Joe Rogan isnt sold on the Bing Bang theory finds Jesus resurrection more plausible

[Koro_11]

I made fun of you statement because it was dumb. You didn’t even try to defend it so it seems you agree.

I’m sorry that putting words in “ “ while showing a clear lack of understanding of their definitions is dumb but it just is.

Ummmm, I guess we’re approaching “I know you are but what am I” territory.

Oh shit, look I put that in quotes too, probably don’t understand what that means either.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Is that your conclusion, that your morals are whatever enough people tell you that they are, and if they all change their mind tomorrow your morals become something else?

You’re describing how a society comes up with laws.

Of course. It is inherent inside us

Counter point- you don’t have to teach a child to lie, steal, or cheat. They come pre programmed with that in them.

You acknowledge that a lot of immoral stuff is still going on in many parts of the world, and I believe somewhere deep inside you know it's morally wrong.

We believe it’s morally wrong, his point is the perpetrators and those who benefit from that stuff don’t think it is morally wrong.

The problem with that one is that for every person who is genuinely confused about their gender, there will be countless criminals, perverts, and narcissists who will use it to their advantage to manipulate the system, get an advantage in sports competitions, or put actual women in dangerous and uncomfortable situations or worse.

I’m sure you’ve for some evidence to support this wild statement.

I don't know how my morals would look 200 or 2000 years ago

read a book and see

It is inherently in us. We are born with it. We grow. When we see others like us hurt, we feel it. Do you need to be told what is right? That is what you are saying? We need a book to tell us it is wrong to kill and rape?

Kids are dicks though, as stated previously. They bully the shit out of each other just for being different

 

[shockaholic12]

We can talk about spaceships if you want.

They are tools. They help us thrive.

Like humans, chimps can make and use tools too.

Humans are more intelligent so they can apply this concept to a vaster degree but this doesn’t exclude chimps from having the ability as well.

Now replace the word tools with morals. Is it still all going over your head?

@Koro_11

 

[Cajun]

We can talk about spaceships if you want.

They are tools. They help us thrive.

Like humans, chimps can make and use tools too.

Humans are more intelligent so they can apply this concept to a vaster degree but this doesn’t exclude chimps from having the ability as well.

Now replace the word tools with morals. Is it still all going over your head?

@Koro_11

Hes made a good accounting of himself imo. Lots of peeps commenting and he keeps responding. I've enjoyed the back and forth.

 

[Crazy Source]

Kids are dicks though, as stated previously. They bully the shit out of each other just for being different

Even then I knew it was wrong. I carry shit to this day from when I was young. I was a decent human being even then, but very impressionable.

 

[Cajun]

You’re describing how a society comes up with laws.

Counter point- you don’t have to teach a child to lie, steal, or cheat. They come pre programmed with that in them.

We believe it’s morally wrong, his point is the perpetrators and those who benefit from that stuff don’t think it is morally wrong.

I’m sure you’ve for some evidence to support this wild statement.

read a book and see

Kids are dicks though, as stated previously. They bully the shit out of each other just for being different

Spot on about kids.

 

[Cajun]

Even then I knew it was wrong. I carry shit to this day from when I was young. I was a decent human being when I was young, but very impressionable.

I've always pictured you as a dick from childhood if that makes any difference.

 

[Bob Gray]

expanded on. Did not supersede. His rules still apply in many instances and as you said are valuable, so it seems you agree with me that he is evidence our contributions will be seen as applicable and valuable down the road too.

Again, were just quibbling but we aren't on the same page. Some of it has been superseded. Youre nitpicking the use of expanded vs supercede and it doesnt even matter to my what Im saying..Like most scientists, he was not 100% accurate. I don't know what to tell you. This isnt an argument that he's wrong or his contributions are not profound and still applicable today, which seems to be what you think Im saying.

But whatever. Let's just say expanded on and leave it at that. The point is our understanding of things that happened 15 billion years ago will likely be expanded on, just like the things that happen now, that are completely observable. There's many things that are accepted scientifically that are not actually measurable or observable, but the conclusion is at the end of an inferential trail of data. Thats all well and good, because they work with what they have. But as the capabilities grow, it also expands on what can actually be observed, and when that happens it tends to lead to changes in this inferential trail.

The big bang was not readily accepted and the scientific community was incredibly reluctant to move away from the notion that the universe was static and unchanging, and arguments at the time even had roots in the philosophical, like how the big bang from a catholic priest seemed eerily similar to the idea that theists could now have a beginning ("Let there be light").

And the point is, still, in the year 2225, the things accepted about concepts that are largely rooted in inferences are quite likely to see massive upheaval. Just like how the scientifc community moved away from a static, unchanging universe to a universe rapidly expanding. This is not a small change. It wouldn't fall under "expanded upon". Its a massive, cataclysmic change of direction even greater than the Earth not being the center of rhe universe. The likelihood of rhe current concepts and understanding being every bit as inaccurate as the last concepts is very high. Especially the further we get from immediate, observable, measurable and repeatable observation. Like an incident 15 billion years ago.

