Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

[Hollywood Jack]

It's not a feud but the things he listed didn't have anything to do with what I was asking about. That's all.

I understand.

 

[Crocop42]

Now, theyre saying there were falsified documents regarding the tours being made in the area.
Idiots would've been better off saying
" At this time due to extenuating circumstances, and being called to other areas by supervisors, this writer was not able to make scheduled tours of said area. Supervisor has been notifed at xxxx hours.

 

[HereticBD]

Government workers are incredibly incompetent

Not really, no. That's just some blanket excuse for all of the irregularities in a facility that has never had this happen before. It's all a bit too much convenient "negligence" all at one time, that just so happens to surround a high profile inmate who just so happens to have very powerful people around the globe who would want him silenced.

Now we're being told it's unlikely it was captured on film. Another very convenient occurrence in this case...

 

[cincymma79]

Not really, no. That's just some blanket excuse for all of the irregularities in a facility that has never had this happen before. It's all a bit too much convenient "negligence" all at one time, that just so happens to surround a high profile inmate who just so happens to have very powerful people around the globe who would want him silenced.

Now we're being told it's unlikely it was captured on film. Another very convenient occurrence in this case...

No
We’re just learning about it because he’s high profile

 

[Hollywood Jack]

https://nypost.com/2019/08/12/jeffrey-epstein-was-taken-off-suicide-watch-at-his-lawyers-request/

"Millionaire phile Jeffrey Epstein, who apparently killed himself while in federal custody in Manhattan, was taken off suicide watch in late July at the request of his attorneys, according to a report.

The disgraced money manager was found unresponsive in his single-inmate cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center early Saturday and was declared dead at NewYork-Presbyterian Lower Manhattan Hospital.

Epstein had been meeting with his attorneys for up to 12 hours a day before they requested that he be taken off suicide watch, sources familiar with the matter told the Wall Street Journal."

12 hours a day? Lucky sumuma

Reminiscent of the 12 hours a day he was allowed out while serving the easiest time ever.

 

[trident]

No
We’re just learning about it because he’s high profile

It's been 25 years since someone killed themselves in that facility.

The rate is literally .00001%

That's the odds of a prisoner going into this facility and succesfully killing themselves.

Those are the odds we are expected to believe.

 

[MusterX]

Yes I still have questions as this is an open issue and this is a discussion forum.

Oh so edgy JonesBones - DOn't ask question. YOu will be dealt with. Oh sooo edgy.

A lot of people have questions and this doesn't appear to be a left or right thing, people on both sides of the aisle have a pretty WTF attitude about this. The biggest issue is not that Epstein was a phile and may have committed suicide. The big issue here ignored by some people in this thread is Epstein's connections. I dare say this entire episode is not about Epstein, its about Epstein's connections to billionaires, royalty, celebrities, and politicians. The big questions here are about how many of those people are philes and its being ignored by certain people who want to chalk it up to a phile who killed himself. This is WAY more than a phile who killed himself.

 

[Sara]

I'm not from that state, and none of my personal experience and anecdotes can line up exactly with whatever their specific policy is, but.... I seriously, seriously doubt it.

I think (100%speculating here) suicide watch is like solitary, where it would do the individual mental harm to be on it or in it too long?

 

[MikeMcMann]

A lot of people have questions and this doesn't appear to be a left or right thing, people on both sides of the aisle have a pretty WTF attitude about this. The biggest issue is not that Epstein was a phile and may have committed suicide. The big issue here ignored by some people in this thread is Epstein's connections. I dare say this entire episode is not about Epstein, its about Epstein's connections to billionaires, royalty, celebrities, and politicians. The big questions here are about how many of those people are philes and its being ignored by certain people who want to chalk it up to a phile who killed himself. This is WAY more than a phile who killed himself.

Yup.

It is absurd that some here (as @Anung Un Rama rightly pointed out) are suggesting the very discussion of this topic and highlighting the questions and issues is being challenged by many as forwarding baseless conspiracy theories. I have been told "you are raising question. The act of raising questions is a conspiracy theorist tactic, therefore that makes you a CTer.'

It is such a flawed understanding and misapplication of a reading.

There ARE tons of questions about this. Everyone associated with the Prison is asking them and some answers are coming out.

No 'asking questions' does not make one a CTer. It is how you accept the answers and what you do with the answers that does. Until you have answers, asking the questions is the natural thing to do.

And hopefully the questions, particularly as you raise, about co-conspirators and enablers continues if not criminally, at least civilly to be exposed and answered

.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

It's been 25 years since someone killed themselves in that facility.

The rate is literally .00001%

That's the odds of a prisoner going into this facility and succesfully killing themselves.

Those are the odds we are expected to believe.

well, he is a smart guy, unlike a lot of prisoners tho. So he probably thought of something and/or manipulated everyone in the facility. Would would make it very easy to suicide.

I am being sarcastic by the way.

 

[TheGreatA]

Yup.

It is absurd that some here (as @Anung Un Rama rightly pointed out) are suggesting the very discussion of this topic and highlighting the questions and issues is being challenged by many as forwarding baseless conspiracy theories. I have been told "you are raising question. The act of raising questions is a conspiracy theorist tactic, therefore that makes you a CTer.'

It is such a flawed understanding and misapplication of a reading.

