Both will give you a leg up over having neither. And thats about it. Either one should work on an untrained guy. But than again, it might not, because crazy shit happens on "the street" like multiple people and surprise attacks.
Judo or Wrestling for self defence
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No need to get defensive, you didn't understand what I wrote. I'll rephrase, just for you:
The concern about fighting Judoka's in the clinch is that you don't know how good that particular Judoka is close up. He might be a Judoka that works better on sweeps from the outside, or he might be a Judoka with a very strong clinch game.
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osoto gari - throw a flurry of weak punch sidestep, clothesline the mofo and go for the reap
soei nage - wait for the big punch to come grab it and use his momentum to throw him
morote gari/double leg, te guruma/fireman lift, ura nage/lateral drop
ok this is never gonna end what you have in wrestling, we have a slightly different variation in judo. it works both ways.
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The most effective techniques are found in just about all grappling arts, the double leg, hip throw etc. So either style has self defense applications using similar techniques.
If I have to choose one of the two listed, I'd give Judo the edge because training judo you will learn submissions/ground fighting.
Of course BJJ/GJJ has all of the above and more. I'd go with BJJ
If I have to choose one of the two listed, I'd give Judo the edge because training judo you will learn submissions/ground fighting.
Of course BJJ/GJJ has all of the above and more. I'd go with BJJ
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If you have Judo or Wrestling you will have a upper hand,the fight wont even have to go to the ground.
No they make perfect sense, the well rounded one wins.
I'd agree with that ... and most of the other 5% is mentally being used to going against someone who's going full out against you, which happens in both judo and wrestling.
Not that simple. On the pure definition of it, a greco guy will be better than a freestyle guy in the clinch simply because the greco guy spends much more time training the clinch than a freestyle guy. This means that, if the greco guy can secure the clinch, then he will, by definition, have a real advantage there.
However, if the freestyle guy can stay away from the clinch, then he will, by definition, have an advantage.
So it doesn't make sense to make broad generalizations, even ones that say the more well rounded one wins. They are too many factors to just generalize.
Well thats great that he will have an advantage there, but I dont really care. If you want to be the best mma fighter you train everything, specialise once your really good and know your strenghts and weaknesses. If you want to be the best freestyle wrestler, train freestyle wrestling. What your saying is "if the striker can keep the distance and stop the takedown, he'll have a real big advantage" - yeah he will, but in everything else he wont. Might work for some to specialise, but for most being well rounded is better.
Greco/judo might be better than it seems in mma, as with the cage you can push the guy against it and use it from there, or use it for striking, but freestyle is still much more important.
If both are equally talented, train equally etc, then the more well rounded one wins.
Maybe you think the more well rounded fighters are those that suck at everything, its not like that, if your a really good well rounded guy, you train each thing seperately.
Greco/judo might be better than it seems in mma, as with the cage you can push the guy against it and use it from there, or use it for striking, but freestyle is still much more important.
If both are equally talented, train equally etc, then the more well rounded one wins.
Maybe you think the more well rounded fighters are those that suck at everything, its not like that, if your a really good well rounded guy, you train each thing seperately.
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used this not long ago at a party admittedly the guy was quite drunk but alot bigger than me.he threw a wild stiff arm hay maker,i covered up then wrapped my arm around his and threw the seoi,his back was still sore a week later-and it was only on grass.
You're getting farther from the point here. When you train in every area, by definition, you are not going to be as strong as a guy who trains in specifically one single aspect of grappling, in that aspect. For example, a freestyle wrestler trains all aspects of stand up wrestling, while the Greco guy focuses on the clinch. While this may make the freestyler more well rounded than the Greco guy, it will leave him at a disadvantage against a Greco guy in the clinch, simply because thats the Greco guys home.
No, that is not at all what I am saying. What you're saying is that freestyle wrestling is better than greco, and in your subsequent arguments, you insinuate that freestyler would beat a Greco guy based on the fact that he is more well rounded. What I am saying is that they are both great arts, with advantages and disadvantages, and therefore are equal, and one should not be recommended over the other, as you did earlier. Regardless, do you have a wrestling background? I ask this because you would know how many lower body attacks are actually set up from the clinch.
You go on to make the argument that the more well rounded fighter wins, without taking into consideration where the fight will end up. Maybe the Greco guy will get the clinch. It is not as simple as you declaring that the guy who trains more aspects of fighting wins, simply because you don't know where the fight will end up. Also saying that one art is better for MMA is also not an accurate statement. A freestyle guy can use plenty of lower body attacks of the cage as well.
No, I'm not thinking anything like that. However, I do believe that a person who trains in solely one aspect of fighting will be better at that aspect than a guy who trains all aspects. To make my point here clearer, let me make an example: A pure BJJ black belt vs a MMA fighter with a purple and with 5 years of Karate. Now, since the MMA fighter is more well rounded, by your argument, he will have a big chance to beat the black belt. However, you are missing the variable that is most important: Where will the fight end up? If it is taken to the ground, the black belt is definitely favored. Similarly, if the fight is standing, the guy with the stand up experience has the advantage.
I use this example to demonstrate the same situation in Greco vs Freestyle vs Judo, with the only variables being wrestling in the clinch, and wrestling on the outside.
Summarized version: A freestyle wrestler defends arts hes never done.
Look boxing is great, but a boxer will loose to a shitty mma figter. Ok I dont know if the boxer will knock him out, chances are hes gonna loose.
Im not saying greco sucks, I live in a country where all we do is greco, therefore I have to ask freestyle wrestling questions here all the time... the setups are important, but still different, the important things are different... A greco guy is stronger and better conditioned etc.
"You go on to make the argument that the more well rounded fighter wins, without taking into consideration where the fight will end up." - if both fighters are equally good at their sports, they will both win in theirs. A mma fighter is better in mma, a boxer in boxing. Its simple as that lol. Of course they wont win everytime, but their chances are better.
Dude what? If anything thats the two biggest similarities between the wrestling styles, they are full of strong and conditioned athletes.
greco is more rough and more simple. Because of the fact that you have to throw the guy, its more about strenght and conditioning... I think the same could be said of judo, but judo is a bit more complex. Of course on the world level it doesnt matter, but you bet that the average greco guy is gonna be stronger than the average freestyle one.
What do I know though, this is coming from a guy who barely ever sees freestyle wrestlers... I just know that Ive seen plenty of 15year old greco guys that look like randleman...
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Judo is also a sport. Most of the time neither are for self defense.
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Add some Kickboxing too and no one will ever fuck with you. Even if they're 6"6 280 lbs
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Wrestling takedowns are easier to defend (if you've done MMA or Wrestling). U just sprawl. Once you're clinched up with a Judoka it is all over.
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