Media Jon Jones Back n Forth with Tom Aspinall Completely Dismissing Him - Tom Responds - Newest Update Jones Confirms WILL retire after Stipe fight

[skylolow]

At least he got Jones attention because he'll never sniff that fight without basically pissing Jones off to the point he wants to fight him.

 

[Benoitthegr8]

I see both sides of the coin, I feel like this is lots of wasted energy, Aspinall should focus on his own sphere of influence. By that I mean training and winning fights he can actually get, sadly Jon and Stipe don’t seemingly apply.

Dana always has his shiny objects, something that he favors and gives a push forward, today it’s Jones, he’s about to retire.

Tom should focus on the fact that there are no other UK based fighters that have the talent and physical attributes he does, besides being in a boneyard division with the last credible claim as the champ.

I think it’s an obvious blueprint for Tom, if he plays his hand right, he’ll eventually be the next big thing at HW. He should just give Dana and the UFC their space, be a company guy for now and let orchestrate the ridiculous Jon/Miocic money grab. Tom will get his opportunity, creating unnecessary friction against the promoters isn’t a good idea, well unless your name is Francis.

 

[jjjjjjjjjjohnny]

irrelevant. tom needs to prove himself.... joke that they gave him a title.

 

[Aurelian]

Tom should just take a fight and win so he can build his brand and make himself a bigger star. Be the true champion and defend or what the hell is going on? Is Tom going to sit on ice for a year?

 

[Poirierfan]

irrelevant. tom needs to prove himself.... joke that they gave him a title.

KO'ing the scariest dude in the division isn't proof? How about every other top HW's he's finished? Literally no one has made it to a decision much less got a win against Tom Aspinall.

 

[chinarice]

KO'ing the scariest dude in the division that was undefeated isn't proof? Not to mention all the other top HW's he's finished. Literally no one has made it to a decision against Tom Aspinall. Keep hating while he keeps winning.

Pavlovich got tooled by Overeem. 2nd loss.

 

[Poirierfan]

Pavlovich got tooled by Overeem. 2nd loss.

Wásnt he undeated in the UFC? Oh well

 

[Aurelian]

KO'ing the scariest dude in the division that was undefeated isn't proof? Not to mention all the other top HW's he's finished. Literally no one has made it to a decision against Tom Aspinall. You know how retarded you sound? I don't think you do or you wouldn't have made that post.

Sergei wasn't undefeated. If were being honest Tom should run his fight back with Blaydes to prove to us he wasn't on his way to getting his ass beat.

 

[Ironheart]

Jon is the least risk taking fighter in history.

This was hard confirmed when he let a whole event get canceled rather than fight Chael.

 

[Poirierfan]

Sergei wasn't undefeated. If were being honest Tom should run his fight back with Blaydes to prove to us he wasn't on his way to getting his ass beat.

I agree, he should fight Blades. I don't think he was getting his ass beat though, it was too short to assess.

 

[Black9]

New Update guys.

Seems Jones is still dismissing Tom and confirms he will fight Stipe then ride retire more than likely

 

[MindGamingMantis]

How is he a fraud he subed Gane the next big thing in R1 without breaking sweat. So when he does the same to Tommy boy who is he ducking next ?

Tommy boy

 

[Tweak896]

If I were Aspinall, I'd defend the interim belt and call out Jones for having a smaller HW record than Aspinall since Jones last HW fight.

 

[Trabaho]

could also be that you're biased and emotionally invested.

What you're doing is equivalent to MMA math

Jones had some tough fights at LHW, what could he possibly do at HW?

That's not how things work.

It's also very clear that Jones was going through the motions by the end of his LHW tenure. Even the roundtable consisting of Rashad, Smith, DC and Reyes acknowledged before the Gane bout that Jones just wasn't as invested in some of his LHW fights. Smith said he felt like Jones could've put it on him but chose not to.

Jones was basically at the top of the mountain by a huge margin at 23 years old. He could basically coast and still beat almost everyone. That plays a huge factor when it comes to motivation and performing at your full potential for every fight.

