff. Their focus is on bigger things than main stream media BS

We listen to Thomas sowell or Larry elder not Kanye

This is how people make conclusions in 2018.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Says the white liberal. Don't worry I got heat for him. Of course you're still going to back pan because you guys hate black conservatives but I'm not impressed by those low quality arguments.

Says the segregationist who doesn't think certain people deserve to be equal based on the fact that they are human beings.

 

[MacDuffle]

Says the segregationist who doesn't think certain people deserve to be equal based on the fact that they are human beings.

 

[MacDuffle]

WE GOT 100 YEARS HERE

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Actually my point is that they didn't know what was going to happen to the slaves they sold because slavery as practiced in those cultures did not resemble slavery as it was practiced in the Americas.

Fair enough, although I doubt that was the reason. I think distilled alcohol and guns were just too nice. And it also created a vicious circle. If you enemies have guns you better get some guns or you will be the slave next. So you enslave some people to get guns.

 

[WTF2008]

@1:14 is when he says the comment.

LMFAO.

Other than that, I kind of understand what he is trying to say....He isn't just black, he represents various things...I get that.

Remember Eddie Murphy Delerious?
Black people act like they couldn't have been slaves.

 

[FrontNakedChoke]

Kanye is WOKE

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Fair enough, although I doubt that was the reason. I think distilled alcohol and guns were just too nice. And it also created a vicious circle. If you enemies have guns you better get some guns or you will be the slave next. So you enslave some people to get guns.

Not to mention, there were African states whose economies were entirely dependent on the slave trade. Suffice it to say, a couple of African Kingdoms collapsed with the abolition of the Atlantic slave trade.

I'm also not sure why @panamaican thinks Africans were entirely ignorant of the treatment of slaves in the New World. It's not like Africans never left Africa. Africa has a long-held tradition of sending it's rulers' children abroad to be educated.

Also, I don't think Americans practised human sacrifice with their slave populations (slaughtering a couple hundred at a time) so, I'm not really sure that African slave treatment can that simply be considered benign by comparison.

 

[panamaican]

Fair enough, although I doubt that was the reason. I think distilled alcohol and guns were just too nice. And it also created a vicious circle. If you enemies have guns you better get some guns or you will be the slave next. So you enslave some people to get guns.

Oh, I'm sure that was certainly a highly motivating factor. I don't think it's all one thing or another.

 

[Trotsky]

Plantations usually had dozens of slaves and some had hundreds. At some point we became mentally enslaved and just accepted our conditions. The only way for us to get out of them was through the benevolence and assistance of the white man. And we are still in that mind set today, alot of us anyway.



Cmon man. If I don't shower for a week are you going to consider me clean just because I define myself as such? Hell, I have been defining myself as black for 10 years and you guys still don't believe me lol.

The things that define a group is not what that group says about themselves. It's what they project to others. Things like education, crime, poverty, behavior, ect. Those are standards in which I am defining black America.

Also, I'm not just being critical to be critical. There is a discussion that Kanye has sparked that's going beyond him a bit. And it's about monolithic thought and mental slavery and how that is affecting the conditions of many of our communities. It's a healthy discussion...or it could be anyways.



But you can't just call yourself something. You have to be able to live that out or you won't actually believe it yourself. You'll be putting on a front.

The only way we will ever be able to see ourselves as equal, and thus project equal standing and demand equal respect from others, is to actually obtain equal results in the things that matter. Not just tell ourselves that we're great. Or sing songs in the fields and on the streets about how we shall overcome and one day be great(once the white man lets us).



I think you should see yourself as equally capable and then go out and be equal. And if you are actually being equal then you will feel equal and won't be able to not see yourself as equal. You seem like someone who is doing that. That's great. There are millions of us who are. But there are way too many of us who are not and they're bringing the numbers down for us as a group. And thus as a group we do not see ourselves as equal, are not treated equally, and do not live equally.

