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Crime Joe pardons Hunter

GearSolidMetal said:
What is 'Shit I just pulled out of my ass, for $400' Alex?

You're not a guest on MSNBC, where no one questions obvious bullshit as long as it conforms to the media narrative. It only takes a few moments to fact-check obvious bullshit to confirm its obvious bullshit.

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No executive orders related to Afghanistan from the 2020 election to inauguration day.

So you should consider trying BluSky. It's users are far more gullible so you'll develop a following.
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lol Trump invited the taliban to the White House.




Here’s McMaster his own general asking him why he negotiated with Taliban


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Donald Trump holds responsibility for Afghanistan withdraw, ex-adviser says

Former National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster denounced Trump's negotiations with the Taliban prior to the withdrawal.
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Here’s joint chiefs mark Milley testifying about receiving an order from Trump on November 11 saying to withdraw all troops by January 15


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Trump initially gave the order to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan by Jan. 15, Joint Chiefs Chair Milley confirms

The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week
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Its not an executive order in the traditional sense but it was an order from the President.



Back to Truth social you go dumb fuck
 
SKYNET said:
The fact that Biden lied and has a history of questionable integrity does not mean anyone could or should assume malfeasance in regards to the mysterious timeline and length of this pardon
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He lied about Hunter from the start, and now lied about not pardoning him. Hunter was never qualified for being on the board of Chinese Private Equity Firm BHR of which he had a 10% stake after meeting with the head of the fund, on a trip he took with Papa Joe on Air Force One to China. He was never qualified for being a director on the board of Burisma - a Ukrainian-owned private energy company while his father was the Obama administration's pointman on US-Ukrainian relations. This shit stinks to high heaven.....
BFoe said:
Not exactly “legit,” but not necessarily criminal either. If memory serves, there was a former Bush administration official who got a cushy job in Ukraine because of his name and status. It’s well known that Ukraine does/did that.

But it also doesn’t mean that Hunter was involved in some massive criminal lobbying/money laundering scheme or whatever. I think Hunter’s answer on this—which was that he was qualified for the job he had but would probably never have gotten it without being a Biden—is probably accurate.
There’s no real evidence that Hunter was funneling millions of dollars to family members in any criminal way.

To the point that @I Am Legion made: it’s very lazy, and very disingenuous, to sum up our position as “but Trump.” The bottom line is that you guys get pissy if we don’t hold our candidates to a higher standard than you hold yours. That’s it.

The worst things Hunter could’ve possibly done, are things we know people like Manafort and Flynn definitely did, they got pardons, none of you cared.

I am having a tough time understanding why we are supposed to care about things our candidate and family *allegedly* does, that your candidate’s family or associates have already done and you didn’t care about.
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You don't think foreign nations like China and Ukraine paying the Biden family millions (which the IRS traced) is an issue? You think thats less of an issue than Trump banging a porn star? You think Trumps real estate team using an inflated number of property values which every real estate person in America does is worse than Hunter securing millions on his Dad's name and more probably favors and influence? Just calla fucking spade a spade....this shit is some devious shit, and we all know Papa Joe's influence was all over it. That is too shady to ignore because of political bias. Fuck Trump, but we aren;t talking about him, this is about the criminal crack head son of a President that was just pardoned.
 
Scerpi said:
Behind every out of control drug addict or alcoholic is at least one enabler family member...

Could be a parent, grand parent, spouse, sibling, etc...

Its only when the addict has exhausted all the good will of family and friends... hitting rock bottom, is there hope they (on their own) will make to decision to get help.

Interventions, bailing them out (for the last time!!), loaning money (for the last time!!) all allow the addict to maintain their current behavior.

I've seen it twice up close.

When I was married, my wife's cousin was in and out of jail for DUI's... Even after a two year stint, he got caught passed out on the Texas City Dike, high centered on the rocks with his... guess who?... his grandma's car.

She was the enabler. He always went to her in desperate times and she could never say no.

And it was sad how he played her. When he was prison, he'd write her flowery letters... then ask for money. Grandma would beg my wife or this guy's sister to drive her to the prison to see him.

Then she passed away... and we never heard from him again. I honestly don't know where he is. Likely in jail again.
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And we ignore his daughter was ALSO an addict that basically blames molestation for her woes, and even implicated her own father. That is PROVEN.
 
ChosenOne said:
Nullshit.

Crimes are committed every single day by people struggling with drugs and alcohol.

Those crimes are RARELY charged to the fullest extent of the law and often the person recovery and actions, post the crime, are considered with leniency being more common that not.


You are arguing for each and every one of those to be re-opened and prosecuted to the full extent of the law, a decade after, and when the person is straight while saying 'fathers would support that'... 'because fathers not believe their kid should have been given a less deal to begin with'.

This is not opinion, you are simply wrong about that. Maybe a father who hates his kid would want the lesser deals set aside and full prosecution of a clean kid to go forward out of some warped belief he should have had the book thrown at him in the beginning but no loving father would want that.
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No I am not arguing for each and every one of those to be prosecuted in every case. But I have personally witnessed people go to jail 5 years after their recovery date and go willingly and with a sense of responsibility....

