Joe Duffy has better boxing than Conor and Nate imo. W Gifs

[I WILL CUT YOU]

I'm going to disagree until we see him beat somebody credible, he does go to the body well but he needs a step up in competition. McGregor got his way to a UFC world title using his WEIGHT CUTTING 90% of the time.

Fixed for you.

 

[Tormund]

Fixed for you.

Don't be so bitter, cutting weight doesn't guarantee somebody a world title. Ask Rumble, Poirier, Diego Sanchez, KenFlo etc. That's one of the most retarded logics ever used on sherdog, and that's saying something.

 

[trblesome1]

Duffy has good hands for sure but he doesn't seem to be able to put it together on the biggest stage

Even in his first fight with Conor it didn't look like he was the superior stand up fighter even though he won

 

[Cage917r]

Needs to work on that takedown defense though or it doesn't matter.

 

[SpadeASpade]

i think you might be retarded

 

[donkeyjr]

Poirier whooped him on the feet and on the ground. Duffy is fine but he is nothing special really.

Stop looking at sherdog fighters record and actually watch the fight yourself. Poirer was getting lit up until he use his wrestling to dominant Duffy.

Duffy needs to work on his tdd, his striking will be useless if he can't defend a takedown.

 

[lfd0311]

It was wide but it wasn't unnecessarily wide. It was wide enough for him to get the power he wanted and if he threw it shorter it may had not finished the fight.

His opponent was backing up and had his right hand in no position to counter even if he knew how to and he started the left hook with his head being removed from the centerline so it was pretty safe to throw in that moment.

There's a moment for anything and that was the moment for that kind of hook, there was a reason why it worked so yes it was a good punch

It was completely unnecessarily wide. Hooks, especially to the body are body weight punches. You don't throw them with that much arm. You don't counter left hooks with right hands, you counter them with a left hook of your own, which his opponent, as off balance as he was, attempted to do and still almost hurt him badly because of how poorly executed that hook was. I see that TS keeps liking your comments though. He apparently doesn't know what the counter to a left hook is either.

 

[lfd0311]

Fixed for you.

Because he's the first dude in the UFC to cut weight? This might be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

 

[PivotPunch]

It was completely unnecessarily wide. Hooks, especially to the body are body weight punches. You don't throw them with that much arm. You don't counter left hooks with right hands, you counter them with a left hook of your own, which his opponent, as off balance as he was, attempted to do and still almost hurt him badly because of how poorly executed that hook was. I see that TS keeps liking your comments though. He apparently doesn't know what the counter to a left hook is either.

Every punch is a body weight punch what exactly is a non body weight punch? The longer the path the more you can build up momentum regardless of punch at some point it doesn't matetr anymore or it screws up your punching mechanics but it's still msotly true.

You counter left hooks with whatever you can.
Countering on the same side is still the most devastating option for any counter if you can pull it off as the opponent won't see it coming and is in and position from strikes coming from that direction and if it's timing perfectly it's impossible to bring back the arm in time to block.

If you counter with a left hook on your own then there's a good chance that the opponent has his right hand up and in general it means that the better hooker wins if you keep doing it over the entire fight.

Bernard Hopkins negated Trinidad's left hook with the threat of a right hand and he finished Trinidad with a right hand counter against Tito's left hook

 

[Alanf7]

It was completely unnecessarily wide. Hooks, especially to the body are body weight punches. You don't throw them with that much arm. You don't counter left hooks with right hands, you counter them with a left hook of your own, which his opponent, as off balance as he was, attempted to do and still almost hurt him badly because of how poorly executed that hook was. I see that TS keeps liking your comments though. He apparently doesn't know what the counter to a left hook is either.

So you can't counter a left hook by ducking under it and landing a right hook or uppercut after? Lol, good riddance expert. Talking about regular left hooks btw.

 

[lfd0311]

Every punch is a body weight punch what exactly is a non body weight punch? The longer the path the more you can build up momentum regardless of punch at some point it doesn't matetr anymore or it screws up your punching mechanics but it's still msotly true.