This isn't uncommon when it comes to champions who've been at the top for a long time, it reaches a point where you need something to get your blood pumping. A challenge to overcome, like Jones himself said, butterflies are information.

And there's definitely been fights where Jones simply didn't have that healthy fear, which reflected in his performance.

Even GSP said that he never sleeps well before most of his fights, but before the Serra loss, he slept like a baby.

I believe this is responsible for some of Jon's least impressive performances. Reyes, Santos, OSP, even Gus 1.

DC was Jon's greatest rival, he'd be the first to tell you that DC as an opponent was his greatest test. If you go and watch his fights against DC, that was a different Jon Jones. Using every conceivable tool in his kit, attacking from the first second.

There's a stark difference to how seriously Jon took those fights compared to some others on his resume.

Jones was simply a different fighter depending on who he fought, frequently fighting to the level of his opponents.

When Jones is at his best, he's a problem for any fighter that has ever lived. Regardless of the division. For that matter, so is DC.

HW simply isn't as good as people think it is. It's always been the oldest, least skilled, least well rounded division in the sport.

Tom is good, he's one of the few examples of a well rounded, reasonably technical fighter at HW. But he doesn't bring anything to the table that Jon hasn't already seen.

And again, It seems like a lot of people don't even seem to be aware of what makes Jon as good as he is. So confidently picking these guys over him, without even a second thought.


You can call it dickriding, in reality, people are just a little ridiculous when it comes to analyzing anything Jon Jones. He gets people in their feelings and rationality goes out the window.

Tldr Jones chicken calves, not real HW champ

Lhw =/= Hw

Jones is ducking Aspinal

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Every indication is that Jones had come to an agreement to fight for the HW title long before Ngannou actually left.

Based on...what? Jon had every chance to fight at HW first years. Only thing that stopped him was himself

Dana, Chael and Ariel said he was back mid 2022. He was briefly linked to a Stipe Miocic fight back in December of that year.

Before finally being linked to the March card in 2023 to fight for the hw belt in December, which is when he ended up fighting Gane.

And yet he didn't fight Stipe and only fought after Francis left. There so much that Jon allegedly tried to make happen yet somehow its never his fault when it doesn't. And it's always heresy, nothing book, Nothing scheduled.

According to Chael, on video, Jon agreed to 3 names and doesn't get enough credit for doing so.

Chael hates Jon and basically shits on him at every opportunity. There's no reason for him to say anything to make him look good.

If that is true that's all nice and well and good but, as I have already said (and you obviously didn't read), it is not a risk. He had no choice. He needed a fight. He had to fight someone. That's not a risk it's his job. Happens with fighters all the time. When you get sidelined getting a return fight can be very hard.

The ngannou fight would've happened, had he signed the contract. They only went with Gane as a plan B when he didn't.

Once again Jon had so much time earlier to challenge HW and just didn't. Putting all the blame on Francis and none in Jon is straight delusion.

Francis was rightfully pissed with Dana and it did complicate things but there is nothing to suggest Jon was actually going to take that fight.

Sergei was also the confirmed alternate for that card.

Once again not a risk. Jon didn't decide that. UFC did. Also, Jon has ZERO obligation to fight a back up. None. Sergei being a back up is irrelevant.

They wouldn't offer Ngannou 8 mil to fight Jones under the contingency that he might sign. Jones was already back.

The media did nothing but make it absolutely clear that Ngannou was in contract negotiations up until the very moment he left.

Negotiations with his contract with the UFC. Not with a fight with Jones. Jon being back was still pure speculation because nothing was signed.

If Jones hadn't already come to an agreement, they would have done the same for him, just as Dana had done before.

Based on...what? You're entire post is filled with assumptions

This idea that he waited until Francis left is a myth not based in reality.

It's based in the reality that it played out exactly like that lol.

He was the first one to call out ngannou back in 2021, talking about a super fight between them but wants a bump in pay.

calling someone out and then doing nothing is not a risk. You just criticized Francis for the same thing.

He spent 2 years bulking to fight at HW. That isn't sitting around. And it's very clear that Jones wanted big money and big fights or he wouldn't even be doing it.

