Jemele Hill suspended by ESPN

[nac386]

Yeah well the one term wasn't a racist attack at all. In English there are words that phonetically sound the same but have two completely different meanings. Anyone with any sort of education knows the difference in guerilla and gorilla. The guy on live television said it off the top of his head with absolutely no racist intentions behind it at all. Jemele had time to sit and construct her tweet. One person is completely innocent and the other is a hack who only has a job because she's a black female.

This is a good argument. But I think any broadcaster should know better than to use words that can be misinterpreted, especially since there is a precedent ("look at that monkey run!" being one of them). This kind of thing is no secret, you have to choose your words wisely and saying a muscular black woman who has been called a monkey/man by racists for years is using "guerilla tactics" is just plain stupid.

I would not be bothered if ESPN fired her for the Tweet, that is their business.

How is what I said a lie? Have you watched ESPN lately? It's a hot bed for liberals that like to talk sports. I used to love the channel growing up but I started to slowly notice that everything they said had a liberal agenda. The anchors used to be charismatic and made the highlights exciting. Linda Cohn was one of the only women on there because she was one of the few who could keep up with the men.

Now the channel is flooded with good looking women who don't do nearly as good a job as the men before them did. It's also flooded with dumbass talking head SJW's like Jemele who are so far detached from reality, it's not even funny. No one cares about their opinions on social issues and no one cares to watch them fake argue with each other constantly. Half the time they aren't even talking about something they believe in because they just ham up the fake arguments for TV. The only time they agree is when a social issue is brought up and at that point they all agree with the liberal side of it.

You sound like Ron Burgandy. Women and non-white people are a part of our society, so they will be represented on television programs. That is not an attack on the white man, it is just a fact of life. I don't buy this narrative that women are terrible at talking about sports at all, nor do I think Sportscenter needs to avoid hiring people of color just because you liked the good ol' days of Sportscenter when it was mostly white guys that you liked more.

There are plenty of white people on ESPN. If there is a show that does not have as many white people, that should not bother you. If there is a show that has a woman, that should not bother you. If you dislike a particular woman or person of color, then explain why you dislike that particular woman or person of color.

Every once in a while I'll catch Around the Horn, and those women do not seem any less qualified to talk about sports than any of the men. It's just sports. I have no idea why this is even an issue. It seems like a very pathetic thing that white Sherdoggers like to complain about.

Sports and politics are interrelated. There is overlap, whether we like it or not. Sports and society are intertwined in a way that is inescapable. Should they steer away from it when possible? Sure. They should not use that platform to lecture. But you cannot expect sports to completely avoid political situations.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I think you were consistent between damore and Jemele Hill and I can appreciate that. (Workers rights)

but the reality is you were lukewarm on him. I don't think you were as supportive of him as you remember.

I'm as supportive of Hill as I am of him. Note that I'm not criticizing her being suspended for this most-recent flap; I'm more specifically disagreeing with @LogicalInsanity's claim that she should have been fired for her comment about Trump.

 

[KantoTerror]

Man, she's rustled some feathers huh? You guys are too fucking hostile, maybe have a drink and chill out.

Who would want some cunt's political opinion when watching sports? GTFO.

 

[nac386]

Who would want some cunt's political opinion when watching sports? GTFO.

SO edgy how the War Room loves the word "cunt"!

But of course, nobody got her opinion while watching sports. Unless you were reading her Twitter feed while watching sports at your house.

At least be honest.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Every once in a while I'll catch Around the Horn, and those women do not seem any less qualified to talk about sports than any of the men.

Haven't seen ESPN talk shows in a while, but it's hard to imagine anyone being less-qualified to talk about sports than T.J. Simers, Skip Bayless, or many others. Joe Morgan is theoretically very qualified, but still a raging moron. Being a blowhard who can bullshit about anything has always been seen as a sufficient qualification. It would be nice if they were all like Keith Law or Brian Kenny, but it's not happening.

 

[KantoTerror]

at least Molly and the blonde chick on Colin Cowherd's show look pretty legit

plus they actually kinda know what they're talking about. And aren't racist

But they are white...you know...lefturds always think white people have this subconscious racism in them....like they're predisposed to be racist because they are white.

 

[KantoTerror]

SO edgy how the War Room loves the word "cunt"!

But of course, nobody got her opinion while watching sports. Unless you were reading her Twitter feed while watching sports at your house.

