Just re-watched GSP vs Hendricks:

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48-47 GSP.

You can't give Johnny that first round unless you just a GSP hater and really want him to lose.

The scoring is round by round. The points scored off facial damage that happens in one round does not carry over into the next. What don't people understand? This isn't pride. This isn't entire fight judging. The look at his face argument is weak.

I'll take the opinion of Matt Brown why is the one fight he wants to run back is Johnny Hendricks afterr USADA? Because Matt was Johnny's last opponent before USADA. Then Johnny and Weidman jumped off a cliff and decided to race to see who hit the floor faster.

Also GSP has dropped plenty of people with punches. Bisping and terminator Fitch immediately come to mind. I remember him kicking Hughes in the head dropping him like a sack of potatoes.

 

[Prologue]

1) GSP probably has power, but likely favors precision over power. And his precision is very precise.



2) Scar tissue probably plays into this a bit, but GSP was pretty dominant during his career, so it's hard to say how much scar tissue is there. Don't know how his sparring/training sessions go either.

3) People make a lot of allegations about Hendricks' PED use, but I don't think he's been caught, so they hold about as much weight as the allegations people throw at GSP for PEDs. Would I be surprised if Hendrick pissed hot? No. But would I be surprised if GSP pissed hot? Also no.

That said, will always be a GSP fan. And sure Hendricks probably should have won that fight, but this comes from someone that watched it on TV with Joe Rogan calling it with his own biases of the fight. I can at least see that if you're watching it ringside, with less than great angles, and without Joe Rogan in your ear, you could score 1, 3, and 5 for GSP. And if Hendricks was even just a little less salty about the loss and took it with an ounce of class, I'd probably be a fan. Hendricks' inability to let it go kind of soured me on him.

 

[mirko>anyone]

That was a perfect WW title fight if I ever saw one, such a shame we never got to see them go once more. There was so much talk and speculation about PEDs coming into the fight. Maybe it's just me, but GSP did seem to lack a bit of power that night. He does bruise easily but Hendricks won the fight, IMO. And I prefer GSP by far, but Hendricks was terrifying while he had "it".

RIP Chuck

 

[G10]

Slow down, I know this thread has been done a 100 times. But 99 times out of those 100, its full of useless shit talking about if GSP is the GOAT or not. Looking for actual talk about the fight. Specifically:

1) There's been talk of GSP lacking power, especially in that fight. Do you buy that?

2) GSP face looked much worse than Hendricks. I heard old scar tissue can cause that. What are your thoughts?

3) I thought Hendricks had been popped by USADA, but looking I cant find any records stating he has. Since speculation is illegal, ill ask it this way: Do you think the guys were on an even playing field supplement wise?

Finally, to discern a bit of bias, do you like Hendricks or GSP more?


Hoping to have an actual answers here and not 10 pages of memes.

FtR, I like GSP much more than Hendricks.

1. It's hard to say how much of that fight was impacted by GSP's lack of power or Hendricks' insane durability. I don't believe that GSP is a necessarily weak striker; most of the time, he just tries to out think and game plan his opponents, rather than KO them. He's certainly no power-puncher, though. As for Hendricks, he was a very tough, durable fighter back then, as evidenced by his later fights with Lawler. Even if GSP was a more powerful striker, I'm not sure how much it would've mattered here.

2. The scar tissue thing makes sense. Also, some guys just show damage on their skin more easily. Ees normal.

3. I don't think it's fair to speculate who was or wasn't on PEDs unless they actually pop for them. That said, there are a lot of before/after pics of Hendricks pre and post USADA. Factoring those, along with the sudden drop in his performance after USADA became more regularly implemented, then I think there's a strong possibility that he was. Again, I don't want to have an opinion on it either way.

 

[bad mojo]

RIP Chuck

Death is life, brother. Always will be.

 

[dc007]

I used to think Hendricks was a culprit, now i just think it was the IV ban that fucked him more.

I don't know. He should have improved at MW and he sucked even worse there. I think he's the poster boy for post USADA failure.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

Hendricks coasting in the 5th and cost him a razor thin decision... /end of story. Jonny became champ right after by finishing the full 25 minutes and years later GSP would be champ-champ...

 

[sampuncher]

I don't know. He should have improved at MW and he sucked even worse there. I think he's the poster boy for post USADA failure.

Im not ruling it out purely because at least other guys in question like Weidman have got some wins since USADA.

It is a spectacular fall from grace to giving GSP his closest ever fight to getting KOd in BKFC ill give you that.

 

[mirko>anyone]

Death is life, brother. Always will be.

Just one of those bands that never get old. Ever.