Fighting for the belt was the only thing you could possibly be preparing for if you're Jones. Who held the belt? Ngannou. Who did he call out back in 2021? Ngannou. Who did he clown after Frank's fight against Gane? Ngannou

If you read between the lines, this was always supposed to be the fight.

Once again assumptions everywhere. There is nothing in Jon's actions that support your claims more than they support his critics claims. The reality is Jon DIDN'T do anything for years. And when Francis is gone he suddenly springs into action. It's a terrible look. I do not believe the bulking for 2 years shit. I just don't. It's a ridiculous excuse that if you read between the lines allows him to excuse inactivity and bide his time for a lower risk.

At the end of the day, Jones signed the contract. Ngannou didn't. Every thing else is just people living in a fantasy world, believing things that aren't based in reality.

If Frank signed the contract, the fight would've happened. Its that simple. Twisting it in the opposite direction is the delusion here.

When did Jon sign? You keep saying this. You make so many assumptions.

in regards to Tom

It's purely business. Which was the entire reason for him moving to HW go begin with.

Taking a high risk, low reward fight only ensures that he makes a fraction of the money that he would against a recognized, established name. In what is likely the last fight of his career.

Which option do you think most fighters would choose?

At the end of the day, this is prize fighting.

No different than Ngannou leaving for greener papastures.

You can't have it both ways. Jon going to HW is either business or he's taking a risk. You spent all this time manufacturing risks thar didn't happen but then say he's not looking for high risk. You see how that comes across? It's silly.

The reality is Tom is a huge risk that presents stylistic challenges, huge KO risk, and has shown to be incredibly athletic and quick for HW. Jon knows that and doesn't want to risk a loss. Nobody but you is calling him a boogeyman. You're creating a narrative to discredit the people you're arguing with.


Jon is not and never has been one to take risks AND THATS FINE! Call it what it is. He's successful, skilled, and knows the game. Everything he does is to maximize his chances of winning

 

[KORNBR3AD]

Some of you are clearly speaking through a biasness. And while good points are being made, your whole post gets disregarded when you say stuff like, "Jones isnt the real champ" Like the fight with Gane never happened. Gane is a legit HW and a monster. Clear hole in his grappling, but a monster non the less. Even Francis had to resort to taking him and holding him down. Jon made it look easy. He is the legit Champion.
Now, while I say that. I agree Stipe is the easiest fight and not the #1 contender. But.. Stipe has had a HOF career with a beautiful resume. We all know the Jones fight will most likely be his last. I think he even said as much.
Jones has pretty much said that he for sure has 2 fights left. It was Francis and then Stipe but that changed to Gane and then Stipe. After that, hes not sure. So he may retire as well.
Its 1 fight. Unfortunately its been delayed and is now stalling the division. Which is why we have the interim champ now. I feel like both of these legends have earned their Legend vs Legend fight. What kind of vile community are we to deny them of that if its on the table. No one is ducking anyone. Jones clearly said way back when that these was the 2 fights he planned on having, and then who knows. Hes sticking with the plan, and because he got hurt and the Stipe fight was delayed. Causing a Tom situation, some fans want to act like "fuck Jones AND Stipe"
To be clear, Id much rather see Jones fight Tom. But I get and understand why the Stipe fight is happening over Tom.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

HW isn't as good as people think it is.

What could beat Jon Jones is a style with competency in multiple dimensions. Astute fight iq, mindset and intelligence on multiple fronts.

Such as what we seen from DC.

Jones is the best defensive fighter in the sports history. A master at controlling, manipulating the kicking range in a way that stifles and mitigates damage, using his length in tricky ways to avoid being hit as well.

If there's anyone in the history of the sport you would not bet on a punchers chance against, It's Jones.

Tom is a breath of fresh air in that he's well rounded, technical, has some youth on his side.

But he's not the boogyman people think he is. Tell me with specific examples, what is it that Jones is afraid of? What does Tom possess that Jones hasn't seen before

I think people are just a little ridiculous when it comes to Jones. Deep down people want to see him lose, there's emotional investment attached to it.

Because he's viewed as a villain, someone who needs to be brought down a peg, or whatever the case may be.

