Joe Rogan isnt sold on the Bing Bang theory finds Jesus resurrection more plausible

[TheMaster]

Joe is likely searching at this point, as a lot of people are. His views change over time. He likely is partly agnostic. I believe he used to be a hard atheist when younger.

Joel Osteen is not considered a Christian or good example by many in the Christian community. He is looked at as a fraud and what is called a "false teacher."

Joel is slimy as hell which is why I was suprised to hear him come out with some open minded views- we should reserve judgement on the fate of others that is not our role. He did expose himself though in the whole Hurrican Harvey situation.

Kenneth Copeland though is a whole different beast he is literally signalling he is from the depths I guess he managed to scare so many thousands into giving he is now a billionaire.

 

[RockyLockridge]

So he's now fully done a 180°, he's a complete Trump and republican shill, going against everything he's said in the past in order to suck the dick of the machine and keep him in their good graces. He really is a midget with a Napoleon complex, and he see's the powerful losers of the world as the right people to suck up to.

Dude has no fortitude, morals, ethics, he really just sold out for money and power. What a fucking pathetic person just a straight up loser, I'm sure his daughters hate him.

get help

 

[Cajun]

It goes beyond that. Prots don't believe in the veneration of images and consider it a form of idolatry. They even went as far as destroying artwork across Europe for over a century after the Reformation kicked off. Catholicism is obviously deep into sensory and visual aesthetics that are designed to evoke a sense of the divine and facilitate spiritual experiences (as well as soft indoctrination, tbh). It's not any kind of coincidence there are drop dead gorgeous cathedrals to be found all over the world or that the Vatican has commissioned a lot of the most iconic artwork in the history of the western canon.

It was born out of Luther and the Protestant reformation. With the indulgences and the money used for ornation instead of the poor at that time, Luther went the opposite direction and most of that influence still stands. I am Protestant but have always appreciated some things about the Catholic church.

 

[Cajun]

Joe is likely searching at this point, as a lot of people are. His views change over time. He likely is partly agnostic. I believe he used to be a hard atheist when younger.

Joel Osteen is not considered a Christian or good example by many in the Christian community. He is looked at as a fraud and what is called a "false teacher."

Agreed. He gives a pep talk every Sunday. No substance at all.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Democrats and lefties hate anything opposed to their views.

Oh the irony

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Yet, somehow, you are able to get your head around the concept that everything around us came to existence from nothing in a second for no apparent reason or purpose?

You will accept the most unlikely and far fetched scenario of all, and you think that’s the more rational take?

I can't get my head around either concept and think it's a complete mystery.

 

[Koro_11]

I can't get my head around either concept and think it's a complete mystery.

You say that, but most of your talking points are that of a secular atheist.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

You say that, but most of your talking points are that of a secular atheist.

I'm 100% agnostic.

 

[Bob Gray]

I've been over this with a few religious people before and the best they can come up with was that god just somehow always existed or that he created himself somehow.

Im not religious, but the general argument is that the universe needs a creator because everything we perceive about the universe indicates that its necessary for the universe to have one to follow its own laws as we know them.

And then whatever God would be is the creator of the universe itself, and therefore exists outside of it and would not be subject to the laws of the universe since they created said laws.

Kind of like how a computer programmer doesnt need to operate according to the logistics of the programs they create.

This is obviously an absurdly simplistic take, but its the general idea.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Im not religious, but the general argument is that the universe needs a creator because everything we perceive about the universe indicates that its necessary for the universe to have one to follow its own laws as we know them.

And then whatever God would be is the creator of the universe itself, and therefore exists outside of it and would not be subject to the laws of the universe since they created said laws.

Kind of like how a computer programmer doesnt need to operate according to the logistics of the programs they create.

This is obviously an absurdly simplistic take, but its the general idea.

Yeah but then what world do they exist within if any? That's where I can't make any sense of it.

 

[Bob Gray]

Yeah but then what world do they exist within if any? That's where I can't make any sense of it.

Well, thats completely outside the scope of anything we could possibly understand, heh. We can barely even understand traffic laws, much less the nature of the universe and even more so the nature of whats outside o fit.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Well, thats completely outside the scope of anything we could possibly understand, heh. We can barely even understand traffic laws, much less the nature of the universe and especially the nature of whats outside o fit.

Yep, this is why I will always be 100% agnostic lol. I understand it about as well as an ant understands how the internet works.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Not sure why the alternative to the story of Jesus has to be the Big Bang, or even if you are atheist/agnostic that would require a belief in the theory of the Big Bang, but if you watch the actual podcast rather than a short clip or Fox getting wet over Rogan saying this, you'll see he wasn't being completely serious. I don't think Joe has gone back to Christianity. He was raised in that shit and abandoned it a long time ago.

 

[Bob Gray]

Yep, this is why I will always be 100% agnostic lol. I understand it about as well as an ant understands how the internet works.

Yeah, at the end of the day the older I get the more I realize the majority of time people are just aligning whatever arguments they use with whatever their worldview is and ignore things to the contrary. Im not immune to that either. I try to be objective but I probably fail more often than not. I admit I tend to get a laugh out of normal people trying to use cosmological and scientific arguments on internet forums, even as I do the same goddamn thing time after time.

 

[Crazy Source]

Joe is likely searching at this point, as a lot of people are. His views change over time. He likely is partly agnostic. I believe he used to be a hard atheist when younger.

Joel Osteen is not considered a Christian or good example by many in the Christian community. He is looked at as a fraud and what is called a "false teacher."

Joe isn't searching for a damned thing. He is just playing to his audience.

 

[ermac88]

Yeah if the bible was Game of Thrones I believe fans of season one would have found season two a bit soft.

LOL!

No doubt.

The old testament was a mythology of its time, nasty.

The big dude in the sky was nastier than Zuess, Odin, Chronos. Straight murdering civilizations ordering rapes, mentioning of winged beasts (House of the Dragon) and other spectacular deities


The Old Testament was BRUTAL

When Ive spoken to Christians about what happened to the OG god between books, its been explained to me he got softer I think because of his mortal son, I think.

If it was televised today on HBO max, ratings definitely would have dropped.

 

[ermac88]

You will accept the most unlikely and far fetched scenario of all, and you think that’s the more rational take?

A deeply complicated physical phenomena is less rational than a supernatural mythology?

 

[HereticBD]

A deeply complicated physical phenomena is less rational than a supernatural mythology?

"There was nothing, and then there was something."

So deep. So complex. So science.

 

[Koro_11]

A deeply complicated physical phenomena is less rational than a supernatural mythology?

Everything out of nothing for no purpose at all sounds like the most supernatural mythology of all.

LOL @ "complicated physical phenomena"... show me just one example where anything even remotely similar has ever occurred anywhere. All the matter in the universe, trillions of stars and planets, all out of absolutely nothing, for no reason at all... have you thought about that for even 10 seconds, try it...

 

[ermac88]

"There was nothing, and then there was something."

So deep. So complex. So science.

This explanation and comprehension, conveys why a super natural explanation would make more sense to many