You are arguing that every single father would have pardoned their son in this situation and I'm telling you that's not true. You're black and white thinking is wrong-headed here and misinformed.

You are assuming a lot of things about Hunter's character that may or may not be true. I tend to think he was trying to levy his father's power into financial gain for himself dishonestly with or without his father's knowledge. I don't know that for certain, but that's what I think was happening so that isn't the behavior of a recovered addict.. that would be the old behavior of an addict. that's the behavior of an addict waiting to relapse or relapsing on a different kind of drug (crime) which is very common.


Now obviously no one can know Hunter biden's inner state.... so you would be the only one arguing certainty from uncertain data here.

And the larger point is the most relevant one, which is that the Democrats are in a battle for moral superiority and they are in a battle against an absolute villain who has no bottom. We simply cannot compete with him on his terms or we fight his fight and lose. We risk becoming like him in the battle against him which is his intention and goal in my opinion. We have to make trump fight our fight but the only fight we have against a person like that is truth and honesty and integrity.

I think it does great damage to our cause to justify what Biden did here.

Biden himself seemed to agree for many years, so it's not like this is an absurd position, even according to Biden.
 
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Good on Joe for doing it. Just the memes are worth it.
 
terrapin said:
No I am not arguing for each and every one of those to be prosecuted in every case. But I have personally witnessed people go to jail 5 years after their recovery date and go willingly and with a sense of responsibility....
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I am cutting out the rest of your bullshit reply.

AGAIN, we are NOT speaking about cases where the person has evaded responsibility and the law for 5 years, get caught and then have to serve time to be fully accountable.

What we ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, is a case where a son, takes accountability, submits to the courts, gets verdicts and make reparations, and then cleans up his life and moves on for a decade.

What your point is HERE, is that you think fathers would support the re-opening the case because the son did not get the maximum punishment the first time, and that the son would be better served a decade after getting cleaned by getting max punishment.

AGAIN, most non violent drug crimes do not receive the max, and people are allowed to submit, get convicted on lesser charges and make amends and move on.

So you need to make the case why you say a father would want his kid to be re-submitted to a do over so long after?
 
ChosenOne said:
I am cutting out the rest of your bullshit reply.

AGAIN, we are NOT speaking about cases where the person has evaded responsibility and the law for 5 years, get caught and then have to serve time to be fully accountable.

What we ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, is a case where a son, takes accountability, submits to the courts, gets verdicts and make reparations, and then cleans up his life and moves on for a decade.

What your point is HERE, is that you think fathers would support the re-opening the case because the son did not get the maximum punishment the first time, and that the son would be better served a decade after getting cleaned by getting max punishment.

AGAIN, most non violent drug crimes do not receive the max, and people are allowed to submit, get convicted on lesser charges and make amends and move on.

So you need to make the case why you say a father would want his kid to be re-submitted to a do over so long after?
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Well if you want to cut out the rest of my argument, I guess you don't want to have a good faith discussion because it's the main thrust of my argument.


It is a fact that not every father would pardon their son in this case. You're just saying that to justify it and losing moral credibility for the Democratic party as you do it. You also seem to be making the argument that just because a lot of people would do something, it's the right thing to do.

We are in a fight against a genuine villain in Trump and we must have the clearest of boundaries between his dishonest lying slanderous behavior and ours. What Biden did just now is deal a serious blow to that moral credibility.
 
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ChosenOne said:
Not really.

The Republicans were threatening to re-run the investigations on the Benghazi crap, despite, what is it now,. 4 or 6 official investigations coming up with nothing.

They know they cannot get convictions but they also know the non stop investigation, that go nowhere, exact a big price, and that is why they do it.

Biden should pardon all the actions around that too, not because they are guilty but simply because magats shamelessly will run investigations 8 thru 25 non stop, if they do not and the magats will cheer it on believing that 'in the next investigation they will get them'.
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If this is/was simply a witch hunt then why did Biden's own DOJ go along with it?

And why does Hunter need a pardon for the last few years as well?
 
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Andy Capp said:
So, why did twice as many Americans as Canadians (relative to our respective populations) die from COVID?
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Because of how democrats fumbled the response to the disease. Trump was the guy who wanted to close down travel to and from other countries. Democrats were the ones who laughed, called him a xenophobe and suggested going to Mardi Gras and Chinatown or out to see a movie. Remember how Andrew Cuomo flopped in NY and cost all those seniors their lives? Probably not.

It wouldn't have mattered anyway, everyone ended up getting covid and are still getting it.
 
I Am Legion said:
He lied about Hunter from the start, and now lied about not pardoning him. Hunter was never qualified for being on the board of Chinese Private Equity Firm BHR of which he had a 10% stake after meeting with the head of the fund, on a trip he took with Papa Joe on Air Force One to China. He was never qualified for being a director on the board of Burisma - a Ukrainian-owned private energy company while his father was the Obama administration's pointman on US-Ukrainian relations. This shit stinks to high heaven.....

