Elections Kamala Harris indicates she might run again

[Alpha_T83]

He was already pretty bad in 2020. Part of what I do for a living is evaluate cognitive decline. You’re just a hack. There were articles written back then pointing out those concerns and the heck’s blew it off as right wing orooaganda.

There is no documented case — before or after World War II — in which either the DNC or RNC ever forced a sitting president to run in a primary for renomination.

You're a fucking moron inventing magical procedures for the DNC to remove Biden when none existed.

The only possible comparable is George Bush Sr. in 1992, in which Reagan (unlike Biden) voluntarily chose to step down and allow the process to take place. And George Bush willingly agreed to hold a primary.

The DNC doesn't even have the power to do what you are saying they should have done. You're an absolute retard.

 

[UberHere]

There is no documented case — before or after World War II — in which either the DNC or RNC ever forced a sitting president to run in a primary for renomination.

You're a fucking moron inventing magical procedures for the DNC to remove Biden when none existed.

Huh?

 

[Alpha_T83]

Huh?

Now you're playing dumb like the little rat bitch you are.

Let me remind you what you've been ranting about in this thread: You believe the DNC should have stepped in and somehow prevented Biden from automatically being granted re-nomination in 2023-2024 when Biden made the unilateral decision to run for re-election.

And I'm explaining to you that the DNC don't have that power. There are no written rules that either prevent or allow the DNC (or the RNC) from denying a sitting president re-nomination automatically, without a primary. Thus, the system relies on norms. As I've been saying this entire time.

That means Biden was the one that got to choose whether he ran for re-election or not, not the DNC. And therefore the entire fiasco is Biden's fault, as I've been saying this entire time.

 

[UberHere]

Now you're playing dumb like the little rat bitch you are.

Let me remind you what you've been ranting about in this thread: You believe the DNC should have stepped in and somehow prevented Biden from automatically being granted re-nomination in 2023-2024 when Biden made the unilateral decision to run for re-election.

And I'm explaining to you that the DNC don't have that power. There are no written rules that either prevent or allow the DNC (or the RNC) from denying a sitting president re-nomination automatically, without a primary. Thus, the system relies on norms. As I've been saying this entire time.

That means Biden was the one that got to choose whether he ran for re-election or not, not the DNC. And therefore the entire fiasco is Biden's fault, as I've been saying this entire time.

You can’t even comprehend what you read.

The DNC did step in you dummy. Why do you think every Democrat candidate simultaneously dropped out of the primary to endorse Biden? You think they all just independently decided to do that?

 

[Alpha_T83]

You can’t even comprehend what you read.

The DNC did step in you dummy. Why do you think every Democrat candidate simultaneously dropped out of the primary to endorse Biden? You think they all just independently decided to do that?

They didn't step in.

Some of the Democrats, individually, confronted Biden about his cognitive decline. And Biden then CHOSE to step down. This wasn't a formal process by the DNC because none existed. There was no formal process brought about which forced Biden to withdraw. The choice was up to him.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Too funny not to post

We need Harris Vs this gangsta

- Mean street posse?

 

[UberHere]

They didn't step in.

Some of the Democrats, individually, confronted Biden about his cognitive decline. And Biden then CHOSE to step down. This wasn't a formal process by the DNC because none existed.

Ok but I’m talking about the primary in 2020

 

[TeTe]

As long as she keeps newsom from being nominated

 

[LeonardoBjj]

I heard she was at her best on her back.

- She is hot. Can deny that

 

[MetalMilitia]

OK genius, what would you have done?

Propose to me what you would have done if you were the DNC. And I will fucking shred your idiotic idea, whatever you propose.

You are making decisions for the DNC in late July 2024, and Biden has just officially withdrawn from running for president. You now have less than 4 months to do something before the November 2024 elections. You tell me what you would have done, and give me realistic timelines for how long you think each step would take. Then I will explain to you why whatever you propose is impossible.

Shred, eh?....

Here’s the thing -- nobody is saying 2024 was a cakewalk. What we’re saying is the “no-fuckin-choice-but-Harris” bullshit was political theater. They didn’t have four months -- they had four fuckin’ years and spent every one pretending Joe would sprint through the finish line. It’s almost comical in retrospect that everyone around him knew about the decline and did nothing. He clearly should’ve been hard stopped for the sake of the (D) and the country. If the people around him didn't see that, then what would lead me to believe they were even capable of making any good decisions?

