Crime Joe pardons Hunter

[Deleted member 577981]

You make my point. thanks.

Yes if your father is in the throws of his alcoholism, then rescuing him from consequences can do more harm than good and a tough love parent would recognize that.

Similarly, if your father had escaped his alcoholism dependency for a decade, reformed his life, made amends for his crimes, but the system wanted to open them up and put him in jail for them, a good father would pardon his son, knowing that this rehash and secondary punishment would be the thing likely to tip him back into addiction.

No, I don't make your point for you. You make my point for me. One of the things a person who gets sober has to do is face the consequences of the wreckage of their past. Unfortunately prison, jail and fines are very often needed and required in order to do that and are faced with courage and a sense of personal responsibility.

Just putting the alcohol or the drug down is the very beginning of recovery which is a lifelong process.. Then the person has to amend, face, uncover, discover and discard all of the dishonest, selfish, illegal behavior that they have lived.

You have no idea what you're talking about and I have years and years of experience in this field with hundreds and hundreds of people.

So it is demonstrably false that any father would do what Biden did. It is true that some fathers would but it is not true that any father would for lots and lots of reasons.

 

[SKYNET]

I disagree.

The adults in the room have already spoken my child. Take that up with them.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

For what it's worth I think Trump probably would have pardoned Hunter as well.

Nope.

Trump would have said something like I've thought very long and hard about pardoning Hunter and wondered if it may be best to let him ride off into the sunset. However, my final decision is that we must have law and order and Hunter must answer for his massive crimes. The same way they tried to punish me for fake crimes that I didn't commit, but Hunter committed his crimes.

 

[BFoe]

This thread is about Biden pardoning his son. It's a terrible look for Joe and Dems considering he said he wouldn't.

It's pretty fucked up.

What Trump did doesn't mitigate that. This is the time to be consistent and condemn this. It's not a time to whatabout Trump.

Interesting. When would you say it is time to talk about those things, because I’d like to get that scheduled on my calendar?

You guys have ducked and deflected this all of this shit for the last 8 years, and it looks like we’ve got 4 more years of it coming. Anytime one of your guys gets away with something, it’s “winning,” it’s “cope and seethe,” it’s “cry liberal tears,” and so on.

This is the level of dialogue our two sides have right now, because this is the level of dialogue that Trump supporters and the alt-Right have created.

 

[SKYNET]

Just straight up plagiarism? At least you should credit the author. TBF there have been quite a few posts from righties here trying to strawman if Trump did this. Responding to those kinds of posts is fair game.

I already tagged you once for your wisdom. It inevitably knocked off a few knuckleheads from earlier.

I'll take the wheel from here on out thanks.

 

[SKYNET]

Interesting. When would you say it is time to talk about those things, because I’d like to get that scheduled on my calendar?
You guys have ducked and deflected this all of this shit for the last 8 years, and it looks like we’ve got 4 more years of it coming. Anytime one of your guys gets away with something, it’s “winning,” it’s “cope and seethe,” it’s “cry liberal tears,” and so on.
This is the level of dialogue our two sides have right now, because this is the level of dialogue that Trump supporters and the alt-Right have created.

The adults in the room have already spoken my child. Take that up with them.

 

[GtehMVP]

This thread is delicious and hilarious. I love how much and how far back this pardon covers, wiping out so much Biden family crime.

What I especially love is how it taints the Democratic party, the MSM and DOJ that ran ridiculous cover for the Biden's. Let's not forget entities like Facebook that censored users even talking about it leading up to the 2020 election.

Joe destroyed his legacy here too. He never had a good one to begin with, but he was a made man and this ensures it won't be looked back on with fondness, at the very least.

Joe went scorched earth the past month or so. The gloves will be off and we'll likely get some great investigative documentaries down the road that aren't conservative/Maga biased.

I would have done the same thing if I was in his place btw, especially after getting tossed under the bus for freaking cackling Kamala. He had to go, but it was handled so poorly.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

One side has been consistently held to a much higher standard and forced to play by the rules, while the other side was just allowed to go full blown schizo...

