Jon Jones' crazy genius fighting IQ

[Marko Polo]

lmao rebuttal? did you read what you wrote? you think that deserves a refutation?

Fake incredulity. Why even bother replying to me.

 

[JohnMandick]

Gordon Ryan has said that JJ got better as a fighter in those 3 years, that he not only updated his whole game but got even better and more obsessive in watching all kind of fights, saying that his knowledge is just on a whole different level.

JJ breaking down Gane's "" weakness"" in the press conference :




Here we have another clip of Topuria saying that JJ's fighting IQ is insane, plus saying he doesn't understand how JJ is not pfp #1 as of now...





Goat

He figured out how to cheat without any real consequences, so if you consider that genius... I guess he is.

 

[Luffy]

Most impressive new part of his game
View attachment 1092008

Lmao I missed this one. Lol some memes don't disappoint

 

[Luffy]

He was already winning those fights. The spinning elbow vs Gus was effective but everything else was gimmicky. You want to see some real techniques go and watch a Topuria fight. Jon isn’t on the level of guys like that, he has no boxing, no power in his hands, no offensive wrestling as evidenced vs Reyes/OSP etc. He was a massive weight cutter who is now too fat to make weight and too cowardly to fight legit opponents at HW. You bought into the marketing you big numbskull.

We are only able to have this conversation because he was GIFTED a decision against Reyes. If the records actually reflected what happened Jon is not undefeated and has no claim to being the greatest - not because he’s no longer undefeated, but that was all he had. You have to look at his career without context, just ignore the drug cheating and steroid abuse, just ignore the eye poking and egregious judging decisions and then you can see Jon for what he really is.

One clip. That’s all you could find to support your argument despite looking for half an hour. One clip of Jon doing an elbow vs Gus - who let’s face it, is not the world beater Jon made him look like!

Which fights? Be more specific. Vs Glover? No, it started with the heavy clinch, and elbows. Plus, JJ's striking variety. If you had watched the fight properly, you'd see how much JJ feinted, the variety of his attacks, like changing his elbow hit mid way — making a spinning elbow motion and landing a straight elbow instead. Clinching whenever Glover was in a stance he'd generally go for deadly combos (if you even watched Glover's many fights) by positioning himself in places he could effectively clinch whenever he knew the angles Glover would like to explore in his KO finishes...

The DC fight, if you mean winning as soon as he landed that head kick, yes. So? DC still spoke about how even in the finishing sequence, his instinct to finish the fight was just pure talent, avoiding any potential recovery DC could have with his wrestling pedigree, by throwing him even more off balance...

The Gustafsson fight you admitted as a legit one. You can say "good find on this one" instead of seeing "the only one" when I have given you 3 — the Miocic takedown set up. He wasn't winning the fight, it was right after he hurt Miocic badly with tens of elbows that he was on the sure win phase on the fight... The takedown set up was very creative. Both technically and exploring the natural reaction to his oblique kick.

Again, the Lyoto Machida one. He listened to his coach, processed that perfectly and didn't use that until he got a leverage in the fight. He managed to hurt Machida with an elbow and then, in the last 2 minutes of the second round, he went for what his coach told him + took him on a guillotine in a baffling angle to choke someone... Like, his coach instruction for the attack was an additional tool used in the right moment and followed by his own unmatchable ability and timing.

Topuria himself said his fighting IQ is insane and that JJ should be #1 pfp now. So if you seem to think watching Topuria is the peak of fighting IQ.... Topuria himself sees JJ as pfp #1, I.e, even now he sees JJ as best than the current top fighters of all categories. Paddy the Baddy was also saying that JJ's fighting IQ is the best of all times.


Want more? Tom himself said it:




Tom said JJ fight IQ is surreal analysing the finishing sequence of JJ vs Stipe.


So, in short, I've given you several examples, both markable moments in video clips and other fighters, even ones who will fight him, praising his unmatched fighting IQ. You on the other hand, have nothing of substance to offer here other than meaningless babbler

 

[Luffy]

Reyes won 2 rds at most - dont besmirh da Goat buddeh

Yeah. I mean, that's the harsh truth that ppl ignore due to sheer bias though. Rounds 2 and 3 were close. Round 1 was Reyes. 4 and 5 JJ. Tbh, 4-1 JJ makes more sense than 4-1 Reyes. Ppl have the misconception, one of the biggest ones, that Reyes was the rightful winner when that was not even a controversial win by Jones... Ppl repeat that, but they didn't take time to analyse the fight as some did, didn't take time to read the way the ruleset was described in its entirety... Because otherwise, Reyes winning would actually be the controversial decision. I repeat: JJ's win over Reyes was clearer than Ankalaev's win over Pereira. Round 1 was Reyes, sure. Round 2, tough one... It depends on the weight the judges would give to impact vs volume. As well as effective striking. Round 3, that one was a clearer one for JJ. Rounds 4 and 5 were all JJ, and were more dominantly won than the only clear round Reyes won — the first.