At least be honest.

she's free to spew out her political alignment in her twitter feeds...but it's still cunty to call out boycott of sponsors....

 

[nac386]

Haven't seen ESPN talk shows in a while, but it's hard to imagine anyone being less-qualified to talk about sports than T.J. Simers, Skip Bayless, or many others. Joe Morgan is theoretically very qualified, but still a raging moron. Being a blowhard who can bullshit about anything has always been seen as a sufficient qualification. It would be nice if they were all like Keith Law or Brian Kenny, but it's not happening.

It's mostly fake outrage. People have some reservation about listening to a woman talk about sports, so they pretend she's somehow dumber and less qualified than her male counterpart.

It's sports. It's not complicated. If a white guy sucks at broadcasting, he just sucks at broadcasting. If a woman sucks at broadcasting, "SHE'S ONLY THERE CUZ SHE'S A WOMAN! AFFIRMATIVE E:IJDLSFJ EW:IOFJ"

It's all so silly to me.

 

[nac386]

she's free to spew out her political alignment in her twitter feeds...but it's still cunty to call out boycott of sponsors....

Lol, why is it always about being a cunt?

But anyways, yeah she shouldn't do that if she wants to keep her job. I would not disagree if they had decided to fire her for that. To me, that's not an infringement on free speech, it's firing somebody for harming the company that they work for. Apparently, she signed a social media agreement that outlines appropriate use. There's really no excuse.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Your post helped in terms of providing an example. And, as I pointed out, there's no prominent strain of right-wing thought that makes a principled argument for free speech. If you're saying that not all right-wingers are as phony on the issue as you are, you'll have to show some evidence.

Got it...

Ad hom attacks...

You're obviously not interested in honest discourse.

Good day to you.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Lol, why is it always about being a cunt?

But anyways, yeah she shouldn't do that if she wants to keep her job. I would not disagree if they had decided to fire her for that. To me, that's not an infringement on free speech, it's firing somebody for harming the company that they work for. Apparently, she signed a social media agreement that outlines appropriate use. There's really no excuse.

And this is precisely my point as well...

I too have signed one of those agreements for my job...
Im incredibly careful about what I post on social media...and frankly, I'm just not a hateful dick, or mean spirited person as well on social media

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

It's mostly fake outrage. People have some reservation about listening to a woman talk about sports, so they pretend she's somehow dumber and less qualified than her male counterpart.

It's sports. It's not complicated. If a white guy sucks at broadcasting, he just sucks at broadcasting. If a woman sucks at broadcasting, "SHE'S ONLY THERE CUZ SHE'S A WOMAN! AFFIRMATIVE E:IJDLSFJ EW:IOFJ"

It's all so silly to me.

Yea I disagree with a lot of my Sherbros on this as well...

Women can be just as knowledgeable about sports as men...

And tbh, it's Hot AF when a woman drops knowledge on sports...
I mean, real genuine knowledge..

 

[MoparOrNoCar]

This is a good argument. But I think any broadcaster should know better than to use words that can be misinterpreted, especially since there is a precedent ("look at that monkey run!" being one of them). This kind of thing is no secret, you have to choose your words wisely and saying a muscular black woman who has been called a monkey/man by racists for years is using "guerilla tactics" is just plain stupid.

I would not be bothered if ESPN fired her for the Tweet, that is their business.



You sound like Ron Burgandy. Women and non-white people are a part of our society, so they will be represented on television programs. That is not an attack on the white man, it is just a fact of life. I don't buy this narrative that women are terrible at talking about sports at all, nor do I think Sportscenter needs to avoid hiring people of color just because you liked the good ol' days of Sportscenter when it was mostly white guys that you liked more.

There are plenty of white people on ESPN. If there is a show that does not have as many white people, that should not bother you. If there is a show that has a woman, that should not bother you. If you dislike a particular woman or person of color, then explain why you dislike that particular woman or person of color.

Every once in a while I'll catch Around the Horn, and those women do not seem any less qualified to talk about sports than any of the men. It's just sports. I have no idea why this is even an issue. It seems like a very pathetic thing that white Sherdoggers like to complain about.

Sports and politics are interrelated. There is overlap, whether we like it or not. Sports and society are intertwined in a way that is inescapable. Should they steer away from it when possible? Sure. They should not use that platform to lecture. But you cannot expect sports to completely avoid political situations.

