Just rewatched Fedor versus Werdum

moreorless87 said:
Sorry but your just talking about latter day UFC hype there, Nogs boxing defence by MMA standards was very good indeed and he actually took very few clean big punches standing in Pride, go and watch his fight with Sergei for example who destroyed guys like Rizzo, Ninja and Overeem in that era brutally yet could not land anything big on Nog(who did unlike Werdum actually enguage him standing wans wasn't shooting for takeodwns constantly).
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MMA math never works and Nogueira was never a great boxer. He had decent hands and that's it.
 
King Cobra said:
Yes, Nog looked slick with his defense against Sergei. I will give you that. But Sergei was also very cautious of being taken down so of course he did not want to over extend his attack. Plus he could not land anything big because Nog was great at countering while taking shots due to his granite chin and Sergie did not want to risk getting countered and caught.

I think all those fights took a toll on Big Nog which deteriorated his reflexes little by little.
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For sure. But man, Big Nog was really a human punching bag. I'm still amazed by the amount of punishment that guy took in his career and was still a decent fighter for many years.
 
Redhawks100 said:
Beating Coleman, Randleman, Sylvia, and Arlovski makes you GOAT?

LOL please stop
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Typical noob Fedor hater. Insecure that something happened before your time.

Did you know that Arlovski was ranked #2 in the world when Fedor KOed him? (Guess who was ranked #1?)
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Exactly. It's easy yet disengenuous to discredit top fighters after they've hit their inevitable decline and retirement. All those guys were top of the food chain at the time when Fedor beat them.

I'm not sure how a guy so polite and respectful out of the cage/ring yet a complete animal from bell to bell gets any hate.

It's the nature of the internet I suppose...

Also, no mention of Cro Cop or Big Nog?!?
Mr Wings said:
Typical noob Fedor hater. Insecure that something happened before your time.

Did you know that Arlovski was ranked #2 in the world when Fedor KOed him? (Guess who was ranked #1?)
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DragRacer said:
Exactly. It's easy yet disengenuous to discredit top fighters after they've hit their inevitable decline and retirement. All those guys were top of the food chain at the time when Fedor beat them.

I'm not sure how a guy so polite and respectful out of the cage/ring yet a complete animal from bell to bell gets any hate.

It's the nature of the internet I suppose...

Also, no mention of Cro Cop or Big Nog?!?
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Great point about Fedor being a gentleman. Agreed with the rest of your points as well.

Big Nog and CC were legacy defining wins for Fedor without a doubt. I was just talking Arlovski cause the Fedor hater was saying Arlovski wasn't a big win.
 
Werdum was never hurt in the exchange. He was clearly playing possum. It's doubtful that an actual shot even precipitated the fall.
 
Yeah no doubt. Arlovski was a huge win at the time. The consensus #2 and riding a nice 5 fight streak including KOing both the anvil-headed Roy Nelson (kinda) and Ben Rothwell who was on a 13 fight win streak himself, and 10-0 Jake Obrien after decisioning Werdum in his farewell UFC fight.

Plus that walk away KO was legendary haha

Mr Wings said:
Great point about Fedor being a gentleman. Agreed with the rest of your points as well.

Big Nog and CC were legacy defining wins for Fedor without a doubt. I was just talking Arlovski cause the Fedor hater was saying Arlovski wasn't a big win.
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DragRacer said:
Yeah no doubt. Arlovski was a huge win at the time. The consensus #2 and riding a nice 5 fight streak including KOing both the anvil-headed Roy Nelson (kinda) and Ben Rothwell who was on a 13 fight win streak himself, and 10-0 Jake Obrien after decisioning Werdum in his farewell UFC fight.

Plus that walk away KO was legendary haha
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vintagemmafan said:
No sorry I think you're a delusional UFC fan that believes all the talking points on this site from other delusional young UFC fans that weren't fans when Fedor was competing because if you or the stooges that perpetuate this crap were around when he was on top you would know that he fought Nogueira 3 times and each of those times he dove into his guard as to challenge Nogueira to submit him which he wasn't able to do because Fedor was pounding his head in,Fedor wasn't throwing wild wide looping punches like he did in his win over Rogers and losses,he was very calculated and precise in what he did,after the Arlovski fight he became
completely reckless and nearly lost to Rogers,for you to say that he fought aggressive as he always did just shows that you don't know shit and are simply parrotting the ignorant opinions of young UFC fans on this site.
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I am not delusional nothing. I've been watching MMA since 1993. The one here that is delusional is you who obviously wants to be Fedor's lover but unfortunately for you Fedor does not roll that way buddy. Your worshiping of the man is what makes you delusional.