You counter left hooks with whatever you can.
Countering on the same side is still the most devastating option for any counter if you can pull it off as the opponent won't see it coming and is in and position from strikes coming from that direction and if it's timing perfectly it's impossible to bring back the arm in time to block.

If you counter with a left hook on your own then there's a good chance that the opponent has his right hand up and in general it means that the better hooker wins if you keep doing it over the entire fight.

Bernard Hopkins negated Trinidad's left hook with the threat of a right hand and he finished Trinidad with a right hand counter against Tito's left hook

You've never heard the term "body weight punch" before? It means the range of motion in your arm is very limited. Hooks and upper cuts are very, very short ranged punches, especially to the body from inside like the one Duffy threw. There doesn't need to be the big wind up where the travel path goes "your face, your shoulder, bicep then fist". It should be a short motion across your body, fist first, driving with your feet. It's a short punch, that's why it's so effective, that's why Tito was always so effective. Watch his previous fight to the fight with Hopkins against William Joppy. Trinidad made a career off of the left hook. Hopkins didn't counter the hook. He threw a right hand off the hook, there is a huge difference.

 

[Thunderflash500]

Poirier whooped him on the feet and on the ground. Duffy is fine but he is nothing special really.

he didn't whip him on the feet. He was losing on the feet

 

[lfd0311]

So you can't counter a left hook by ducking under it and landing a right hook or uppercut after? Lol, good riddance expert. Talking about regular left hooks btw.

That isn't a "counter" that's called avoiding a punch and then landing off it. You're trying to display your expertise of boxing by mocking me for pointing out that the counter a left hook is a left hook. Nice job. That's what's frustrating about talking to people who are as horribly uninformed as you are. You don't even know how little you don't know.

 

[CPH]

It was wide but it wasn't unnecessarily wide. It was wide enough for him to get the power he wanted and if he threw it shorter it may had not finished the fight.

His opponent was backing up and had his right hand in no position to counter even if he knew how to and he started the left hook with his head being removed from the centerline so it was pretty safe to throw in that moment.

There's a moment for anything and that was the moment for that kind of hook, there was a reason why it worked so yes it was a good punch

Well said. Good instincts > textbook form. Hard to explain this to people who do all their fighting in front of a mirror though.

 

[PivotPunch]

You've never heard the term "body weight punch" before? It means the range of motion in your arm is very limited. Hooks and upper cuts are very, very short ranged punches, especially to the body from inside like the one Duffy threw. There doesn't need to be the big wind up where the travel path goes "your face, your shoulder, bicep then fist". It should be a short motion across your body, fist first, driving with your feet. It's a short punch, that's why it's so effective, that's why Tito was always so effective. Watch his previous fight to the fight with Hopkins against William Joppy. Trinidad made a career off of the left hook. Hopkins didn't counter the hook. He threw a right hand off the hook, there is a huge difference.

You use your bodyweight for the every punch the jab less but even for that if you step with it or some even throw it almost more like a lead straight than a "jab".
No punch needs a huge windup but in a real fight between evenly matched fighters things look different than in training and they take what they can get. And if you can afford to sacrifice textbook form at a certain spot and are experienced enough to know when and how then you will do it.

The bodyweight is in motion for any power strike but it's physics the longer the path is the faster you can get as you can never accelerate fully with a strike as the motion is too small but you can make the motion at least a little bit bigger and get a little bit more speed. And speed x mass = power

Hopkins threw right hands before the ko all night and those right straight made Trinidad hesitate to throw his left hook.
How was that not a counter catching a punch and shooting back is countering just as much as using headmovement and countering or countering/punching simultenously would be countering That's not a huge difference a counter can land even before the opponent's punch is compelted, it can land simultenously and it can land shortly afterwards.

The first 2 things are preferable as the opponent is in no position to defend or take the punch but with same side counters the latter can still be devastating.

