Kanye West: "Slavery for 400 years?.....400 years!!!!!...That sounds like a choice!"

[puppybird]

Vietnam was a choice if you think about it

 

[BoxingFan653]

Trumptards are pathetic they can't even see that they are getting chumped by Kanye.

So yet another right wing talking point bites the dust, the whole celebrities are elitist idiots and no real Murican should ever listen to them or take them seriously.

Dude no one cares on the right about Kanye. You take Fox News and social media too seriously. It’s a tiny sample of what’s going on in the big scheme of things

None of my conservative friends are even paying attention to this stuff. Their focus is on bigger things than main stream media BS

We listen to Thomas sowell or Larry elder not Kanye

 

[Andy Capp]

No he was talking about why he deleted his pro Trump tweets last year, he states he did get lyposuction and touched on a point about media pressure to be physically attractive, but he didn't really go into it that much.

He states that the doctors prescribed him 7 pills of opioids per day post procedure, while he was only taking 2 a day while in hospital. He actually takes a not so subtle jab at the pharmaceutical companies and health care system here, why did his dosage go up so much post procedure?

He states that he got hooked on the opioids and it was during this time that he deleted his pro-Trump tweets because he was high on opioids and not in his right mind. He also states that a friend of his warned him about taking opioids because "Thats what they give people to destroy genius", according to his friend. West then states that he cut down on the pills and only took one a week afterwards.

Kanye isn't the easiest guy to understand at times when he's speaking because he's like a stream of consciousness. But mainstream media is taking that 3 minute segment about his taking opioids to make him seem like a hopeless addict. Thats not what he said at all.

He was totally easy to understand. We'll just agree to disagree here. It seemed to me he was making a lot of excuses for things that were totally under his control. Just because they gave him enough to take 7 pills a day didn't mean he had to take them. Surely he wasn't in that much pain.

 

[panamaican]

Plantations usually had dozens of slaves and some had hundreds. At some point we became mentally enslaved and just accepted our conditions. The only way for us to get out of them was through the benevolence and assistance of the white man. And we are still in that mind set today, alot of us anyway.

That's an entirely unfair accounting of what happened. Are you suggesting that black slaves didn't try to overthrow slavery at numerous times during the slave era? That they, as a group, just accepted it? If that is your belief then your knowledge of black history is extremely incomplete. Black slaves tried to escape all of the time, they organized revolts all of the time. You think slaves weren't allowed to have weapons and were lynched and beaten for no reason? That laws requiring the return of runaway slaves to their masters existed because slaves just accepted their condition?

You have a massive gap in your knowledge of black history and it is leading you to draw negative conclusions about those you claim are your people.

Cmon man. If I don't shower for a week are you going to consider me clean just because I define myself as such? Hell, I have been defining myself as black for 10 years and you guys still don't believe me lol.

The things that define a group is not what that group says about themselves. It's what they project to others. Things like education, crime, poverty, behavior, ect. Those are standards in which I am defining black America.

Also, I'm not just being critical to be critical. There is a discussion that Kanye has sparked that's going beyond him a bit. And it's about monolithic thought and mental slavery and how that is affecting the conditions of many of our communities. It's a healthy discussion...or it could be anyways.

If you define yourself as clean, who cares what I think? Unless you're chasing my approval.

And people don't believe you because for someone who defines himself as black you show a notable disregard for black people. You never have anything positive to say about them, only negative things. Even black people in the worst of conditions find something of themselves and other black people to be proud of. You don't. That makes you a massive outlier. We've talked before and no matter how many positive things I say about black people, you only criticize. Never a statement of pride or support.

And you're wrong - the things that define a group is what they say about themselves. What you say about yourself is what you project to others. Any basic mental health professional will tell you that. Your internal dialogue becomes your external reality.

It's disappointing that someone who defines himself as black is incapable of actually discussing the breadth of black accomplishment and spends so much time trying to define black people negatively.

For armchair psychology's sake, you should consider this. Someone who constantly defines himself as something that he does not respect is telegraphing that he/she does not respect him/her-self. If you define yourself as black but you also only see black America from a negative light then you're telling us that you see yourself through that same negative light. You should ruminate on that.

But you can't just call yourself something. You have to be able to live that out or you won't actually believe it yourself. You'll be putting on a front.