Playing by the rules gets you nowhere, as we were just reminded.

Playing by the rules? Didn't Joe give an ambassadorship to the person that paid millions for Hunter's art?

Also why did Joe pardon him for anything that happened over the last 4 years? Was Huner doing illegal things this past year as well?

 

[ChosenOne]

No, I don't make your point for you. You make my point for me. One of the things a person who gets sober has to do is face the consequences of the wreckage of their past. Unfortunately prison, jail and fines are very often needed and required in order to do that and are faced with courage and a sense of personal responsibility.

Just putting the alcohol or the drug down is the very beginning of recovery which is a lifelong process.. Then the person has to amend, face, uncover, discover and discard all of the dishonest, selfish, illegal behavior that they have lived.

You have no idea what you're talking about and I have years and years of experience in this field with hundreds and hundreds of people.

So it is demonstrably false that any father would do what Biden did. It is true that some fathers would but it is not true that any father would for lots and lots of reasons.

NO.

You have no idea what you are talking about if you think your dad, as happened with Hunter, can beat the addiction, deal with the consequences 10 years prior, as Hunter did, and then you say, 'ya but he would benefit if they had a second go around and punished him again'.

That you are saying your dad, or any person, who submitted themselves to the system, already had a judgment and satisfied it and moved on and corrected their life WOULD BENEFIT from being judged a second time and going to jail is your absolute naivety speaking.

It would be one thing if Hunter or your Dad had hid from the crimes and they only just caught up on them but that is not the case here.

 

[SKYNET]

A major symptom of terminal TDS is that every thread must be derailed and blamed on Trump

lol

Not even my actual quote (although the sentiment is mine circa 2021)

My wisdom was mocked and ridiculed over the past 4 years.

Now it's time for the adults on the left to try and get through to the kids on the left.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

You think not reporting millions of dollars of income is a "political witch hunt" while his dad was president? Are there any normal citizens who aren't prosecuted for that?

You should try not reporting $15,000 and see how that goes.

Wesley Snipes said, "normal? I was rich and famous"

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

So I read this excuses hunter for any crimes for 10 years? Is that really the case? If he was found to be murdering the hookers he was banging would this still cover him?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Does this mean he gets his tax settlement back?

 

[Andy Capp]

Covid was a worldwide pandemic. The same would have happened had Spider Man been president. It wouldn't have mattered.

So, why did twice as many Americans as Canadians (relative to our respective populations) die from COVID?

 

[ChosenOne]

This thread is delicious and hilarious. I love how much and how far back this pardon covers, ...

Not really.

The Republicans were threatening to re-run the investigations on the Benghazi crap, despite, what is it now,. 4 or 6 official investigations coming up with nothing.

They know they cannot get convictions but they also know the non stop investigation, that go nowhere, exact a big price, and that is why they do it.

Biden should pardon all the actions around that too, not because they are guilty but simply because magats shamelessly will run investigations 8 thru 25 non stop, if they do not and the magats will cheer it on believing that 'in the next investigation they will get them'.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

NO.

You have no idea what you are talking about if you think your dad, as happened with Hunter, can beat the addiction, deal with the consequences 10 years prior, as Hunter did, and then you say, 'ya but he would benefit if they had a second go around and punished him again'.

That you are saying your dad, or any person, who submitted themselves to the system, already had a judgment and satisfied it and moved on and corrected their life WOULD BENEFIT from being judged a second time and going to jail is your absolute naivety speaking.

It would be one thing if Hunter or your Dad had hid from the crimes and they only just caught up on them but that is not the case here.

Well this is just your opinion as I said and I know for a fact that not every father would feel that way. I have just demonstrated that. Now you're just arguing without adding new information. And it's not just about the benefit. It's about satisfying the requirements of the legal system... you know... that some people actually believe in.

Biden shouldn't have done this for lots of reasons though even beyond this argument.