And this was the case on here back then around 2005 and on with your weirdos.
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Vintersorg said:
For sure. But man, Big Nog was really a human punching bag. I'm still amazed by the amount of punishment that guy took in his career and was still a decent fighter for many years.
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That's what I'm saying. His defense was okay at times but many times he was just taking shot after shot. He took shots from Tim Sylvia and Frank Mir which got him in trouble. Fedor knocked him down in their first fight.

Fedor never fought a real boxer that would had avoided his punches more. Rampage is someone that comes to mind as a fighter that would had given Fedor issues back then.
Yup I said it.
 
Redhawks100 said:
MMA math never works and Nogueira was never a great boxer. He had decent hands and that's it.
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The usual dishonest crap from you, how exactly is that "MMAth" its giving an example of Nog fighting a dangerous striker and showing excellent defence standing, MMAth would be if he'd just taken Sergei down without exchanging and won the fight on the ground.

As far as Werdum/Nog goes I think in terms of grappling at least the 2006 fight is much more relevant, Nog was obviously much closer to his best and Werdum was less than a year from winning ADCC and a multiple time BJJ champ. You can even see several situations in that fight that are similar but Nog second time around doesn't have the agility/sharpness to pull them off and ends up in a bad position then getting subbed.

Personally I think Werdum has a case for being te better "position then submission" sub fighter in MMA but in terms of getting a sub from their backs or during a scamble theres not much betweeh them.
 
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King Cobra said:
That's what I'm saying. His defense was okay at times but many times he was just taking shot after shot. He took shots from Tim Sylvia and Frank Mir which got him in trouble. Fedor knocked him down in their first fight.

Fedor never fought a real boxer that would had avoided his punches more. Rampage is someone that comes to mind as a fighter that would had given Fedor issues back then.
Yup I said it.
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Pathetic and grasping at straws. Cro cop was one of the best MMA strikers if not the best back then.


Too bad you know nothing about striking.
 
Weak Champs who don't defend titles and you guys praise them...Then you have Champs who have defended for years and you fans(what have you done for me lately) crap all over them.

Bahahahahah
 
King Cobra said:
That's what I'm saying. His defense was okay at times but many times he was just taking shot after shot. He took shots from Tim Sylvia and Frank Mir which got him in trouble. Fedor knocked him down in their first fight.

Fedor never fought a real boxer that would had avoided his punches more. Rampage is someone that comes to mind as a fighter that would had given Fedor issues back then.
Yup I said it.
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Rampage's defence was not as good as Nogs back in the day, he depended much more on his chin and indeed very specifically stated he didn't want to fight Fedor.

By the time Nog was in the UFC he was clearly on his way down, look at the difference between his fights vs Herring, looked worse again vs SYlvia and then aweful vs Mir. If anyone can watch the latetr especially and say that's the same level of performance as he gave in Pride then either they have no idea what there watching or are wantonly dishonest.

Some of Fedor's offence was cover for looking for the clinch of course and not aimed very well but a lot of it wasn't and the fact it was often in the form of big looping shots is not a negative, just look at JDS's offence for example and how effective that is. The nature of MMA with smaller gloves makes such punchs a lot more effective, watch Fedor/Goodridge for example, almost the first punch Fedor throw sneaks around Goodridges high guard and rocks him setting up everything that follows.
 
Dana_is_your_GOD said:
Pathetic and grasping at straws. Cro cop was one of the best MMA strikers if not the best back then.


Too bad you know nothing about striking.
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You obviously don't know jack shit about boxing.

There are solid strikers who has mediocre boxing defense. That is the reason why Overeem wins the K-1 GP but then gets knock out by Big Foot.

Cro Cop's boxing defense was good but he would not utilize it as well in MMA because of his caution in being taken down, which is why he got dropped by Randleman of all people.

So yeah, I know way more about striking than your basement dwelling self does.
 
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