There ARE tons of questions about this. Everyone associated with the Prison is asking them and some answers are coming out.

No 'asking questions' does not make one a CTer. It is how you accept the answers and what you do with the answers that does. Until you have answers, asking the questions is the natural thing to do.

And hopefully the questions, particularly as you raise, about co-conspirators and enablers continues if not criminally, at least civilly to be exposed and answered

.

It's ironic that you are now putting up a staunch defense of yourself from being called a "CTer tinfoil hat", considering how liberally you throw that card around yourself.

What goes around, comes around.

 

[KnightTemplar]

As a general rule of thumb, if someone who poses a significant potential danger to extremely wealthy and powerful individuals suddenly dies...it probably wasn't a coincidence. Because you don't become one of the wealthiest and influential people on earth by allowing events to run their natural course. Or relying on good luck and coincidence. No, you make damn sure that situations are resolved to your best interests. No matter the cost in money or human life.

 

[method115]

I have been told "you are raising question. The act of raising questions is a conspiracy theorist tactic, therefore that makes you a CTer.'

I remember that post and it was stupid. I immediately made a mental note not to engage that person in conversation.

 

[JonesBones]

It's ironic that you are now putting up a staunch defense of yourself from being called a "CTer tinfoil hat", considering how liberally you throw that card around yourself.

What goes around, comes around.

The funny thing was is @MikeMcMann was against the conspiracy at first and was called out on it. Then turned around due to peer pressure. He is always going on about conspiracy nuts himself, you're right. The irony is delicious and now he is the victim.

 

[SurferH2O]

Is the news update true? While the Medical Examiner was at Lunch, Jeffrey Epstein cremated himself?

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Jeffrey Epstein accuser Jennifer Araoz sues Ghislaine Maxwell, 3 Epstein staffers

Jennifer Araoz alleges she was repeatedly sexually assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein at his New York townhouse when she was 14 and 15, including a 2002 forcible rape.

A new front in the Jeffrey Epstein case opened Wednesday morning, as his accuser Jennifer Araoz filed a lawsuit against his estate, his longtime associate Ghislaine Maxwell and three unnamed female household staff members.

Araoz alleges she was repeatedly sexually assaulted by Epstein at his New York City townhouse when she was 14 and 15 years old, including a forcible rape in 2002. She first disclosed her alleged abuse publicly in an exclusive "Today" show interview with Savannah Guthrie of NBC News on July 10, the same day she filed papers in New York state court saying she intended to sue Epstein.

The complaint Araoz filed Wednesday alleges Maxwell and the staffers “conspired with each other to make possible and otherwise facilitate the sexual abuse and rape of Plaintiff.”

“Today is my first step towards reclaiming my power,” Araoz said during a call with reporters Wednesday after the suit was filed. “Jeffrey Epstein and his network of enablers stole from me. They robbed me of my youth, my identity, my innocence, my self-worth. For too long, they escaped accountability. I am here today because I intend to change that.”

Araoz also published an opinion piece in The New York Times on Wednesday explaining her decision to file suit.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...araoz-sues-ghislaine-maxwell-3-other-n1041901

 

[MikeMcMann]

It's ironic that you are now putting up a staunch defense of yourself from being called a "CTer tinfoil hat", considering how liberally you throw that card around yourself.

What goes around, comes around.

No irony just because you conflate issues incorrectly. You cannot quote anything that would resemble irony.

I remember that post and it was stupid. I immediately made a mental note not to engage that person in conversation.

Ya he is a nutter.

It seems I go through this daily nonsense from him with him later apologizing off line and admitting to needing to stay on his psycho meds as I just quoted in the other thread.

 

[MikeMcMann]

The funny thing was is @MikeMcMann was against the conspiracy at first and was called out on it. Then turned around due to peer pressure. He is always going on about conspiracy nuts himself, you're right. The irony is delicious and now he is the victim.

And by 'conspiracy' you mean it as you already defined it that asking ANY question about this topic by anyone in the thread is CT stuff, as you posted. Even though the same questions are being asked by all in law enforcement and we are now starting to see some valid answers for them.

Sorry but you cannot quote one thing I have said in support of, or furthering any type of conspiracy theory. Get back on your meds.

 

[TheGreatA]

No irony just because you conflate issues incorrectly. You cannot quote anything that would resemble irony.

Do you think that questioning FBI's long-established, historically questionable motives when it comes to determining America's "public enemy number 1", is any more "tinfoilish" than questioning the official narrative of Epstein's demise?

You refused to even entertain the notion of the former, and launched a tirade of accusations against me, yet you now seem overly defensive of your own position regarding Epstein.

To me, this just seems like "karma". You're getting a taste of your own medicine, and it tastes bitter.

 

[Fawlty]

It's been 25 years since someone killed themselves in that facility.

The rate is literally .00001%

That's the odds of a prisoner going into this facility and succesfully killing themselves.

Those are the odds we are expected to believe.

No, this not sound reasoning. Besides the fact that rare events do happen anyway, the odds of a prisoner being able to commit suicide at the time Epstein committed suicide are dependent on the conditions in the prison at the time. It has nothing to do with conditions in years past. And we have reason to believe that the conditions during Epstein's suicide were significantly different due to deteriorating conditions, especially understaffing and underfunding. It is therefore not valid to lean on your (unproven) statistic.