Jon Jones' crazy genius fighting IQ

[Luffy]

This is complete BS. Most of Jon’s “techniques” are spinning gimmicky shit, it finally worked on old man Miocic and before that Gus years back, but Jones’ bread and butter has always been cheating - either through eye pokes/ steroids but most of the time a combination of both. He maintained range using eye pokes and struggled in every fight after they changed the rules - which was because of Jones’ cheating too.

Using your wingspan which is longer than a Boieing 747 and holding your fingers in someone’s face is not impressive. I don’t know why no fighters or mma pundits NEVER mention the cheating - I guess that’s being saved for when Jon retires and they don’t care about his image and marketability anymore.

Nah. Spinning elbow. That was a new movement used more often with Jon Jones. Clinching tight in almost grappling and at the same time beating the crap out of them... JJ used that perfectly vs Glover as a way of limiting Glover's punching power and to use his elbows range as an advantage.

The finishing sequence vs DC... Instead of just rushing, he feinted a punch, threw a trip leg kick, so DC would fall with non defense to the ground as his equilibrium was off.

The way he'd set up some attacks:




The Machida finishing sequence as well, which was also partially due to Greg Jackson, who said for JJ to feint the left leg kick and hit Machida with a left overhand (kinda more superman punch) instead... But JJ waited until the right moment to do that. He didn't do that until he felt Machida was hurt from the ground and pound... so right then he went for the finishing... Locking in a guillotine from a bizarre angle:



The way he set up the takedown for Miocic, too:







So.... You full of shiiiiit lulz

 

[icemun]

Meh. Fedor had more fights and wins in 10 years than Jones has his entire career. Both with only 1 dubious loss.

Fedor did it against the same number of legends, all times greats, top 10 opponents and champions and did it all while being the smaller fighter, whiles Jones has had the size and reach advantage every time.

Had fedor retired at 33 fights Jones would barely be entering the GOAT convo now, kinda

" Fedor had more fights and wins in 10 years than Jones has his entire career. Both with only 1 dubious loss.

Fedor did it against the same number of legends, all times greats, top 10 opponents and champions and did it all while being the smaller fighter, whiles Jones has had the size and reach advantage every time."



martin lazarov (0-2)
levon lagilava (1-3)
hiroya takada (1-3)
mihail apostolov (0-1)
ryushi yanagisawa (24-25)
lee hasdell (9-14)
chris haseman (20-17)
gary goodridge (23-22)
yuji nagata (0-2)
naoya ogawa (7-2)
zulu (9-9)
hong man choi (4-5)
jaideep singh (2-3)


"whiles Jones has had the size and reach advantage every time."

 

[icemun]

This one is crazy to me

These athletes operate on such a different level-

 

[Hog-train]

Jones is the greatest fighter to ever compete in the sport

I wish he was more active if he wants to still compete, but there is no doubt he is the top of the top when looking at his entire career

Not very likable and kind a jerk (not to mention criminal), but if you separate that from his brilliance in his actual fights, it is undoubtable who the best in the world was from top to bottom

His only loss in 17 years was a DQ from beating the fuck out of his opponent too violently

IMO you can't be the greatest to ever do it if you got caught doing PED's twice. It's obvious he's been on the sauce his whole career.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Meh. Fedor had more fights and wins in 10 years than Jones has his entire career. Both with only 1 dubious loss.

Fedor did it against the same number of legends, all times greats, top 10 opponents and champions and did it all while being the smaller fighter, whiles Jones has had the size and reach advantage every time.

Had fedor retired at 33 fights Jones would barely be entering the GOAT convo now, kinda

Plus fedor would have fought Tom. Hell, he’d probably do it right now.

 

[BowserJr]

" Fedor had more fights and wins in 10 years than Jones has his entire career. Both with only 1 dubious loss.

Fedor did it against the same number of legends, all times greats, top 10 opponents and champions and did it all while being the smaller fighter, whiles Jones has had the size and reach advantage every time."



martin lazarov (0-2)
levon lagilava (1-3)
hiroya takada (1-3)
mihail apostolov (0-1)
ryushi yanagisawa (24-25)
lee hasdell (9-14)
chris haseman (20-17)
gary goodridge (23-22)
yuji nagata (0-2)
naoya ogawa (7-2)
zulu (9-9)
hong man choi (4-5)
jaideep singh (2-3)


"whiles Jones has had the size and reach advantage every time."