As such, rationality goes out the window. Endless mental gymnastics and goalpost shifting in a way that attempts to frames his fight career negatively.

Another example of you creating a narrative that doesn't exit. Stop talking about boogeyman and people being scared when no one is saying that.

Tom is the hardest risk. People want to see him fight in what is just the better fight. It's that simple. Tom has more power than Jon's other opponents. He is more well rounded than many Jon has faced before (most of his opponents are specialists) and generally the well rounded guys give him more trouble. He is a legitimate that Jon cannot overpower in a single aspect. Both of them need to be well rounded and mix thing up to with and that is a recipe for an amazing fight.

Jon's career is framed negatively because of his own actions. The Ped busts and sitting out for half his career made it easy for critics to be harsh on him. And that is completely his fault. No one made him do those things. His fans, like you, fight so hard to paint him as a faultless figure and it is ridiculous.

I don't care if Jon wins, loses, retires, pops again, gets hurt, or whatever. You want to fight Stipe and make money? Go for it. Just give up the belt and let the division actually move forward. I want to see the best fight the best. Jon is one of the best and he is avoiding the best guy in his division. That is worthy of criticism.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Some of you are clearly speaking through a biasness. And while good points are being made, your whole post gets disregarded when you say stuff like, "Jones isnt the real champ" Like the fight with Gane never happened. Gane is a legit HW and a monster. Clear hole in his grappling, but a monster non the less. Even Francis had to resort to taking him and holding him down. Jon made it look easy. He is the legit Champion.
Now, while I say that. I agree Stipe is the easiest fight and not the #1 contender. But.. Stipe has had a HOF career with a beautiful resume. We all know the Jones fight will most likely be his last. I think he even said as much.
Jones has pretty much said that he for sure has 2 fights left. It was Francis and then Stipe but that changed to Gane and then Stipe. After that, hes not sure. So he may retire as well.
Its 1 fight. Unfortunately its been delayed and is now stalling the division. Which is why we have the interim champ now. I feel like both of these legends have earned their Legend vs Legend fight. What kind of vile community are we to deny them of that if its on the table. No one is ducking anyone. Jones clearly said way back when that these was the 2 fights he planned on having, and then who knows. Hes sticking with the plan, and because he got hurt and the Stipe fight was delayed. Causing a Tom situation, some fans want to act like "fuck Jones AND Stipe"
To be clear, Id much rather see Jones fight Tom. But I get and understand why the Stipe fight is happening over Tom.

I'm over all the drama. I just don't see Jon vs Stipe being a remotely interesting or entertaining fight. I hate monet fights. They're always intentionally one sided. I don't like that the division is held up for such a dumb fight

 

[xhaydenx]

Tom is in such a shit situation.

The true HW champ, Big Frank, is off in boxing and will never fight him now.

Jon is definitely retiring after Stipe and will never fight him.

Stipe is the next biggest name at HW and he'll retire after fighting Jon, unless he wins, which is very unlikely.

Tom's going to have no choice but to win a vacant belt and then build a legacy off of guys who don't have one themselves.

The best guy he can fight is Gane, a guy who lost to two of the above mentioned guys, and one of those times was in embarrassing fashion where he got totally exposed.

Even if he goes on a massive streak as champ, everyone's still going to see Tom as a paper champ.

 

[rjmbrd]

The UFC is at fault here. They book and control title fights.

Jon should be looking to make the most money with the least brain damage. That is the point of prize fighting. All the other stuff is teenager mindset about karate movies. These are humans with families, collect the best bag you can for the least work.

The UFC knows enough of their general PPV audience doesn't follow the sport closely and has no thoughts on legitimacy of the belt or sport.

It is completely absurd Jones is allowed take a year off without being stripped. It is completely absurd he would not fight the #1 contender and literal interim belt holder upon return. It is completely absurd he would fight a semi-retired fighter, coming off a devastating loss, who hasn't won a fight in YEARS for his title defense.

MMA fans know this, the UFC doesn't think you make up enough of the paying audience to matter. Its run like an entertainment product, not a sport.