Jemele Hill suspended by ESPN

[BassAckwards]

ESPN should just stay out of politics

 

[Gregolian]

I agree that the real problem is that she's a terrible sports anchor/personality. I miss Olbermann and Patrick, bigly.

I still can't get over how they canned like the entire hockey coverage group... and have Jonathan Coachman on late nights...

I see late night ESPN and see Coach and my brain's like "that's the dude who's face DX shoved into Vince McMahon's ass I think"

 

[Peteyandjia]

You're insisting on this, but where's the argument? What aspect of right-wing thought does support for free speech come from?

Dude, 2017 has seen such sights as Tucker Carlson quoting Noam Chomsky on Fox News, to defend free speech from left-wing campuses. We are officially in the bizarro world.

Free speech is one of those things that reasonable right & left should just admit they agree on. There is so much defense of it on both sides. It really is a fundamental building block of what it is to be American, regardless of political sides.

You're not in the WR much, but I remember pointing out a factual error to you. I figured you'd correct it and move on. No such luck--you responded by attacking me and saying that I wouldn't have corrected the error with no basis at all. In another thread, after you similarly attacked my character, you asked me for my view on Damore, and I gave it. I called you into this thread to show that now that the shoe is on the other foot, there is no one from the right showing any consistency on that issue.

I don't know half of what you're referencing and I try not to keep score or grudges on here, I don't care to argue some argument(s) from the past with you. I waste enough time on here as it is. All I know for sure is that Dana Gould wrote all the best Simpsons & Seinfeld episodes.

I appreciate a good conversation though, even if it's an argument. My advice is to not take any criticisms I have in a political argument with you so personally. I am not trying to insult you. We just disagree on shit. It's okay.

I always liked your HW posting (well, not *always*), but I get the sense that you don't think about the issues that come up in the WR as much and are more likely to make knee-jerk-type posts here.

Mir / Machida 2020

I think if you make more of an effort to understand where I'm coming from intellectually, you'd see that I'm not partisan at all.

 

[MilesAbove]

Uber is really stepping their game up lately

I just wanna know where you're getting Uber-based burgers. It sounds amazing.

 

[Gregolian]

I just wanna know where you're getting Uber-based burgers. It sounds amazing.

Uber Eats.

 

[MilesAbove]

Uber Eats.

Oh like grubhub? Not interested. Now if someone made burgers in their car... this would be a different story.

Aaaaaaanyway, sorry you guys don't have cool jobs. ttyl

 

[Gregolian]

Oh like grubhub? Not interested. Now if someone made burgers in their car... this would be a different story.

Aaaaaaanyway, sorry you guys don't have cool jobs. ttyl

Kinda. My area doesn't have GrubHub.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Should James Damore have been fired from Google?

I don't think so, no
As in I wouldn't have, and i agree entirely w/ virtually everything he said

but I understand why Google given their current ideology, did it.
edit: and i don't blame them.

 

[HomerThompson]

I don't think so, no
As in I wouldn't have, and i agree entirely w/ virtually everything he said

but I understand why Google given their current ideology, did it.

But Jemele Hill should have? Intellectual integrity, how does it work?

 

[HunterSdVa29]

But Jemele Hill should have? Intellectual integrity, how does it work?

he stated actual facts

she hasn't.
and I also added i don't care that they did fire him. He chose to work there, he's not entitled to that job and knowing how they operate, he likely knew what was gonna happen
I said 'i wouldn't fire him' but i'm not a regressive SJW either, so I didn't find him offensive or anything at all

 

[HunterSdVa29]

lost it at 'intellectual integrity' tho

i didn't make the false congruency playa hahah

 

[HomerThompson]

lost it at 'intellectual integrity' tho

i didn't make the false congruency playa hahah

It's not false. You said she should have been fired for what she said, but that James Damore should not have been. That's an absurd, and unexplainable, lapse in intellectual consistency. You're just another shitty tribalist hack.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

It's not false. You said she should have been fired for what she said, but that James Damore should not have been. That's an absurd, and unexplainable, lapse in intellectual consistency. You're just another shitty tribalist hack.

She made a public statement via social media....

He circulated an employee only memo...

Totally congruent. At least try

 

[Amerikuracana]

ESPN should just stay out of politics

That's why they suspended her.

 

[Amerikuracana]

What did Curt Schilling get fired for again?

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

I like to keep my sports and my politics separate.

If I turn on SportsCenter I don't want the person giving highlights to be the same person that calls Trump a white supremacist.

 

[HomerThompson]

She made a public statement via social media....

He circulated an employee only memo...

Totally congruent. At least try

The facts make your position even less tenable. She made a statement outside of work. He made a statement in work, and disrupted the work environment to some degree(Note: I don't think they should have fired him).

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

LOL! So she should be free to speak but should be punished with a loss of livelihood for expressing views that are unacceptable to right-wingers. OK...

I do not expect a response but I'll go ahead and throw it out.

Do you believe a company has a right to terminate an employee for making comments that the company views as offensive?

This question is regarding people making comments on their personal time not company time. Thank you

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

The topic here has kind of become, "What does free speech mean to you, and does it's definition change depending on the political statement being made?"

Personally, I don't think your freedom of speech protects you from your employer. So I guess I disagree with JackSavage on that (if I am reading him correctly). I know that I could get fired from my job if I said certain things in a public forum, and honestly I support that fact. There are certain things that I could say that should disqualify me from performing my particular job.

But where he's correct, is that there is no consistency in principles on this forum. I would have the same response no matter who said it. There is no political affiliation that could sway me to say or do something against my principles. Not even close, honestly.

But there are a lot of posters that seem to have no such principles. They don't even hide it particularly well.

And I agree with this 100 percent...

I wasn't calling for this woman to be imprisoned for her statements...

I just wouldn't blame ESPN if they shit canned her for her statements...

That could happen to any of us, for comments we post on social media...

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

I do not expect a response but I'll go ahead and throw it out.

Do you believe a company has a right to terminate an employee for making comments that the company views as offensive?

This question is regarding people making comments on their personal time not company time. Thank you

Nevermind. You have answered that before. (Below) So Jemele Hill would fall under the PR aspect, you spoke of?

...My general view is that I support very expansive free speech when that is defined in opposition to gov't sanctions. When it comes to private companies' personnel decisions, I'm still in favor of protecting workers, but that does have to be balanced against other issues (PR and employee relations, most obviously). This particular issue seems to be in the gray zone, but I lean toward the view that the guy should be compensated or kept on board.

Below you say liberals stood up for Damore/ free speech
But at that time (above) you said it was gray and only LEANED towards keeping him. That's far from supporting him.

.... but yes to James Damore. That's precisely the point. Lots of liberals stood with James Damore (in the sense that he's an idiot but he shouldn't have been fired), but when the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly our allies in the free speech cause go missing.