Jon Jones felt big. The HW's did not. Getting it yet?

[JosephTessaro]

After several failed attempts at explaining the details of Jon Jones' extreme physical advantages, i realise that most of Sherdog has never attended a physics lesson or the likes...

I attended a few physics classes, but I never attended a physique class.

 

[SuperNerd]

However, I will go ahead and play your game and contribute to the thread.

This is where I stopped.

Play my game is contributing to the thread? Thanks for playing, but you should be doing this every time. The other shit you do is the game.

This proves my point exactly. You insult, derail and attack to avoid points, I had to wrestle you down and shove a mirror in your face for you to do otherwise.

And, I don't care what you think. Nothing you've posted made me curious what you thought about a fight. Mostly on a JJ fight.

I did see a "you are mad" as I scrolled passed your post. Lols. I'm not surprised.

Yep.

So many jimmies get rustled when Jones wins. It's freakin' hilarious.

Lol classic JJ fans. Pat eachother on the back and look for security in each other.

 

[Killuminati]

TS... Am I to understand that it is your opinion that JJ should vacate the LHW division which he has no problem making weight for (and in fact, has said it's actually getting easier) and move to the HW division because... YOU think it's unfair that he's leveraging his genetic differences?

Look... I'm actually NOT a fan of weight cutting. I think it's horse shit and that everyone should compete at their natural weight class (HW would have an ENORMOUSLY deep roster if the weight range was maintained as even some WW would be in there if we look back historically - hell, Gleison Tibau would be a LHW). But the fact is, he's playing by the rules and maintaining his dominance. Your arguments are therefore... HORSESHIT. Get over your sense of self-importance, entitlement, and omnipotence and find something else to bitch about. YOU are not that important... to anyone. And Jon Jones especially doesn't give a flying fuck what you think and he's the only one that should.

Wait, wait. Hold your horses, and the shit.

Someone stating their opinion on 'what should be' to you equals self-importance, entitlement and omnipotence?

Like they think that everyone else is automatically obliged to act on their order or something?

 

[Bull Terrier]

There could be many reasons for that, i could only guess to why that is

Possibly it's a culture thing, where the tall reachy guys don't even consider a wrestling career, because they are surrounded by a culture that says they aren't the type needed.

Or they might not get taken serious by trainers etc. left out of the loop, because trainers have a preferred body type to work with

But mainly, there is just a huge majority of normal sized people in the world.
Freaks like Jon Jones are 1 in a million.

It could be lots of things, i don't know

I think it's because you are wrong.

Wrestling is extremely popular in some countries, and if a very lanky body type was the huge advantage you are making it out to be, you would see way more people with that kind of build at the top.

 

[Sigmafight]

lol Gay porn wrestling.

Guess size and leverage don't matter much in gay porn wrestling.

Correct.

For one thing there is not a cage is regular wrestling.

If you notice, DC did fine in the middle of the ring, where the low centre of gravity was preferred.

Against a cage you are standing basically straight, and what you want is an angled, hanging, high centre of gravity, and lots of opportunities to create space, etc. etc.

 

[loisestrad]

He's comfortably outgrappled everyone he's fought (including big HWs), slamming a few opponents like they were children. He didn't outgrapple Jones, because Jones is better. You don't feel ''bigger'' than people bigger than you unless you have the skill to do so.

Exactly, and it's what I've been saying all along. Jones IS big (or tall, rather) but it's the way he fights, it's his skills that makes him FEEL (even) bigger than he actually is.

Which is what Cormier ment.

 

[Elysianwing]

Correct.

For one thing there is not a cage is regular wrestling.

If you notice, DC did fine in the middle of the ring, where the low centre of gravity was preferred.

Against a cage you are standing basically straight, and what you want is an angled, hanging, high centre of gravity, and lots of opportunities to create space, etc. etc.

But do the dudes feel bigger in gay porn wrestling? I'd think size would be very important to these types of guys.

 

[TheScorpionDude]

TLDR: The UFC LHW Champion has no skills. Lol. /Thread.

To be fair, he does use like 5 strikes overall.

 

[Sigmafight]

But do the dudes feel bigger in gay porn wrestling? I'd think size would be very important to these types of guys.

I think to some it would be important. I guess it depends whether you like to get filled out or just tickled

 

[Goatenstein]

A real Muay Thai fighter would slaughter ballerina Jones.

 

[...El Ray]

To be fair, he does use like 5 strikes overall.