 

[Deorum]

Paul never even mentions the Virgin birth. That didn't get added until later, with the Gospels of Luke and Matthew, and their accounts don't even agree with each other.

Athanasius was probably annoyed by the omission when he was compiling the books that would become official canon. Damn it, Paul. He had a lot on his plate, man.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Even then I knew it was wrong. I carry shit to this day from when I was young. I was a decent human being even then, but very impressionable.

Impressionable is the word here. You can start younger- no one teaches a toddler to lie, steal, cheat, or be violent towards someone else. They do this inherently.

 

[Crazy Source]

Impressionable is the word here. You can start younger- no one teaches a toddler to lie, steal, cheat, or be violent towards someone else. They do this inherently.

I don't know what kind of fucking hell child you were, but I never did that stuff.

Seriously. Maybe you have it in you. I have been an empath from the very beginning.

 

[Cajun]

Impressionable is the word here. You can start younger- no one teaches a toddler to lie, steal, cheat, or be violent towards someone else. They do this inherently.

Even the very basic principle of sharing. My boys don't inherently share and have to be taught. Though they are very sweet boys.

 

[Andy Capp]

Just like Newtonian Mechanics, GR and QM will likely be seen as approximations of a deeper, more unified framework. I really doubt though that we'll ever be able to see empirically what happened before the Planck time after the Big Bang. If we can't find something testable then much of the unified theory will exist in Metaphysics/Philosophy and not science.

Indeed, I have not claimed otherwise ITT or elsewhere.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

And the point is, still, in the year 2225, the things accepted about concepts that are largely rooted in inferences are quite likely to see massive upheaval. Just like how the scientifc community moved away from a static, unchanging universe to a universe rapidly expanding. This is not a small change. It wouldn't fall under "expanded upon". Its a massive, cataclysmic change of direction even greater than the Earth not being the center of rhe universe. The likelihood of rhe current concepts and understanding being every bit as inaccurate as the last concepts is very high. Especially the further we get from immediate, observable, measurable and repeatable observation. Like an incident 15 billion years ago.

Really doubt that, the earth centric model made some correct but less accurate predictions than Helio centric models but was fundamentally incorrect. GR and QM are the most accurate and precise fields of science in our history and have ratings of 5 Sigma and above.

GR predicts gravitational lensing, time dilation, black holes, gravitational waves, all confirmed with working technology today.

QM predicted atomic spectra, semiconductors, lasers, quantum tunneling, all confirmed with technology today.

In the future they will most likely be absorbed into a unified model and be shown to be approximations, they way Newtonian Mechanics was with modern physics.

 

[Andy Capp]

I've always pictured you as a dick from childhood if that makes any difference.

So, like, a really little one?

 

[Crazy Source]

Really doubt that, the earth centric model made some correct but less accurate predictions than Helio centric models but was fundamentally incorrect. GR and QM are the most accurate and precise fields of science in our history and have ratings of 5 Sigma and above.

GR predicts gravitational lensing, time dilation, black holes, gravitational waves, all confirmed with working technology today.

QM predicted atomic spectra, semiconductors, lasers, quantum tunneling, all confirmed with technology today.

In the future they will most likely be absorbed into a unified model and be shown to be approximations, they way Newtonian Mechanics was.

How does time as we know it get folded into that?

 

[Bob Gray]

Really doubt that, the earth centric model made some correct but less accurate predictions than Helio centric models but was fundamentally incorrect. GR and QM are the most accurate and precise fields of science in our history and have ratings of 5 Sigma and above.

GR predicts gravitational lensing, time dilation, black holes, gravitational waves, all confirmed with working technology today.

QM predicted atomic spectra, semiconductors, lasers, quantum tunneling, all confirmed with technology today.

In the future they will most likely be absorbed into a unified model and be shown to be approximations, they way Newtonian Mechanics was.

Well, if 2225 rolls around and I'm wrong. I owe you a coke.

 

[Cajun]

So, like, a really little one?

Hahahahaha. That really made me laugh. Hes my bud but I gotta poke the bear at times to keep him straight.

 

[Cajun]

Impressionable is the word here. You can start younger- no one teaches a toddler to lie, steal, cheat, or be violent towards someone else. They do this inherently.

Also its been a while since we interacted offline. Here are my boys at Easter.

 

[Andy Capp]

Really doubt that, the earth centric model made some correct but less accurate predictions than Helio centric models but was fundamentally incorrect. GR and QM are the most accurate and precise fields of science in our history and have ratings of 5 Sigma and above.

GR predicts gravitational lensing, time dilation, black holes, gravitational waves, all confirmed with working technology today.

QM predicted atomic spectra, semiconductors, lasers, quantum tunneling, all confirmed with technology today.

In the future they will most likely be absorbed into a unified model and be shown to be approximations, they way Newtonian Mechanics was.

Speaking of things I already said ITT, I pointed out that successful theories like your examples above make predictions that can be verified experimentally. The big bang is one such. E.g. it predicted the cosmic microwave background (CMB).

It's a point that is either deliberately ignored or flies right over the head of people ITT saying it's just a guess and no more likely than any other attempt to explain the current state of the universe. It's not a matter of opinion, plain and simple.