Let’s put aside whether they were blind or complicit -- either way, it’s elder abuse. A real strategist would’ve been grooming backups (you know -- grooming -- the thing politicians love to do) since the first time the teleprompter froze and Biden blinked “SOS” in fuckin’ Morse code.

But no -- total DNC batshit panic. Pretend the panic is the plan. Pick Kamala, call it “stability” -- then gaslight away...

How about -- Hold a nice stepping down ceremony -- give Joe a salute (they literally could have made Kamala president and inspired hope to carry on) -- How about you lie (they're great at that) -- the health decline was “sudden” -- and hope voters don’t notice the strings. They could’ve run lightning round conventions, split tickets with swing state governors -- hell, even rolled a unity candidate to reel in independents -- But that would’ve required humility, and humility polls worse than STDs in DC.

So spare me the fuckin’ “it was impossible” routine. The only thing "impossible" was the DNC admitting it built a system so brittle and backed by people hoping no one would notice severe mental decline... so stupid it had no backup plan... and so arrogant it skipped democratic proceedings altogether -- that the result was inevitable.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Nah you’re either not from here or just full of shit. Which one is it? They didn’t have a property primary since Obama

Ok but I’m talking about the primary in 2020

This is just nonsense that you're making up to confuse the argument.

The Democratic Party held a full and competitive primary process in 2020. Starting in early 2019, more than two dozen candidates declared their intention to seek the nomination.

"Despite disruptions caused by the COVID-19 pandemic, the DNC maintained the integrity of the delegate-based process, with each state participating in selecting pledged delegates to the Democratic National Convention. After a series of televised debates and pivotal contests—particularly South Carolina and the Super Tuesday primaries—Joe Biden consolidated support and secured a delegate majority by June 2020."

The only change from prior years was that the DNC was held virtually in August 2020, due to the pandemic, to formally ratify Biden's nomination. If you're going to call that "not a valid DNC [primary]" then you're just grasping at straws here.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Shred, eh?....

Here’s the thing -- nobody is saying 2024 was a cakewalk. What we’re saying is the “no-fuckin-choice-but-Harris” bullshit was political theater. They didn’t have four months -- they had four fuckin’ years and spent every one pretending Joe would sprint through the finish line. It’s almost comical in retrospect that everyone around him knew about the decline and did nothing. He clearly should’ve been hard stopped for the sake of the (D) and the country. If the people around him didn't see that, then what would lead me to believe they were even capable of making any good decisions?

Let’s put aside whether they were blind or complicit -- either way, it’s elder abuse. A real strategist would’ve been grooming backups (you know -- grooming -- the thing politicians love to do) since the first time the teleprompter froze and Biden blinked “SOS” in fuckin’ Morse code.

But no -- total DNC batshit panic. Pretend the panic is the plan. Pick Kamala, call it “stability” -- then gaslight away...

How about -- Hold a nice stepping down ceremony -- give Joe a salute (they literally could have made Kamala president and inspired hope to carry on) -- How about you lie (they're great at that) -- the health decline was “sudden” -- and hope voters don’t notice the strings. They could’ve run lightning round conventions, split tickets with swing state governors -- hell, even rolled a unity candidate to reel in independents -- But that would’ve required humility, and humility polls worse than STDs in DC.

So spare me the fuckin’ “it was impossible” routine. The only thing "impossible" was the DNC admitting it built a system so brittle and backed by people hoping no one would notice severe mental decline... so stupid it had no backup plan... and so arrogant it skipped democratic proceedings altogether -- that the result was inevitable.

You see, you instantly committed a dishonest debate tactic violation by re-framing the argument.

You're flat out wrong that they had 4 years. There are no DNC rules that allow them to forcibly deny a sitting president re-nomination. The system relies on norms and it was 100% up to Joe Biden to decide to run for re-election. That's it. And only Joe Biden knew how bad his cognitive decline was. He chose not to exit gracefully like Reagan did, and it created a fiasco.

This whole situation was created because Joe Biden refused to step down earlier and exit gracefully. Blaming the DNC is just naive and infantile.