You made the claim that any father would have done what Biden has done and I just know for a fact that isn't true. Some fathers would, but some fathers with more integrity and more wisdom and more of an understanding of the existential times we are in concerning Trump and his villainy would/could have chosen a higher road.

You are just trying to justify what Biden did by saying everyone would have done it and that's the kind of argument a person makes when they feel guilty for what they're defending. Otherwise why not ground it in perennial principles?

The only weapon we have against Trump is moral superiority. Every single ounce of that we give away is us fighting Trump's fight and he's better at it. Biden is just handing a bunch of that over to Trump.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

Biden’s admin executed it so they own it. Try a little harder next time.

Did we forget Trump invited the fuckin taliban in February 2020 and said he would withdraw all troops by May of 2021?

MAGA is dumb lol

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/US-Withdrawal-from-Afghanistan.pdf

 

[Deleted member 267581]

That Biden said he will review and pushed it out by 4 months and changed the withdraw plans and logistics, Bidens military personnel told Biden to cancel the withdraw but he did it anyways.. Biden had no problem canceling a lot EO's of Trumps. 94 on the border alone, such a weak talking point to cover up failure. No one got fired for that mess it was way worse then what the media showed.

Trump invited the Taliban to the White House and said he would withdraw all troops by May 2021. Trumps owns that

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/US-Withdrawal-from-Afghanistan.pdf

 

[ChosenOne]

Well this is just your opinion as I said and I know for a fact that not every father would feel that way. I have just demonstrated that. Now you're just arguing without adding new information. And it's not just about the benefit. It's about satisfying the requirements of the legal system... you know... that some people actually believe in.

Biden shouldn't have done this for lots of reasons though even beyond this argument.

You made the claim that any father would have done what Biden has done and I just know for a fact that isn't true. Some fathers would, but some fathers with more integrity and more wisdom and more of an understanding of the existential times we are in concerning Trump and his villainy would/could have chosen a higher road.

You are just trying to justify what Biden did by saying everyone would have done it and that's the kind of argument a person makes when they feel guilty for what they're defending. Otherwise why not ground it in perennial principles?

The only weapon we have against Trump is moral superiority. Every single ounce of that we give away is us fighting Trump's fight and he's better at it. Biden is just handing a bunch of that over to Trump.

Nullshit.

Crimes are committed every single day by people struggling with drugs and alcohol.

Those crimes are RARELY charged to the fullest extent of the law and often the person recovery and actions, post the crime, are considered with leniency being more common that not.


You are arguing for each and every one of those to be re-opened and prosecuted to the full extent of the law, a decade after, and when the person is straight while saying 'fathers would support that'... 'because fathers not believe their kid should have been given a less deal to begin with'.

This is not opinion, you are simply wrong about that. Maybe a father who hates his kid would want the lesser deals set aside and full prosecution of a clean kid to go forward out of some warped belief he should have had the book thrown at him in the beginning but no loving father would want that.

 

[Scerpi]

Enabling your child is especially damaging and getting them out of the troubles that they create only helps them maintain the illusion that they can continue to live the way they do. It can be the height of selfishness and weakness to save a loved one from the consequences of their actions.

Behind every out of control drug addict or alcoholic is at least one enabler family member...

Could be a parent, grand parent, spouse, sibling, etc...

Its only when the addict has exhausted all the good will of family and friends... hitting rock bottom, is there hope they (on their own) will make to decision to get help.

Interventions, bailing them out (for the last time!!), loaning money (for the last time!!) all allow the addict to maintain their current behavior.

I've seen it twice up close.

When I was married, my wife's cousin was in and out of jail for DUI's... Even after a two year stint, he got caught passed out on the Texas City Dike, high centered on the rocks with his... guess who?... his grandma's car.

She was the enabler. He always went to her in desperate times and she could never say no.

And it was sad how he played her. When he was prison, he'd write her flowery letters... then ask for money. Grandma would beg my wife or this guy's sister to drive her to the prison to see him.

Then she passed away... and we never heard from him again. I honestly don't know where he is. Likely in jail again.