I'd still give a slight edge to Reyes in round 2. Close though. Rounds 3, 4 and 5 were Jones'. His win was far from a robbery, wasn't even controversial... Rather, it was the totally right decision under the rules, which don't blindly take number of significant strikes alone — it accounts for effective and impact firstly, plus, signs of one fighter showing visibly signs of taking a heavier toll from the strikes... Anyways, the "Reyes won" is one of the biggest misconceptions... since ppl wouldn't believe JJ would lose, so any close match for them kinda became a fuss. Hard truth: JJ won officially, and the result was not controversial; it was accurate.

 

[oldschoolmmafan]

Fights early in career against past it legends, peds, cheating tactics, monstrous frame for division. Take it of what you will but this is no goat.

 

[nonoob]

I think of Jones and Fedor as 2 different.

Yes, only one fought with honor without cheating.

Jones has never lost legitimately

Jones has never WON legitimately, brags about it.
​

 

[Fedor Fan]

Jones is a Fedor fanboy.







Jones respects The Last Emperor Fedor.





Fedor is the GOAT.



Imo Jones is the GOAT LHW and I hope he fights a few more times. His fight IQ is incredible, he's like Floyd from boxing in that way. Dumb outside the cage but a savant inside it.

 

[Tweak896]

The problem is if you admit Jones has high level fight IQ, then you start to go down the path where maybe PEDs weren't the only reason he won fights so it might not hold him back from being ranked #1 goat. It gets particularly uncomfortable to Jones haters when you tell them he has the best record post USADA to his goat competition.

 

[icemun]

Same photos of Jones against opponents he has height and reach advantage on...



I'd like to see how Jon does in his 36th fight... oh that's right he probably won't even make it to 31

Guess you cant see the image?

If reach was deemed an advantage there would a be a "reach" class. Combat sports are categorized by "weight"

If reach was so advantgeous CANS like Hung Man Choi would be killers









And unlikely Jones will make 31 fights. There arent 31 cans in the UFC yet alone top contenders

martin lazarov (0-2)
levon lagilava (1-3)
hiroya takada (1-3)
mihail apostolov (0-1)
ryushi yanagisawa (24-25)
lee hasdell (9-14)
chris haseman (20-17)
gary goodridge (23-22)
yuji nagata (0-2)
naoya ogawa (7-2)
zulu (9-9)
hong man choi (4-5)
jaideep singh (2-3)

 

[BowserJr]

If reach was deemed an advantage there would a be a "reach" class. Combat sports are categorized by "weight"

You just showed how absurd your logic is. If reach was not an advantage then no one would ever measure reach advantage. Beyond a shadow of a doubt reach makes a difference. But go ahead and double down on believing it doesn't.

And unlikely Jones will make 31 fights. There arent 31 cans in the UFC yet alone top contenders

You couldn't name 31 cans as Fedors opponents now could you?

Meanwhile I listed the complete list of legends, all times greats and top 10s each jones and fedor fought.

All you could do was post photos of fedors losses which happened after his 33rd fight.

While JBJ can't even get to a 31st fight.

As far as Jones never fighting cans or weak competition let's look at the facts

Stipe (over 40, retired, no wins for 5 yrs)
Brad Bernard (0-2)
Gusmao (5-1)
Carlos Eduardo (1-2)
Anthony Pina (0-1)
Ryan Verrett (3-4)
Parker Porter (2-1)
Moses Gabin (2-2)
Matyushenk (shopworn)
Vitor (competing at MW at the time)
Chael (career MW 1D, competing at MW at the time)
Gane (1D, Coleman beats him)
Santos (mid tier)
Smith (mid tier)
Reyes (mid tier)
OSP (mid tier)

 

[Poirierfan]

Garry has 5 rds to avoid getting clipped. He needs to clinch 24/7, I'm afraid it's gonna be boring.

 

[icemun]

You just showed how absurd your logic is. If reach was not an advantage then no one would ever measure reach advantage. Beyond a shadow of a doubt reach makes a difference. But go ahead and double down on believing it doesn't.


You couldn't name 31 cans as Fedors opponents now could you?

Meanwhile I listed the complete list of legends, all times greats and top 10s each jones and fedor fought.

All you could do was post photos of fedors losses which happened after his 33rd fight.

While JBJ can't even get to a 31st fight.