The eternal question then becomes...why? Why are we as a group living less equally than others? Well, thats where the mental slavery part comes in. We are convinced it's because of the white man's white supremacy over our black inferiority. But we are also convinced that our prosperity is dependent on the benevolence and assistance of the white man due to our supremacy over us.

You see what kind of mental trap, or enslavement, that is? And wouldn't it only take a simply choice to get out it?

Man, if I didn't know any better, I'd think this poster wasn't actually black, and was actually just a racist white guy pretending to be black.

EDIT: And he completely refused to even conjure a black person that he recognized as influential. Hell, I at least expected a Thomas Sowell or Ben Carson.

 

[panamaican]

Not to mention, there were African states whose economies were entirely dependent on the slave trade. Suffice it to say, a couple of African Kingdoms collapsed with the abolition of the Atlantic slave trade.

I'm also not sure why @panamaican thinks Africans were entirely ignorant of the treatment of slaves in the New World. It's not like Africans never left Africa. Africa has a long-held tradition of sending it's rulers' children abroad to be educated.

Also, I don't think Americans practised human sacrifice with their slave populations (slaughtering a couple hundred at a time) so, I'm not really sure that African slave treatment can that simply be considered benign by comparison.

I don't recall saying entirely ignorant of. However, I am curious about this idea that African rulers sent their children to the Americas to be educated. I've never heard that and can't seem to source it.

Additionally, I never said benign. I said different and I specified the types of differences.

 

[panamaican]

Says the white liberal. Don't worry I got heat for him. Of course you're still going to back pan because you guys hate black conservatives but I'm not impressed by those low quality arguments.

Man, I've been socially pro-black independence and economically conservative my entire life. I grew up in a house that preferred Malcolm over Martin. I'd read the history of the Black Panther Party before I was 12. Self-reliance as the path to community and individual success is a lesson that was drilled into me from the time I was child. I was reading Sowell by the late 90's. I learned my economic lessons in ways that would probably offend some.

Racially insensitive joke to follow which is how my dad taught us to prioritize our economic decision making.

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In the beginning, God met with the white man, black man and Asian man. He said "I'll give you and your people whatever you want. The white man said "I want the power to control the world." God said "Okay, here you go." The black man said "I want all of the wealth in the world." God said "Okay, here you go." The Asian man said "I want a bunch of brightly colored cloth and the phone number of that N.....".[/quote]

Racially insensitive as jokes go (and one my dad no longer tells) but it was meant to teach a lesson about economic priorities. My dad never told that joke in public, instead he'd tell more socially acceptable lessons to impart economic wisdom to young black men about the economic decisions that separate successful communities from unsuccessful ones.

But intrinsic to the messages that I've picked up over the years, is that you have to love black America to see it grow. As my dad taught us regarding the black community and how to deal with those who might criticize us for publicly expressing a strong pro-black stance:

"I don't hate you. I love me."

I can love black women without having a negative opinion about any other type of woman (obviously in my case). I can promote black businesses without criticizing non-black businesses. I can praise black intelligence without suggesting a lack of intelligence in others.

So when I read your posts, they don't read like someone who loves black America. They read like someone who has a strong dislike for black America. And you can never promote or improve something if you can't bring yourself to praise its strengths.

So, you don't come across as a black conservative to me. Shit, the 2 terms aren't even related. You're black or you're not black. You support conservative economic principles or you don't support conservative economic principles. This appellation of "black conservative" has almost morphed in a concept of black people who believe that being conservative also means publicly shitting on black people. It doesn't. Good conservative principles apply to everyone so if you're going to criticize welfare, it's a criticism of welfare. Not a criticism of black people on welfare. If you're going to criticize abortion - it's a criticism of abortion, not a criticism of black people's intersection with welfare.

Man, I could go on and on about how a black person can be a conservative and still be a strong promoter of his/her community but someone has to want it to make it worthwhile.