Jones admitted to having poor endurance from powerlifting and weighing 220 lbs.

[eatu4tea]

Yes, I like Stan Efferding, I’m a big bodybuilding/powerlifting fan, but no MMA fighter should hire him. I get it’s just nutrition and training, but his skill set is different from a Mike Dolce or George Lockhart who would be telling him he’s just getting fat and it’s a bad idea

Maybe Jon was having difficulty gaining past a certain point, like Larry Wheels was before he went under Efferdings wing and then broke the 275lbs and 308lbs Powerlifting records...

As I'm sure you know, as a self-proclaimed powerlifting fan, weight cutting is a huge part of that sport too. With recent reports of Jon trying to bulk up to 275lbs, he's not going to be anywhere near that weight come fight week. He looks "fat" now because he is bulking and you don't gain muscle unless you're in a calorie surplus or a genetic freak like Ronnie Coleman, which Jon certainly isn't.

 

[icemun]

This. Bulking is fun, adding weight to bar is fun, eating more is fun, getting bigger is fun.

But will it help him against the likes of Francis/Gane? Probably not given Jones's display against OSP (he won but he looked like crap).

Hes perhaps the smartest/best fighter ever.
In the best camp in the world

Teo brother that are elite athletes and has millions of dollars and immense resources to train.

It's unlikely hes just bulking like that dude in the gym.

 

[rakeleaves]

That’s the funniest part of Jones becoming obese and somehow thinking it will help him against Francis, he already learned this lesson before

I think Jon just enjoys lifting and eating, and deluded himself into believing that lifestyle will help him win

The man hired Stan Efferding to bulk him up lmao

Jones first KO loss comes via Efferding carnivore diet.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Genetics, he can't do much about it. There was a bodybuilder back in 2000s named Johnny O. Jackson who had the entire Mendeleev's periodic table in him and, arguably, a better back and biceps than Ronnie Coleman

but his high insertion calves just wouldn't grow (a pic from later from his career, which emphasizes what parts were holding together)

For reference, here's his friend, Branch Warren, who had excellent leg development:

It is what it is, man. Your genetics. No amount of roids could help Jones. Much less natty lifting.

A lot of people (Shawn Ray) used to say Flex Wheeler got calf implants back in the day lol.

 

[icemun]

LOL!
Sherdog still hasnt figured out Jones is
"A natural HW scared to fight HW"
or
"A LHW scared to fight HW"

 

[Herwald]

A lot of people (Shawn Ray) used to say Flex Wheeler got calf implants back in the day lol.

Lou Ferrigno and Buff Bagwell did as well, they say. It was a thing to do in the 90s. Some just used synthol, though.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Maybe Jon was having difficulty gaining past a certain point, like Larry Wheels was before he went under Efferdings wing and then broke the 275lbs and 308lbs Powerlifting records...

As I'm sure you know, as a self-proclaimed powerlifting fan, weight cutting is a huge part of that sport too. With recent reports of Jon trying to bulk up to 275lbs, he's not going to be anywhere near that weight come fight week. He looks "fat" now because he is bulking and you don't gain muscle unless you're in a calorie surplus or a genetic freak like Ronnie Coleman, which Jon certainly isn't.

You don’t need to bulk to gain muscle as a natty, that’s a myth. And Jon looks to have more BF than a lot of pro bodybuilders when they’re bulking lol. If he does cut back down to the same body fat he was at LHW, he will realize he has gained 0 muscle.

 

[Iroh]

Lots of speculating based on words of a known liar and not very clear & conclusive pics.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Jones first KO loss comes via Efferding carnivore diet.

He has that horrible “vertical diet” where you eat rice and red meat all day haha, sounds really healthy

 

[WHITELIONBAR]

Much longer pinkie too.