The only way we will ever be able to see ourselves as equal, and thus project equal standing and demand equal respect from others, is to actually obtain equal results in the things that matter. Not just tell ourselves that we're great. Or sing songs in the fields and on the streets about how we shall overcome and one day be great(once the white man lets us).

If you don't see yourself as equal already then that's your primary problem. And yes you can call yourself equal to another man and then live it. This is a conversation at a very basic level and it's about self-image.

The rest of that section is absurd, no one's sitting around singing songs and shit.

So, let's just demonstrate a very basic principle here. Can you type something positive about black America that isn't about music, sports, politics or entertainment? Can you highlight one black person today who has excelled in academics or industry?

I think you should see yourself as equally capable and then go out and be equal. And if you are actually being equal then you will feel equal and won't be able to not see yourself as equal. You seem like someone who is doing that. That's great. There are millions of us who are. But there are way too many of us who are not and they're bringing the numbers down for us as a group. And thus as a group we do not see ourselves as equal, are not treated equally, and do not live equally.

The eternal question then becomes...why? Why are we as a group living less equally than others? Well, thats where the mental slavery part comes in. We are convinced it's because of the white man's white supremacy over our black inferiority. But we are also convinced that our prosperity is dependent on the benevolence and assistance of the white man due to our supremacy over us.

You see what kind of mental trap, or enslavement, that is? And wouldn't it only take a simply choice to get out it?

See the previous paragraph.

Highlight a black person who has accomplished something that you think represents something to be proud of.

As for those who are allegedly not - that's bullshit. There are white people who act like trash. White people don't sit around and define themselves by them. There are Asians who are lazy and stupid. Asians don't sit around and define themselves by them. Jamaicans don't and we have a poor country. We define ourselves by our best, not by our worst.

So, the problem that you're highlighting is not a problem of choice or not feeling equal. It's a problem with some black people who spend their time looking for reasons to criticize and put down other black people. They ignore successful black people so that they can go and criticize the struggling.

It's the crabs in a barrel problem writ large. If you spend all of your time telling everyone how shitty black people are, you should ask yourself why you don't spend that time telling them how great black people are. Surely you know great black people, don't they deserve more of your promotion?

In another way, it's the real source of the house slave problem. The problem with the house slave wasn't that he/she was a house slave and had a positive relationship with the owner. It was that the house slave came to see the field slave as less than the house slave. To look at the field slave through the same negative lens that the plantation master perceived them and thus drive a wedge between two groups that were otherwise identical. The house slave wanted to believe there was a difference between them and so exaggerated the field slaves deficits in a misguided attempt to elevate the house slave's merit by comparison. That is a mindset that needs to be broken. Praise your own for what they do well. Stand up for their accomplishments. Be a model worth replicating.

As DuBois stated, it is the exceptional among us who will improve our standing in society and set the model by which we grow ourselves. And anyone who claims to care about the success of black people in this country should be spending their time finding, promoting and trying to become one of those exceptional black people.

So, stop bitching about the unsuccessful people that every other group has and start promoting the successful as every other group does. Change the narrative. Otherwise, you're just dragging black America down as badly as those you criticize.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Oh yeah, just Tweeting out propaganda to 28 million people. No need to check your facts, just pull something off a forum somewhere and see how it goes. Lol.

Once again, the morally superior pretend as if they've superseded the human condition. This is why they can no longer relate to people who make mistakes. They've transcended mistakes.



Is this some God complex? It really is fascinating.

 

[nac386]

Once again, the morally superior pretend as if they've superseded the human condition. This is why they can no longer relate to people who make mistakes. They've transcended mistakes.



Is this some God complex? It really is fascinating.

Me: Tweeting out fake information is irresponsible
You: You have a god complex

Lol.

Spoiler

Lol.

 

[vengeful]

Dude no one cares on the right about Kanye. You take Fox News and social media too seriously. It’s a tiny sample of what’s going on in the big scheme of things

None of my conservative friends are even paying attention to this stuff. Their focus is on bigger things than main stream media BS

We listen to Thomas sowell or Larry elder not Kanye

Fox News and Social Media are a tiny sample of what's going on, so we should believe you because of what the large sample of what you and your friends discuss?

lol

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Me: Tweeting out fake information is irresponsible
You: You have a god complex

Lol.