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LoL Jones is literally the taller guy with the reach advantage in everyone of those pics.

Also Fedor beat 12 all time greats/legends that were active in his weight class at the time. This is not counting rematches.

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Tim
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Nog
Randleman
Coleman
Rizzo
Mir
Babalu
Arona
Schilt
Hunt

Fighters in the top 10 when he fought them. This is 12 wins vs top 10

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Tim
Arona
CC
Nogx3
Coleman
Herring
Babalu
Randleman
Rogers

Jon Jones has beaten top 8 all time greats/legends that were active in his weight class not counting rematches

Shogun
Rampage
Lyoto
Gustafson
DC
Stipe
Rashad
Glover

Jon has won vs opponents in the top 10 13 times (in his weightclass)

DC
Shogun
Gusx2
Santos
Reyes
Bader
Rampage
Lyoto
Rashad
Gane
Smith
Glover

Jones currently has 30 fights in 17 years

Fedor had 33 fights in 10 years before he lost.

Sorry but you have made 0 valid points

If you want to add in Jones wins over Sonnen and Vitor as big wins then you must also add Fedors win over Lindland

 

[Marko Polo]

Nah. Spinning elbow. That was a new movement used more often with Jon Jones. Clinching tight in almost grappling and at the same time beating the crap out of them... JJ used that perfectly vs Glover as a way of limiting Glover's punching power and to use his elbows range as an advantage.

The finishing sequence vs DC... Instead of just rushing, he feinted a punch, threw a trip leg kick, so DC would fall with non defense to the ground as his equilibrium was off.

The way he'd set up some attacks:




The Machida finishing sequence as well, which was also partially due to Greg Jackson, who said for JJ to feint the left leg kick and hit Machida with a left overhand (kinda more superman punch) instead... But JJ waited until the right moment to do that. He didn't do that until he felt Machida was hurt from the ground and pound... so right then he went for the finishing... Locking in a guillotine from a bizarre angle:



The way he set up the takedown for Miocic, too:







So.... You full of shiiiiit lulz

He was already winning those fights. The spinning elbow vs Gus was effective but everything else was gimmicky. You want to see some real techniques go and watch a Topuria fight. Jon isn’t on the level of guys like that, he has no boxing, no power in his hands, no offensive wrestling as evidenced vs Reyes/OSP etc. He was a massive weight cutter who is now too fat to make weight and too cowardly to fight legit opponents at HW. You bought into the marketing you big numbskull.

We are only able to have this conversation because he was GIFTED a decision against Reyes. If the records actually reflected what happened Jon is not undefeated and has no claim to being the greatest - not because he’s no longer undefeated, but that was all he had. You have to look at his career without context, just ignore the drug cheating and steroid abuse, just ignore the eye poking and egregious judging decisions and then you can see Jon for what he really is.

One clip. That’s all you could find to support your argument despite looking for half an hour. One clip of Jon doing an elbow vs Gus - who let’s face it, is not the world beater Jon made him look like!

 

[Mind Mine]

This guy is brain dead. I don’t understand what he is saying at all apparently LMAO - does anyone else?? Truly lost here

How am I validating why he is not the best.. I literally said he was the best.. I don’t understand your point whatsoever and I think you’re living in your own world buddy

When you say this guy is brain dead, you are pining for support. Nobody can save you my son not even Jesus on this here karate forum. You clearly lack comprehension as I explained how you are a bozo. It terrifies you to simply say Jones is the greatest and leave it there. You gotta blow the peter of his detractors as well. Even now you are desperately pining for validation which hilariously isn’t there for you. It’s a sign of being spineless. A straight up Ken doll. I respect the haters even a degree more as they have a firm stance. You are a fucking Ken doll that looks like a boy but the balls are missing. Good day Sir

 

[USA!USA!]

