Judo throws and sweeps in BJJ

[Q mystic]

Shinya Aoki nails Osoto often in Gi and No-Gi. And he actually does it fairly textbook. He's one of the only guys that I've seen do Osoto consistently without the gi. He even did a huge one in ADCC 2005.

Osoto, from what little I have seen, is quite common in grappling from judoka. Jis-a-jump-to-the-right, pull-osoto.

 

[Drew Foster]

The over shoulder grip+uchi mata will launch guys in that stance man.

YYES

 

[Drew Foster]

Osoto, from what little I have seen, is quite common in grappling from judoka. Jis-a-jump-to-the-right, pull-osoto.

It is with a gi, BUUTTTT.....


No gii is a different animal for us that have a Judo background, and without a gi, Osoto is VERY difficult to pull off and there are many other "safer bet" throws to count on. Plus, even if you can do it in no gi, most often it's pretty ugly. I was saying how impressive it is that Aoki can pull off beautiful osotos without a gi.

 

[FLMikeATT]

How effective is sumi gaeshi in competition? I've seen it used a few times in MMA, but I haven't really seen it in Judo or BJJ competition. I see a lot more Tomo nage's though.

It's basically a butterfly guard sweep from standing. I noticed they drilled it a ton on the BJJ Fight Quest episode.

 

[Q mystic]

It is with a gi, BUUTTTT.....


No gii is a different animal for us that have a Judo background, and without a gi, Osoto is VERY difficult to pull off and there are many other "safer bet" throws to count on. Plus, even if you can do it in no gi, most often it's pretty ugly. I was saying how impressive it is that Aoki can pull off beautiful osotos without a gi.

We should have a look to see if osoto similar tech works in freestyle. I'll keep an eye open.

 

[blanko]

the georgian pickup seems to be perfect for jiu jitsu

 

[codemonkey76]

you did JJJ before BJJ IIRC codemonkey

any throws you kept?

the only one i have been abe to use with success is tai otoshi. Most of the throws were done against a compliant uke, so i have no good setups or combo's

 

[blanko]

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[Drew Foster]

We should have a look to see if osoto similar tech works in freestyle. I'll keep an eye open.

yea lemme know man. I don't keep up with wrestling that much.

 

[Balto]

How effective is sumi gaeshi in competition? I've seen it used a few times in MMA, but I haven't really seen it in Judo or BJJ competition. I see a lot more Tomo nage's though.

It's basically a butterfly guard sweep from standing. I noticed they drilled it a ton on the BJJ Fight Quest episode.

I find it to be very effective. I pull it off a lot.

A good time to try this is when your opponent grabs a single leg on you. If his finish isn't quick enough, you can hook your leg inside the thigh, grab his belt over the shoulder, hop close to him, and counter with sumi gaeshi.

 

[makoa26]

I wanna see a bjjer that has well rounded nice throws that didn't do official judo.

Like Thales Leites?

There is a system that judo should offer that makes you a base out fighter for throws.

You know what I really wish for? I wish there were some kind of new mixed Judo/BJJ competition. Old school Judo was cool. They should bring back more ne-waza. BJJ rules let you fall to your back and start grappling. If they would penalize guard pulling by awarding the takedown to their opponent, I believe that we would see some exciting throws in BJJ. I'm pretty sure the hard core Jits guys would disagree, but I think it would be great.

 

[Throatpoker]

^ I agree, really like to see this too.

 

[blanko]

You know what I really wish for? I wish there were some kind of new mixed Judo/BJJ competition. Old school Judo was cool. They should bring back more ne-waza. BJJ rules let you fall to your back and start grappling. If they would penalize guard pulling by awarding the takedown to their opponent, I believe that we would see some exciting throws in BJJ. I'm pretty sure the hard core Jits guys would disagree, but I think it would be great.

you do get penalized for pulling guard. You give up an advantage if you pull guard and in many fights the winner wins by advantage.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Everybody uses an osoto-gari, hell they tech them in karate classes.

 

[sunnycoastbjj]

He meant like footsweeps lol

Lol thanks for clearing that up! (and making me look like a complete fool!):redface:

 

[sunnycoastbjj]

you do get penalized for pulling guard. You give up an advantage if you pull guard and in many fights the winner wins by advantage.

I wasn't aware of that.. Is that rule in the mundials too?

 

[trunksan]

Despite having started from BJJ, now I train BJJ and Judo equaly.

When we do stand-up in BJJ it's my chance to try the more fancy stuff, Sode-trurikomi goshi, sei-ototshi variatons...... Uchi mata I don't use yet, althouh it would easily work in BJJ class.

Basicaly everything works for me in BJJ standing-up, simply because your average-BJJer (up to purple belt and even black belts) is very inexperienced.

Just as ground-work is usually badly-taguht in Judo.. equally stand-up is badly taught in BJJ.

 

[Nickynoneck]

How effective is sumi gaeshi in competition? I've seen it used a few times in MMA, but I haven't really seen it in Judo or BJJ competition. I see a lot more Tomo nage's though.

It's basically a butterfly guard sweep from standing. I noticed they drilled it a ton on the BJJ Fight Quest episode.

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this is me winning with sumi gaeshi

 

[trunksan]

....and the single leg (Kutsiki daoshi) is never taught properly in BJJ.....

Try it without holding the sleeve against an experienced opponent and it never works...

 

[codemonkey76]

you do get penalized for pulling guard. You give up an advantage if you pull guard and in many fights the winner wins by advantage.

i have only competed in 4 tournaments, but each of them did not penalize guard pulling with an advantage... Unless you grab the guys pants before he pulls guard, then you get 2 pts for the takedown. Also if the guy pulls guard because it looks likely that you will get a takedown, like if you are attempting a throw, then you get 2pts for the TD