You don't think foreign nations like China and Ukraine paying the Biden family millions (which the IRS traced) is an issue? You think thats less of an issue than Trump banging a porn star? You think Trumps real estate team using an inflated number of property values which every real estate person in America does is worse than Hunter securing millions on his Dad's name and more probably favors and influence? Just calla fucking spade a spade....this shit is some devious shit, and we all know Papa Joe's influence was all over it. That is too shady to ignore because of political bias. Fuck Trump, but we aren;t talking about him, this is about the criminal crack head son of a President that was just pardoned.
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lol wait , what are we talking about here? Trump literally put his son in law in charge of Middle East relationships and secured 2 billion for his firm from the saudis


The hypocrisy from the right is insane
 
I don't know how people can convincingly argue that there wasn't lawfare involved in the Hunter Biden charges.

They were trying to give him 25 years for:

1. Lying on a form about drug use when purchasing a gun. If we stringently prosecute this to the fullest extent of the law, half the people who own guns in this country would be in prison for weed.

2. Not paying his taxes. Which he eventually paid including penalties.

No normal person would get 25 years for this. Get real. It was politically motivated.

Just like Trump's BS 34 felony charges for "falsifying business records."

That E. Jean Carroll civil suit was a crock of shit too.

People: JUST CALL BALLS AND STRIKES OBJECTIVELY. Instead of selectively and hypocritically only criticizing one side.
 
I Am Legion said:
You don't think foreign nations like China and Ukraine paying the Biden family millions (which the IRS traced) is an issue? You think thats less of an issue than Trump banging a porn star? You think Trumps real estate team using an inflated number of property values which every real estate person in America does is worse than Hunter securing millions on his Dad's name and more probably favors and influence? Just calla fucking spade a spade....this shit is some devious shit, and we all know Papa Joe's influence was all over it. That is too shady to ignore because of political bias. Fuck Trump, but we aren;t talking about him, this is about the criminal crack head son of a President that was just pardoned.
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Banging a porn star? Dude, Donald Trump received millions from China! Are you not aware of this?<lol>
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China Paid Trump Millions In Rent. Then He Left The White House

The state-owned Industrial and Commercial Bank of China extended its Trump Tower lease while Trump was president, even though it had recently rented a bigger space nearby. The bank vacated around the time Trump left the White House.
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We have 6000 pages of tax records of Trump’s money dealings in China—while he was POTUS. And he just got voted in again.
And that’s not even the worst of it. GA, J6, and classified docs were probably worse than those things and worse than the things you listed.

China wasn’t paying the Bidens millions, and Hunter was paid by Ukraine for a job he had in Ukraine. We just had a Special Counsel investigation into Hunter’s dealings, and all we got out of it was a flimsy gun charge and some tax evasion, with that money already having been paid back.

So I’ll ask the question again: What is it we think Hunter *might* have done, that an associate or family member of Trump’s hasn’t already done, and been pardoned for? And Part 2 of that question is: since Trump supporters didn’t care about that then, why should I care now?

Oh I know, I know:
I Am Legion said:
Fuck Trump, but we aren’t talking about him
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Seano said:
Because of how democrats fumbled the response to the disease. Trump was the guy who wanted to close down travel to and from other countries. Democrats were the ones who laughed, called him a xenophobe and suggested going to Mardi Gras and Chinatown or out to see a movie. Remember how Andrew Cuomo flopped in NY and cost all those seniors their lives? Probably not.
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Holy shit youre dumber than I thought. You should be making 45 k not 60 k.


Trump controlled the white house
Mitch McConnell controlled the senate
And Dems controlled the house

So 2/3 controlled by the republicans and you’re blaming democrats lmfao !!! You stupid fuck

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I know educumakation has been defunded in dat dere state of yours but here’s the 116th Congress who presided over Covid.
 
BFoe said:
Interesting. When would you say it is time to talk about those things, because I’d like to get that scheduled on my calendar?
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On the forum homepage there's a little bubble marked "create thread" you can make a thread about any topic you want instead of making other threads about something else. The future is now.
 
ChosenOne said:
Nullshit.

Crimes are committed every single day by people struggling with drugs and alcohol.

Those crimes are RARELY charged to the fullest extent of the law and often the person recovery and actions, post the crime, are considered with leniency being more common that not.


You are arguing for each and every one of those to be re-opened and prosecuted to the full extent of the law, a decade after, and when the person is straight while saying 'fathers would support that'... 'because fathers not believe their kid should have been given a less deal to begin with'.

This is not opinion, you are simply wrong about that. Maybe a father who hates his kid would want the lesser deals set aside and full prosecution of a clean kid to go forward out of some warped belief he should have had the book thrown at him in the beginning but no loving father would want that.
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We've got prisons full of drug addicts here in VA. Even had a woman charged with lying about drug use on a background check for a gun purchase.

Not that ant of that matters to you because you simplt want to justify this.
 
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