It's not about the fact that there are women and non white people. It's that they aren't as qualified as the people who did it in the past. You mean to tell me that these pretty girls hosting every segment are better at it than the rest of the field out there trying to make it in the sports world? That it just so happens that a bunch of dime pieces happen to be better at this job than the rest? Come on now.

Stuart Scott was one of my favorites. Other than his liberal schtick, Michael Wilbon is great. Most ex players in football and basketball are black so if those are the guys they have on there as analysts, then that's perfectly fine. My only gripe is to get the best people available to do the job. I don't care what color or gender they are. But it's very obvious when they are over diversified. When you know damn well that a bunch of these people are only on there because the color of their skin or their gender. I'm not saying they're bad at what they do. I'm just saying they probably aren't the best qualified candidates because from a statistical standpoint, it doesn't make sense.

ESPN obviously protects Jemele Hill more than they would protect a white guy if they were in the same situation. Can we at least agree on that?

 

[BassAckwards]

Lol, why is it always about being a cunt?

But anyways, yeah she shouldn't do that if she wants to keep her job. I would not disagree if they had decided to fire her for that. To me, that's not an infringement on free speech, it's firing somebody for harming the company that they work for. Apparently, she signed a social media agreement that outlines appropriate use. There's really no excuse.

i agree, she's biting the hand that feeds her. the same sponsors/advertisers that she is telling people to boycott are the same sponsors that pay the NFL and ESPN. ESPN was being generous and only gave her a two week suspension. imo, she's a loose cannon and will hurt ESPN in the long run

 

[Jack V Savage]

Got it...

Ad hom attacks...

You're obviously not interested in honest discourse.

Good day to you.

Dude, you're the last person with any standing to complain about ad hom attacks, and what the heck is not honest about me pointing out the hypocrisy of your position? You said that you thought she should be fired for expressing her opinion about the president. Clearly, you believe that speech that you disagree with should be suppressed.

 

[kpt018]

Who would want some cunt's political opinion when watching sports? GTFO.

You don't have to watch. And really man, I feel bad that you're not a happy person.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

But they are white...you know...lefturds always think white people have this subconscious racism in them....like they're predisposed to be racist because they are white.

molly is white?

 

[nac386]

It's not about the fact that there are women and non white people. It's that they aren't as qualified as the people who did it in the past. You mean to tell me that these pretty girls hosting every segment are better at it than the rest of the field out there trying to make it in the sports world? That it just so happens that a bunch of dime pieces happen to be better at this job than the rest? Come on now.

There are women and men throughout the broadcasting world that have their jobs because of their appearance. That is a big part of broadcasting. I don't think it's accurate to say that is just an issue with women on TV. It may be more obvious at times though with women.

Beyond that, you can look at their credentials. Hill is a college educated sports journalist and had successful career in journalism before being hired. She's 100% as qualified as Stuart Scott was.

Stuart Scott was one of my favorites. Other than his liberal schtick, Michael Wilbon is great. Most ex players in football and basketball are black so if those are the guys they have on there as analysts, then that's perfectly fine. My only gripe is to get the best people available to do the job. I don't care what color or gender they are. But it's very obvious when they are over diversified. When you know damn well that a bunch of these people are only on there because the color of their skin or their gender. I'm not saying they're bad at what they do. I'm just saying they probably aren't the best qualified candidates because from a statistical standpoint, it doesn't make sense.

I understand what you're saying, but "qualifications" for a TV job do not rely on the same standards as most jobs. Appearance, personality, etc. all play a huge role. Some guys have jobs just because they are controversial, like Skip Bayless. That guy is clueless.

Is there a list of specific black people or females that you think do not deserve to be on TV? That would be easier to look at.

ESPN obviously protects Jemele Hill more than they would protect a white guy if they were in the same situation. Can we at least agree on that?

I think the politics are more important than race here. I do not believe they would have fired a white ESPN reporter for the same Tweet that she sent.

Also, Donald Trump tweeted this, do you remember outrage or calls for him to be fired? A white guy, calling a black president a racist. No backlash that I can remember.

 

[Gregolian]

SO edgy how the War Room loves the word "cunt"!

But of course, nobody got her opinion while watching sports. Unless you were reading her Twitter feed while watching sports at your house.

At least be honest.

She's fucking horrendously bad at her job as a broadcaster though. Like, Skip Bayless seems more knowledgable about sports than her type bad at times.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

her opinion is infused literally throughout her show, the six. It's why it was created ffs

Max Kellerman is starting to jump the shark too, which is a damn shame bc he's a phenomenal boxing analyst