To be fair, that's not even close to being fair.

Spoiler

..but you know that already

 

[TheCryingElite]

No. You are talking practical solutions... i think...

I am simply trying to draw a line somewhere between skill and physique

I just think you need to credit his skill to physique ratio. You're almost making it seem as if, by virtue of having these physical advantages that it's some how automatically used to it's best abilities by simply existing. Where as, you don't give him credit for learning how to use his physical advantages. Everything in your original post is right, BUT somehow you stop short of giving him credit for being able to acknowledge his physique and utilizing it accordingly.

 

[DespicablePeep]

It matters, to seperate the question of skill and physique

Cry me a river, if being lenghty was such an advantage over skill Tim Sylvia, Struve and a bunch of tall dudes would be champions. Jones is incredibly talented, has an iron chin, heart and also is very athletic, the talent at LHW is greater than HW, I say Jones will be just as incredible as a HW as he is in LHW.

Werdum, Cain and JDS can beat him but he is the favorite:

Werdum: Jones will toy with him standing and in the clinch, there won

 

[RealMadridMMA]

lol this dude cant be serious? saying jones has little skill. shogun tapping to strikes, armlocking teixeira, dropping machida with a punch and chokes him out, outwrestling the olympic daniel cormier. DC: His reach wasnt a factor. He's just so creative, I wasnt expecting him to attack when moving backwards so that was something new.

Some of these "fans" are just incredible. I'm ashamed.

 

[Sigmafight]

A real Muay Thai fighter would slaughter ballerina Jones.

In a Muay Thai fight, probably.

In an MMA fight, the Muay Thai fighter would be murdered, if there was not a ref to stop the fight

 

[loisestrad]

Cry me a river, if being lenghty was such an advantage over skill Tim Sylvia, Struve and a bunch of tall dudes would be champions.

To be fair, Sylvia was champ.

 

[FallonFoxGOAT]

Blatant hypocrisy

Why would I give a serious reply to an obvious troll thread?

If the TS honestly thinks Jones only wins because of his size, he is an idiot.

Here is the quote featuring the term 'mad' that you 'skimmed' over:

I never replied that you think anything because you are mad, I merely suspected (quite rightly so given your responses) that you may be upset that Jones won.

I didn't say anything vicious to you in my reply, and yet here you are still being (frankly) a dick.

Also, your constant replies starting with "lol classic JJ fans" reeks of all sorts of buttdevastation and insecurity.

You need to step away from Sherdog for a week, bro. I fear for your blood pressure.

 

[straight6]

I don't really think JJ's body type (in the cage when hydrated) categorizes as "lanky". Guys like Anderson, Carlos Condit, etc are lanky. However, JJ's upper body is quite built.

Both DC and Sonnen said JJ felt big or bigger than expected..

JJ has a big frame. 6'4 with 80+ wingspan/reach (biggest wingspan in UFC). Inside the cage JJ look to be 220 or so, with his mass heavily concentrated on the upper body..thus when clinching and/or tied up in over and under, one can imagine JJ would feel big to opponents.

JJ is definitely SKILLED. and very talented. That his skills plus his unique built/size just make him that much more deadly at 205.

 

[hymn]

Correct.

For one thing there is not a cage is regular wrestling.

If you notice, DC did fine in the middle of the ring, where the low centre of gravity was preferred.

Against a cage you are standing basically straight, and what you want is an angled, hanging, high centre of gravity, and lots of opportunities to create space, etc. etc.

Yet DC got his one takedown clinching against the cage, and Jones took DC down in the middle of the cage (more than once if I remember right). :icon_lol:

DC did well in the middle of the cage because he did well boxing. Face it dude, this argument is contradictory gibberish.

 

[Sigmafight]

I just think you need to credit his skill to physique ratio. You're almost making it seem as if, by virtue of having these physical advantages that it's some how automatically used to it's best abilities by simply existing. Where as, you don't give him credit for learning how to use his physical advantages. Everything in your original post is right, BUT somehow you stop short of giving him credit for being able to acknowledge his physique and utilizing it accordingly.

No, i never said Jones is skill-less, i am only talking comparisons in skill between opponents, and that you have to consider the physique difference in this equation

That basically, it's not really fair, or possible rather, to talk skill vs skill, when you are talking Jon Jones vs the LHW division, outside of the Gustafsson fight, which i do indeed give Jones props for winning

The physical disparities are not just distinct, but extreme, in most cases