When you say this guy is brain dead, you are pining for support. Nobody can save you my son not even Jesus on this here karate forum. You clearly lack comprehension as I explained how you are a bozo. It terrifies you to simply say Jones is the greatest and leave it there. You gotta blow the peter of his detractors as well. Even now you are desperately pining for validation which hilariously isn’t there for you. It’s a sign of being spineless. A straight up Ken doll. I respect the haters even a degree more as they have a firm stance. You are a fucking Ken doll that looks like a boy but the balls are missing. Good day Sir

Troll account? Hurts my brain to read what you write bud lol - makes no sense.

 

[USA!USA!]

IMO you can't be the greatest to ever do it if you got caught doing PED's twice. It's obvious he's been on the sauce his whole career.

I get this stance.. doesn’t change for me that he is the best to do it though.. you could say he is a cheater, but doesn’t change the fact he’s still the best.. you could also distinguish and say someone else is the “best clean fighter”

It’s like baseball.. you could say Barry Bonds is the best hitter of all time.. legitimately true, while we also know he was steroid-ed out of his gourd

 

[CombatCyborg]

The greatest fighter in ufc history

Who also happens to be the most prolific steroid cheater

...and one of the dirtiest fighters in the cage

But that's just a coincidence

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Kosaka was not a legitimate TKO loss, the cut was caused by an illegal strike. RINGS wanted certain fighters to go further, so they ruled it a TKO loss due to cut since the tournament had to keep going. Thing is, the next tournament date was two months later, more than enough time for a cut to heal, and neither Fedor nor Kosaka had any other fights lined up after that one.

I know you're already one of the worse new posters here, but why write 4 paragraphs no one will read when you invalidate your opinion in the first sentence?

It’s as if he didn’t even watch that fight or consider the context of the stoppage. As if Kosaka had anything for Fedor. What a shit take. Pretty sure he’s just trolling Fedor fans.

 

[USA!USA!]

The greatest fighter in ufc history

Who also happens to be the most prolific steroid cheater

...and one of the dirtiest fighters in the cage

But that's just a coincidence

I don't know man, if you put the toughest guy in the world in against the best guys non-stop over 15+ years, I would have thought they'd lose/get finished at least once over that span.. it is really impressive even with the cheating.

 

[AmonTobin]

Jones definitely has great fight IQ and getting away with fouls has also always been part of it.
The day Jones figured out Gane couldn't wrestle is the same day I did. It's at that time he also decided he would never fight Ngannou.

 

[Streeter]

Reyes 123

Reyes won 2 rds at most - dont besmirh da Goat buddeh

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Young Jones w/Greco throws was absolutely something very special in the cage and that guy I was a fan of watching

 

[kuroro]

No rebuttal as always from these guys.

lmao rebuttal? did you read what you wrote? you think that deserves a refutation?

 

[Fight Professor]

Reyes 123

Jones is also smart enough to understand what makes judges score a fight a certain way.

 

[icemun]

LoL Jones is literally the taller guy with the reach advantage in everyone of those pics.

Also Fedor beat 12 all time greats/legends that were active in his weight class at the time. This is not counting rematches.

AA
Tim
CC
Nog
Randleman
Coleman
Rizzo
Mir
Babalu
Arona
Schilt
Hunt

Fighters in the top 10 when he fought them. This is 12 wins vs top 10

AA
Tim
Arona
CC
Nogx3
Coleman
Herring
Babalu
Randleman
Rogers

Jon Jones has beaten top 8 all time greats/legends that were active in his weight class not counting rematches

Shogun
Rampage
Lyoto
Gustafson
DC
Stipe
Rashad
Glover

Jon has won vs opponents in the top 10 13 times (in his weightclass)

DC
Shogun
Gusx2
Santos
Reyes
Bader
Rampage
Lyoto
Rashad
Gane
Smith
Glover

Jones currently has 30 fights in 17 years

Fedor had 33 fights in 10 years before he lost.

Sorry but you have made 0 valid points

If you want to add in Jones wins over Sonnen and Vitor as big wins then you must also add Fedors win over Lindland

 

[BowserJr]

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Same photos of Jones against opponents he has height and reach advantage on...



I'd like to see how Jon does in his 36th fight... oh that's right he probably won't even make it to 31