And all 7 albums are incredible. I usually get shat on for saying it, but their last 2 are my favorite.

 

[dc007]

Im not ruling it out purely because at least other guys in question like Weidman have got some wins since USADA.

It is a spectacular fall from grace to giving GSP his closest ever fight to getting KOd in BKFC ill give you that.

Wasn't that KO handed to him by a gay porn star too?

 

[sampuncher]

Big Rigg retired GSP. The most complete WW ever

Why would you say most complete?

He had good wrestling and a strong left hand but thats it, he didnt ever show any real BJJ skills, rarely threw kicks other than the occasional inside leg and lacked self discipline massively.

He was definitely solid in his prime but most complete ever? I dunno.

 

[pamirec]

Hendricks certainly seemed to land the harder blows, but I often wonder if looks can be deceiving. I haven't professionally fought.

Imagine if Johny had gone 100%.

 

[sampuncher]

Wasn't that KO handed to him by a gay porn star too?

I didnt know that but if its true, jesus.

Hendricks must look back on the GSP fight these days like Ben Stiller at the end of dodgeball.

 

[bad mojo]

Just one of those bands that never get old. Ever.

And all 7 albums are incredible. I usually get shat on for saying it, but their last 2 are my favorite.

Absolutely. Been a fan since 1993. "Symbolic" is my all-time no1, so I can wholeheartedly agree with you, Sherbro.

 

[Straatblaffer]

I barely remember it because GSP fights put me to sleep.

As for #5..... Johnny may have won BUT, the old rule of, “You must beat the champ”. applies.

Yoel beat Robert the 2nd time but unfortunately it wasn’t enough to take a belt away.

A fair rule in my opinion.

Its a fair rule? Its not a rule and honestly a stupid statement. Hendricks beat GSP, Reyes beat Jones, Yoel beat Robert. Bad decisions and sports go hand in hand, but "to be the champ, you have to beat the champ" is pretty crazy. I mean, you score a fight round by round. If fighter A wins the round, you give him 10 points. If it's too close to call, its a draw.

 

[dc007]

I didnt know that but if its true, jesus.

Hendricks must look back on the GSP fight these days like Ben Stiller at the end of dodgeball.

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haha and I just checked wiki and yes, he's a former gay porn star

 

[OrigFan255]

Its a fair rule? Its not a rule and honestly a stupid statement. Hendricks beat GSP, Reyes beat Jones, Yoel beat Robert. Bad decisions and sports go hand in hand, but "to be the champ, you have to beat the champ" is pretty crazy. I mean, you score a fight round by round. If fighter A wins the round, you give him 10 points. If it's too close to call, its a draw.

Slow down brother!
Scoring and judging is subjective.... It shouldn’t be but the fact that 2 professional judges score a fight exactly the opposite says it is subjective.

 

[TheMessiah]

Why would you say most complete?

He had good wrestling and a strong left hand but thats it, he didnt ever show any real BJJ skills, rarely threw kicks other than the occasional inside leg and lacked self discipline massively.

He was definitely solid in his prime but most complete ever? I dunno.

He had excellent leg kick and punch combinations. He was also extremely strong in the clinch. He had some of the best dirty boxing in the UFC at the time. Self discipline has nothing to do with his fighting skills in the octagon

 

[markys00]

1. GSP has power, but doesn't throw KO blows often.

2. GSP definitely has scar tissue but who gives a fuck who's face was more bruised.

3. Not speculating on steroids, but Hendricks is the first example of being terrible post USADA

4. I like GSP more. He's one of my 5 favorites of all time, and arguably the GOAT.

5. GSP lost to Hendricks and everyone not deepthroating him knows it.

ur last sentence makes u sound dumb and ignorant, and basically makes all ur points invalid....

and back to the thread

either guy could have won that night. i thought hendricks deserved the win, but its no robbery. i was on the verge on calling it a robbery that night, but i knew it wasnt. its just that we never seen gsp meet his match so closely ever before really.. hughes and serra losses arent very good examples.

man, i like gsp more overall, but when rigg was in his prime i think i was rooting for him to the win that night. gsp might the best ever, despite his losses, although jones might be ahead of him at this point and if khabib keeps going he could easily surpass him

 

[BEER]

I watched the fight twice, neither of which were live.

Both times, I had a hard time scoring the fight fight Hendricks. It was pretty close, but I felt like GSP won three clear rounds, and Hendricks won two clear rounds. Neither had a 10-8. A 48-47 for GSP is entirely appropriate.

I just think that people got so accustomed to GSP just being dominant that they gave extra credit to Hendricks for being competitive.