As far as Jones never fighting cans or weak competition let's look at the facts

Stipe (over 40, retired, no wins for 5 yrs)
Brad Bernard (0-2)
Gusmao (5-1)
Carlos Eduardo (1-2)
Anthony Pina (0-1)
Ryan Verrett (3-4)
Parker Porter (2-1)
Moses Gabin (2-2)
Matyushenk (shopworn)
Vitor (competing at MW at the time)
Chael (career MW 1D, competing at MW at the time)
Gane (1D, Coleman beats him)
Santos (mid tier)
Smith (mid tier)
Reyes (mid tier)
OSP (mid tier)

Santos
Smith
Reyes
OSP

Were all #1 LHW contenders in the UFC

Gane was the #1 and Interim HW champion

And Stipe was 40, but a 41 year old MW Henderson stretched Fedor out.

 

[White lightning 2]

It's been well known for a long time Jon's fight IQ is some of the best in MMA, along with some of the other GOATs. You don't have that level of success without it.

He also has the perfect body structure as well. Long, lanky, athletic background and smart

 

[BowserJr]

Santos
Smith
Reyes
OSP
Were all #1 LHW contenders in the UFC

OSP was not #1 contender 1st of all.

2nd of all Smith, Reyes, Santos wouldn't even smell top 15 in the golden age of 205.

Santos and Smith couldn’t beat an over the hill version of old man Glover

Both were literally failed MWs that went up to an easier division

Reyes was #1 after beating an over the hill Weidman who dipped his toes at LHW.

If those are your #1 contenders all it shows is how bad LHW has been.

Those guys are can level if they competed between 2003-2013


and No. Stipe was 42, retired with no wins in 4 years.

The fact still stands that in 17 years Jones couldnt accomplish what Fedor did in 10 despite have a size advantage over every opponent.
Fedors resume was better and more accomplished across his first 33 fights when compared to Jones existing 30 fights

 

[nonoob]

Jones also had his kids watching him beat their mother bloody.

Las Vegas police were called to stop a possible murder on a female by Jon.

Jon Jones - LEGACY of a PED cheating woman beating Scumbag.

Disturbing Details Emerge In Jon Jones’ Alleged Domestic Violence Case

The UFC fighters’ fiancée was reportedly bloodied in their altercation.

www.bet.com

In the altercation, Jones pulled Moses’ hair when she tried to leave the room. Their children were present during the encounter.

A Ceasars Palace security guard reportedly observed blood on Moses. She cried when asked if she was OK and stated that she felt unsafe returning to the room. Mosses and her children were taken to a security office.
When the police arrived, they noticed “blood all over Moses’ clothing and a bump with dried up blood on the lower part of her lip.”

 

[USA!USA!]

The problem is if you admit Jones has high level fight IQ, then you start to go down the path where maybe PEDs weren't the only reason he won fights so it might not hold him back from being ranked #1 goat. It gets particularly uncomfortable to Jones haters when you tell them he has the best record post USADA to his goat competition.

This exactly.. I don’t understand, you can hate the person and call him a cheater while still acknowledging he is the best to ever do it.. it’s crazy that the majority of this forum is incapable of having nuanced opinions LOL

 

[TheNewGame]

The problem is if you admit Jones has high level fight IQ, then you start to go down the path where maybe PEDs weren't the only reason he won fights so it might not hold him back from being ranked #1 goat. It gets particularly uncomfortable to Jones haters when you tell them he has the best record post USADA to his goat competition.

Everybody knows he'd a great talent without steroids, but we'll never know if he'd be one of the GOATs without them. Could he still beat a guy like DC clean on an even playing field? Maybe, maybe not.

 

[p4pfighters]

Nah, he isn't. Fedor had a legitimate loss from TKO... Fedor had pretty much the same record Jon Jones has now, except Fedor had one loss. He had 1 win more than JJ, but one loss, which JJ lacks

Last time I checked Jon lost that fight due to being a Cheater, he also got gift decisions in fights that he got outclassed and beaten like the Reyes and Gus I , and we can argue about the one legged middleweight fight too.

 

[Tweak896]

This exactly.. I don’t understand, you can hate the person and call him a cheater while still acknowledging he is the best to ever do it.. it’s crazy that the majority of this forum is incapable of having nuanced opinions LOL

It's pure hate really.

Everybody knows he'd a great talent without steroids, but we'll never know if he'd be one of the GOATs without them. Could he still beat a guy like DC clean on an even playing field? Maybe, maybe not.

Doesn't it bother you that all his competition had their work done in the "steroid era" or orgs that don't test? To me, that either means PEDs don't matter because these guys were all clean and out muscled them and had better cardio or that they were better at hiding in tests. Jones competition is Fedor, Anderson, GSP. None were putting up their resume in the clean era.