Look at Dutch kickboxers. Guys like Gokhan Saki most of the time try to counter kicks with same side punches for the same reason

 

[Alanf7]

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That isn't a "counter" that's called avoiding a punch and then landing off it. You're trying to display your expertise of boxing by mocking me for pointing out that the counter a left hook is a left hook. Nice job. That's what's frustrating about talking to people who are as horribly uninformed as you are. You don't even know how little you don't know.

lol he thinks he knows so much. Read your own post. You said that you can only counter a left hook with another left hook and not a right hand. Since when is a slip followed by a right hand not a counter? All those professional trainers must have had it wrong by calling this a counter to a left hook, but this guy thinks he knows better lmao. Don't act like you know it all, because you clearly don't.

 

[AliBagaooteenov]

Porier

Poirier whooped him on the feet and on the ground. Duffy is fine but he is nothing special really.

didnt even want to stand with Duffyy, he was tagging Porier then Porier just took him, down and held him there and busted him up pretty good on the ground. Duffyy is a better striker than Porier but not a better MMA fighter.

 

[NaughtyBoy]

Oh yeah it's pretty high level that's what makes him a tough match up for someone like Conor. I was surprised to see how Poirier handled him though he's very improved at LW.

Totally agreed.

 

[lfd0311]

You use your bodyweight for the every punch the jab less but even for that if you step with it or some even throw it almost more like a lead straight than a "jab".
No punch needs a huge windup but in a real fight between evenly matched fighters things look different than in training and they take what they can get. And if you can afford to sacrifice textbook form at a certain spot and are experienced enough to know when and how then you will do it.

The bodyweight is in motion for any power strike but it's physics the longer the path is the faster you can get as you can never accelerate fully with a strike as the motion is too small but you can make the motion at least a little bit bigger and get a little bit more speed. And speed x mass = power

Hopkins threw right hands before the ko all night and those right straight made Trinidad hesitate to throw his left hook.
How was that not a counter catching a punch and shooting back is countering just as much as using headmovement and countering or countering/punching simultenously would be countering That's not a huge difference a counter can land even before the opponent's punch is compelted, it can land simultenously and it can land shortly afterwards.

The first 2 things are preferable as the opponent is in no position to defend or take the punch but with same side counters the latter can still be devastating.

Look at Dutch kickboxers. Guys like Gokhan Saki most of the time try to counter kicks with same side punches for the same reason

You completely ignored what I said. I was talking about the range of motion. Hooks and uppercuts have short ranges of motion. Jabs and straights do not. You sit down far more on a good hook to the body than you ever do on a jab or a straight to the head.

Hopkins stopped him from throwing the hook. I agree. He beat him to the punch, that isn't a "counter". You seem to be confused as to what I'm saying. What you're describing is "counterpunching". A right hand is not the pure counter to a left hook. A left hook is. That might sound a little weird. Counter punching and good defensive fighting and throwing a pure counter punch aren't the same thing. I'm talking about 1 single punch. Does that make sense? Hopkins didn't want to get into a hooking contest with the best left hooker in the world. So he boxed him from range and used his right to never let him get inside. Then when it did get inside, he did what Hopkins always does and just got rough.

 

[lfd0311]

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lol he thinks he knows so much. Read your own post. You said that you can only counter a left hook with another left hook and not a right hand. Since when is a slip followed by a right hand not a counter? All those professional trainers must have had it wrong by calling this a counter to a left hook, but this guy thinks he knows better lmao. Don't act like you know it all, because you clearly don't.

No, I didn't. I said the exact counter to to a left hook is a left hook. Speaking of reading our own posts, read yours. You just suggested that the guy should have ducked under a left hook TO THE BODY. Excellent suggestion, bro. Agian, what you're suggesting is "counter punching" in the sense of a defensive fighting tactic, but it is not the exact counter punch. If you can't grasp what I'm saying, you don't know anywhere near as much about boxing as you think you do.