Spoiler

Lol.

Me: Argues the specifics and accepts the back and forth nature of debate.

You: Runs away from the argument and recreates the entire conversation in your head in the most favorable way possible.

 

[nac386]

Me: Argues the specifics and accepts the back and forth nature of debate.

You: Runs away from the argument and recreates the entire conversation in your head in the most favorable way possible.

Our posts are still there. People can read them.

People need to take responsibility for the propaganda they produce or share. Kanye has 28 million followers, that makes it even more important that he not tweet fake information.

 

[SBJJ]

Didn't Kayne admit to the mistake and take it down?

Jeez. NBC News just blasted out that Trumps lawyer was wiretapped and rolled it back

Weird world when Kayne is held to a higher standard than NBC news

He's a guy who thinks he's smarter than he really is. He will say and do stupid shit at times. And that song with TI is god forsaken horrible

 

[nac386]

Didn't Kayne admit to the mistake and take it down?

Jeez. NBC News just blasted out that Trumps lawyer was wiretapped and rolled it back

Weird world when Kayne is held to a higher standard than NBC news

He's a guy who thinks he's smarter than he really is. He will say and do stupid shit at times. And that song with TI is god forsaken horrible

He's not held to a higher standard than NBC. Everybody is held to the same standard, which is don't Tweet fake stuff.

I've been saying this for a while about the meme thread. People need to take responsibility for sharing lies, it's not for fun. People actually believe that stuff.

 

[Limbo Pete]

That's an entirely unfair accounting of what happened. Are you suggesting that black slaves didn't try to overthrow slavery at numerous times during the slave era? That they, as a group, just accepted it? If that is your belief then your knowledge of black history is extremely incomplete. Black slaves tried to escape all of the time, they organized revolts all of the time. You think slaves weren't allowed to have weapons and were lynched and beaten for no reason? That laws requiring the return of runaway slaves to their masters existed because slaves just accepted their condition?

You have a massive gap in your knowledge of black history and it is leading you to draw negative conclusions about those you claim are your people.




If you define yourself as clean, who cares what I think? Unless you're chasing my approval.

And people don't believe you because for someone who defines himself as black you show a notable disregard for black people. You never have anything positive to say about them, only negative things. Even black people in the worst of conditions find something of themselves and other black people to be proud of. You don't. That makes you a massive outlier. We've talked before and no matter how many positive things I say about black people, you only criticize. Never a statement of pride or support.

And you're wrong - the things that define a group is what they say about themselves. What you say about yourself is what you project to others. Any basic mental health professional will tell you that. Your internal dialogue becomes your external reality.

It's disappointing that someone who defines himself as black is incapable of actually discussing the breadth of black accomplishment and spends so much time trying to define black people negatively.

For armchair psychology's sake, you should consider this. Someone who constantly defines himself as something that he does not respect is telegraphing that he/she does not respect him/her-self. If you define yourself as black but you also only see black America from a negative light then you're telling us that you see yourself through that same negative light. You should ruminate on that.





If you don't see yourself as equal already then that's your primary problem. And yes you can call yourself equal to another man and then live it. This is a conversation at a very basic level and it's about self-image.

The rest of that section is absurd, no one's sitting around singing songs and shit.

So, let's just demonstrate a very basic principle here. Can you type something positive about black America that isn't about music, sports, politics or entertainment? Can you highlight one black person today who has excelled in academics or industry?





See the previous paragraph.

Highlight a black person who has accomplished something that you think represents something to be proud of.

As for those who are allegedly not - that's bullshit. There are white people who act like trash. White people don't sit around and define themselves by them. There are Asians who are lazy and stupid. Asians don't sit around and define themselves by them. Jamaicans don't and we have a poor country. We define ourselves by our best, not by our worst.

So, the problem that you're highlighting is not a problem of choice or not feeling equal. It's a problem with some black people who spend their time looking for reasons to criticize and put down other black people. They ignore successful black people so that they can go and criticize the struggling.

It's the crabs in a barrel problem writ large. If you spend all of your time telling everyone how shitty black people are, you should ask yourself why you don't spend that time telling them how great black people are. Surely you know great black people, don't they deserve more of your promotion?