 

[Rob Battisti]

@Islam Imamate you see where Trump said he’s not running again? Care to say you’re a dum dum now?

 

[Corona]

As long as she keeps newsom from being nominated

GOATsom can’t be stopped. He surely won the black vote with his recent podcast with Matt Barnes

 

[TeTe]

GOATsom can’t be stopped. He surely won the black vote with his recent podcast with Matt Barnes

He's a master of self promotion for sure. But as entertaining as his trump rants are he'll get into office and try to run this country as the anti trumpet and go offs the rails to the left

 

[MetalMilitia]

You see, you instantly committed a dishonest debate tactic violation by re-framing the argument.

You're flat out wrong that they had 4 years. There are no DNC rules that allow them to forcibly deny a sitting president re-nomination. The system relies on norms and it was 100% up to Joe Biden to decide to run for re-election. That's it. And only Joe Biden knew how bad his cognitive decline was. He chose not to exit gracefully like Reagan did, and it created a fiasco.

This whole situation was created because Joe Biden refused to step down earlier and exit gracefully. Blaming the DNC is just naive and infantile.

I think we're overlapping a lot of shared sentiment here, sir.

Yeah -- technically the DNC couldn’t forcibly stop a sitting president from running again. Biden had to make that call himself -- and he didn’t.

You don’t need a rulebook to recognize cognitive decline when yer watching it every day. (I got a grandpa in hospice -- it's fuckin' terrible) Reports now go back and show aides were purposely limiting appearances -- scripting everything -- and shielding him from long events for a reason. So while “the DNC couldn’t remove him” might be true on paper -- pretending they were powerless is still nonsense.

They could’ve planned for this -- done the grooming... test the waters with anyone really (no rule against that) and kept it quiet... Not like Biden would have known.

Going to go watch 'Weekend at Bernies' now -- seems like it's where the (D) got their playbook.

 

[shunyata]

It's quite clear that America is not ready to elect a female President. Even the DEMs aren't stupid enough to trot her out again.

Progressives love AOC but they're not the majority of the party. Neither her nor Kamala is winning primaries in the south.

Realistically to win the general election they need a charismatic white guy.

That leaves Gavin and Pete.

 

[Crazy Source]

Progressives love AOC but they're not the majority of the party. Neither her nor Kamala is winning primaries in the south.

Realistically to win the general election they need a charismatic straight white guy.

That leaves Gavin.

FTFY. Not saying there aren't other charismatic white guys in the party, just saying a gay guy isn't going to win, at least not at the top of the ticket. Pete may win if he bottoms.

 

[AmonTobin]

Red herring to draw fire from Republican advertising and counter programming, just like they did when republicans focussed on Biden, not knowing that Harris would be taking the lead as VP. “Fool me once…”

 

[Alpha_T83]

I think we're overlapping a lot of shared sentiment here, sir.

Yeah -- technically the DNC couldn’t forcibly stop a sitting president from running again. Biden had to make that call himself -- and he didn’t.

You don’t need a rulebook to recognize cognitive decline when yer watching it every day. (I got a grandpa in hospice -- it's fuckin' terrible) Reports now go back and show aides were purposely limiting appearances -- scripting everything -- and shielding him from long events for a reason. So while “the DNC couldn’t remove him” might be true on paper -- pretending they were powerless is still nonsense.

They could’ve planned for this -- done the grooming... test the waters with anyone really (no rule against that) and kept it quiet... Not like Biden would have known.

Going to go watch 'Weekend at Bernies' now -- seems like it's where the (D) got their playbook.

I think the big issue is that there is really no clear policy for US presidents to be removed from office due to cognitive decline.

Biden obviously should have been removed from office probably at some point in 2023. But there's no clear cut constitutional or congressionally mandated statute that produces independent, non-partisan assessments of presidential mental fitness. And on top of that, you would need not only mandatory, independent assessments of mental fitness, but also enforcement mechanisms that remove the president from office without the president having the authority to veto such a move.

And we are potentially heading for the same problem with Trump. He's already looking cognitively declined in 2025 compared to 2024. If this decline becomes a clear trend, who is going to remove him from power? At least for Republicans Trump can't run for re-election in 2028, so that problem is solved.