Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

[Son of Jamin]

Lol you are asked about facts and you quote a guy (Acosta) who has all the reasons to lie?????

I wasn't asked anything, @tonni asked some other user about facts and all I could find about the connection to Mossad was what Acosta alluded to.

Glad that I made you LOL however.

 

[MikeMcMann]

FLOL.

Is there anything that demonstrated what a complete dupe Trump is and how completely stupid his devotees are than this tweet, real or not?

Trump literally believes KJU is his friend and they have this great relationship and he is incapable of seeing how completely he is being manipulated and even mocked as he just marches back in the door with a big smile the next day still assuming this guy is his pal, because he is too stupid to see it.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

It's suicide. To think otherwise makes the Clintons culpable.

The people here shouting suicide are left-leaning.

Dont forget the royal family.

 

[MikeMcMann]

How did he kill himself in a suicide watch cell?

From what is coming out it seems he was moved off suicide watch a few days prior and moved out of the 'suicide proof' cells and into normal cells where there would be lots of things available to do the deed if one was committed.

It also appears the guards may have not done their normal rounds which are designed to make it tough, time wise to pull off the act and not get caught thus giving him a big window to commit the act.

What has not been disclosed yet is whether the CCTV camera's all around the area where3 functioning properly and if there is consistent surveillance that can be accessed. That is something that should not take long to disclose as I am sure they already know that answer.

 

[trac209]

POLITICS
Why Conspiracy Theorists Will Never Believe the ‘Official’ Epstein Story


Trust in gatekeepers—from media to government—has eroded to the point of making an “official account” almost obsolete.


The reaction from the online fever swamps was predictable enough. Jeffrey Epstein, the well-connected financier accused of underage sex trafficking, was found dead in his Manhattan jail cell early this morning, just one day after unsealed court documents surfaced new allegations against him and his high-powered inner circle.

The reported cause of death was suicide—but the conspiracy-mongers were already springing into action.

Within hours, #EpsteinMurder was trending on Twitter, as was #TrumpBodyCount (where liberals speculated that the president had offed his former friend), and #ClintonCrimeFamily (where conservatives accused Bill and Hillary Clinton of orchestrating a murderous cover-up). But the speculation was not limited to the fringes—the president himself retweeted a video suggesting Epstein was now dead because he had information on the Clintons.

As the day went on, prominent commentators, journalists, and political figures used their platforms to broadcast conspiracy theories, implicate their ideological enemies, or simply engage in the Twitterwide guessing game about what really happened—all of them working with virtually no concrete information.

The MSNBC host Joe Scarborough tweeted, “A guy who had information that would have destroyed rich and powerful men’s lives ends up dead in his jail cell. How predictably...Russian.” His colleague Joy Ann Reid noted on air that the federal prison where Epstein had died was operated by the Department of Justice. “Let’s just be blunt,” she said. “William Barr’s justice department is not one that you can readily, simply rely upon, and feel confident in. So what do we make of all this now?”

Clara Jeffery, the editor in chief of Mother Jones, called the fact that Epstein reportedly wasn’t on suicide watch at the time of his death inside the Metropolitan Correctional Center “sketchy as shit.” And former Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri tweeted, “Something stinks to high heaven. How does someone on suicide watch hang himself with no intervention? Impossible. Unless.....”

Some saw Epstein’s death as cause for a broad indictment of American elites. Sohrab Ahmari, the conservative op-ed editor for the New York Post, touted the wisdom of a bar owner he knows who’d repeatedly predicted that “our ‘Eyes Wide Shut’-style ruling class” would “never let Epstein live.”

Others, like the Fox Business host Lou Dobbs, took a more sharply partisan approach. “Epstein should have been at least on Arkanside Watch,” he tweeted, deploying a portmanteau of suicide and Arkansas that was being used by Twitter conservatives to accuse the Clintons of foul play.

Amid all the fevered speculation, Mike Cernovich—a right-wing social-media personality and proponent of the so-called Pizzagate conspiracy theory—live-streamed his reaction to the Epstein-take cycle. Barely able to contain his glee, Cernovich seemed to revel in how some mainstream journalists were edging closer to his approach.

“Right now, in real time, mainstream media—they’re going to have to adjust their operating software; they’re going to have to adjust their mental model of the world,” he said. “It doesn’t matter how normie mainstream you are. It doesn’t matter how credible you think you are.” The official story of Epstein’s suicide, he declared, “just does not make sense.”

It would be easy to treat this frenzied reaction to Epstein’s death as a sad case study in how conspiratorial thinking has bled into mainstream discourse. But finger-wagging feels inadequate at this moment.