In another way, it's the real source of the house slave problem. The problem with the house slave wasn't that he/she was a house slave and had a positive relationship with the owner. It was that the house slave came to see the field slave as less than the house slave. To look at the field slave through the same negative lens that the plantation master perceived them and thus drive a wedge between two groups that were otherwise identical. The house slave wanted to believe there was a difference between them and so exaggerated the field slaves deficits in a misguided attempt to elevate the house slave's merit by comparison. That is a mindset that needs to be broken. Praise your own for what they do well. Stand up for their accomplishments. Be a model worth replicating.

As DuBois stated, it is the exceptional among us who will improve our standing in society and set the model by which we grow ourselves. And anyone who claims to care about the success of black people in this country should be spending their time finding, promoting and trying to become one of those exceptional black people.

So, stop bitching about the unsuccessful people that every other group has and start promoting the successful as every other group does. Change the narrative. Otherwise, you're just dragging black America down as badly as those you criticize.

 

[SBJJ]

He's not held to a higher standard than NBC. Everybody is held to the same standard, which is don't Tweet fake stuff.

I've been saying this for a while about the meme thread. People need to take responsibility for sharing lies, it's not for fun. People actually believe that stuff.

Did he not take the stuff down and admit fault?

NBC didn't even admit to fucking up

And yea, judging at the difference in outrage by many, Kayne is held to a higher standard

The guy fucked up. Dudes in here shoot off their mouths before getting shit straight all the time. At least he admitted a mistake, 99% of the WR can't do that

 

[nac386]

Did he not take the stuff down and admit fault?

NBC didn't even admit to fucking up

And yea, judging at the difference in outrage by many, Kayne is held to a higher standard

The guy fucked up. Dudes in here shoot off their mouths before getting shit straight all the time. At least he admitted a mistake, 99% of the WR can't do that

We're in the Kanye thread. So we're talking about Kanye. Yes, people who lie should admit they were wrong.

He was kinda forced to admit he was wrong, since his 28 million followers have google.

 

[nac386]

Wait, did he admit he was wrong and apologize, or did he just delete the Tweet to hide it from public view?

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Wait, did he admit he was wrong and apologize, or did he just delete the Tweet to hide it from public view?

Been agreeing with what you're saying. At the same time tho, he is seeming to be held to a higher standard than even news outlets with the backlash he has gotten.

That being said, anyone who gets political insight or belief reinforcement from Kayne should not be allowed to vote or reproduce.

 

[nac386]

Been agreeing with what you're saying. At the same time tho, he is seeming to be held to a higher standard than even news outlets with the backlash he has gotten.

That being said, anyone who gets political insight or belief reinforcement from Kayne should not be allowed to vote or reproduce.

To me, the standard is that you don't tweet fake information to your millions of followers. That standard applies exactly the same to everyone.

Kanye is getting more passionate backlash because his situation is a current event, and people are more passionate about Kanye than they are about NBC. He's a hero to millions of people, so the response mirrors that amount of passion.

NBC making an error, then retracting it, is business as usual for American media. It's undesirable, but the same thing has been going on since newspapers were invented. There's probably been more than a hundred threads on this forum about fake news and media mistakes, so people definitely care about that.

 

[SBJJ]

We're in the Kanye thread. So we're talking about Kanye. Yes, people who lie should admit they were wrong.

He was kinda forced to admit he was wrong, since his 28 million followers have google.

Yea. I was talking about Kayne. You really need to ease up on this. You come off super moralistic. Like crazy

I'll bring up NBC in the context of discussing Kayne if I choose to.

 

[SBJJ]

Wait, did he admit he was wrong and apologize, or did he just delete the Tweet to hide it from public view?

I thought in the first page people were saying he admited he was wrong. If he didn't come out and speak on it than he's stupid.

U post something wrong. U take it down and admit to screwing up. Goes for Kayne or anyone

 

[nac386]

Yea. I was talking about Kayne. You really need to ease up on this. You come off super moralistic. Like crazy

I'll bring up NBC in the context of discussing Kayne if I choose to.

This is the strangest thing. Have we gotten to the point where it is so normalized to spread lies and propaganda on the Internet that it is actually a bad thing to say how irresponsible it is?