Almost looks shooped it's so long.

oil check longer pinkie FTW WE HAVE A WEENER . SMELL HIS FINGERS

 

[Iron Nick]

Funny how I've heard people say he's a weight and height bully. He's a natural LHW with skinny limbs and looks overweight at HW

Big critic of Jones, but this is spot on.
If people wanna say that (some) of his opponents were not natural 205ers, that is fine, but Jones himself is *perfectly* suited for 205 and not a weight bully at all.

Height and reach bully IMO is by the way a stupid label. Sure, being long and tall helps, but i don't think it's fair to criticize fighters for "exploiting" that.
Weight bullies i understand criticisms, because though it's legal, it defeats the purpose of weightclasses.

That's why i'd love to have fighters actually weigh the same while being fully hydrated when they're in the cage.

 

[felmmando]

I trained with Jon at Jacksonwink and he's the farthest thing from a natural lhw. I weighed 185 and it felt like being next to a literal giant

You weighed in at 185 for competition or you walked around at 185?

 

[kflo]

Big critic of Jones, but this is spot on.
If people wanna say that (some) of his opponents were not natural 205ers, that is fine, but Jones himself is *perfectly* suited for 205 and not a weight bully at all.

Height and reach bully IMO is by the way a stupid label. Sure, being long and tall helps, but i don't think it's fair to criticize fighters for "exploiting" that.
Weight bullies i understand criticisms, because though it's legal, it defeats the purpose of weightclasses.

That's why i'd love to have fighters actually weigh the same while being fully hydrated when they're in the cage.

Being tall and lean was never thought of as an advantage for grapplers. He changed that perception. It was looked at as a disadvantage before jones.

 

[Aurelian]

Jon is a LHW. Has he ever missed weight once?

 

[Nobiasallowed]

So Jones performed like that on steroids against OSP??
God, no wonder he'll do anything to not fight clean!

Do not take God's name in vain.

 

[Nobiasallowed]

I trained with Jon at Jacksonwink and he's the farthest thing from a natural lhw. I weighed 185 and it felt like being next to a literal giant

I trained with him too, I weighed 240 and he didn't have a fight scheduled. Felt like I had considerable size on him but I was 20lbs heavier at the time. So I imagine you being 185 and short he felt a lot bigger with 40 lbs over you. I'm also 6'3" and we were basically the same height. I just thought he would weigh more, I was surprised how much size I had on him. He was pretty strong though.

 

[Nobiasallowed]

swear to god I've got bigger calf muscles than Jones. It's almost comical how he has close to zero muscle below his knee.

Do not take God's name in vain.

 

[Arrrrgh]

TS you sound sincere in your misunderstanding so here's the rub you missed:

Jones was talking about body composition, not weight. His build, not what the scale read.
That said, powerlifting doesn't cause cardio to suffer. Not doing cardio causes cardio to suffer. You can be 300+lbs and have cardio for days but you would have next to no time to do anything but eat, sleep, train, and digest. Most powerlifters skip cardio because they eat so much they are constantly tired and digesting food when they aren't doing sets of 5 reps.

All of that said, if Jon focuses on his endurance/speed training and eats enough calories to gain weight, well he can [both gain weight and have endurance].

 

[Icecreamguy]

A month out from UFC 197, Jones weighed 220 lbs. After his fight against OSP, he attributed poor endurance to having too much muscle and doing too much powerlifting. Keep in mind, he was also cycling PEDs at this time.

If Jones thinks he had poor endurance at 220 lbs, it begs the question of why he thinks bulking up to 275 lbs is a smart decision.

Its not that simple, but your mind is, hence why you think what you think. Bodies become acustomed to added muscle mass over time, lungs stretch, oxygyn is used more efficiently, the fighter learns to explode and conserve at the right times better. You can cut fat off bulked mass with more time, leaving less dead weight to carry. Your lack of insight shows you have little athletic experience, you are a bad person to act like you know what you are talking about.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Keep in mind, he was also cycling PEDs at this time.

That statement, by itself, narrows zero timelines