As I’ve written before, every grotesque beat of Epstein’s story—including, now, his untimely death—illustrates how America’s culture of elite impunity, failure, and corruption has allowed conspiracy theorists to thrive.

For some, the initial account of Epstein’s death did leave serious questions unanswered; suspicions of foul play—or at least mind-boggling incompetence—seemed natural. Indeed, by this afternoon, the attorney general, facing bipartisan pressure from lawmakers, announced that both the FBI and the inspector general would be investigating the death. No matter what facts emerge in the coming weeks or months, some observers will forever remain unconvinced.

Last month, after I wrote about the Epstein case, a certain conspiracy-obsessed segment of the internet became convinced that I was somehow trying to “gaslight” them—or perhaps even that I was a “puppet” serving Epstein and his co-conspirators. I received a wave of wrathful messages from strangers on Twitter and Facebook calling me a “-apologist” and worse.

I considered trying to reason with them, to explain that they were misreading what I’d written. But I suspected engaging would be futile. Their trust in appointed gatekeepers and other people in power—from the media to government officials to the worlds of Hollywood and high finance—has been too fully eroded. Their paranoia may have been disheartening to me, but at this moment in American life, it seemed almost inevitable.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/595906/

This jail had one job keep this pos alive in a seriously controlled environment. When people are saying this guy will get “suicided” and predicting his prison death you had better make sure he doesn’t die under suspicious circumstances. They failed miserably and deserve any scrutiny and ridicule they get.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Yeah the cell in that picture is full of suicide potential lol
I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if the guards just stood there and watched him die

This is the within the second potential outcome I have been highlighting all thru this thread:

- Purposeful Negligence - which can often be called 'Prison Justice' is when guards or inmates allow an inmate who has done a crime such as philia to either kill himself or be killed by others by creating the situation where it can be done and they can avoid most blame.

You cannot jump to conspiracy theories with this. Sure its within the realm of possibility it could involve that angle, but it could also just be the more traditional prison justice.

 

[AZ103]

This is the within the second potential outcome I have been highlighting all thru this thread:

- Purposeful Negligence - which can often be called 'Prison Justice' is when guards or inmates allow an inmate who has done a crime such as philia to either kill himself or be killed by others by creating the situation where it can be done and they can avoid most blame.

You cannot jump to conspiracy theories with this. Sure its within the realm of possibility it could involve that angle, but it could also just be the more traditional prison justice.

Except everyone knows this man was the key to taking them all down! So the guards would be doing the opposite of justice

 

[Happy Man]

Epstein was Mossad through and through, there's zero doubt about it. It's been already mentioned in the thread, his road to riches, lifestyle and the people he was surrounded with. You don't get to his level without being a part of high-level intelligence circles. Ehud Barak has publicly admitted trips to the island and his great friendship with Epstein, but refused any notion of participating in Epstein's parties. Barak was an Israeli commando, defense minister and Israel's PM. You don't get to be put in those positions without being high in Mossad's hierarchy. Epstein's "girlfriend" is a daughter of Robert Maxwell, Mossad's royalty. It will be interesting to see what happens to Ghislaine Maxwell assuming she's still alive.

Mossad does not kill their own.

He’s alive, and she won’t be touched either

 

[bad mojo]

Mossad does not kill their own.

He’s alive, and she won’t be touched either

Yes, that's their rule. But Robert Maxwell was killed, and had three former bosses of Mossad attending his funeral. Everyone knew who did it. When things get desperate, everyone is expendable. And I absolutely don't discount the possibility of Epstein being alive and well. Crazier things have happened.

 

[MikeMcMann]

How did he kill himself in a suicide watch cell?

To add to my below post as I did not know this detail that is being reported now

- he was supposed to have a Cell mate with him as another measure to make suicide more difficult and that person was either removed or not assigned.

This was just said on numerous talking head shows and IF TRUE is another key consideration that must be investigated.

Bill Barr just released a statement about his concerns with all the irregularities saying he has a lot f questions and they will get to the bottom of them and get answers. He has both the FBI and INspector general looking into it.

I have very little confidence in Barr generally as a proven liar to Congress when it suits him but will reserve any judgment on his investigation for now.



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From what is coming out it seems he was moved off suicide watch a few days prior and moved out of the 'suicide proof' cells and into normal cells where there would be lots of things available to do the deed if one was committed.

It also appears the guards may have not done their normal rounds which are designed to make it tough, time wise to pull off the act and not get caught thus giving him a big window to commit the act.

What has not been disclosed yet is whether the CCTV camera's all around the area where3 functioning properly and if there is consistent surveillance that can be accessed. That is something that should not take long to disclose as I am sure they already know that answer.

 

[MikeMcMann]

^^^
So now the major issues/questions seem to be:

- why was he taken off suicide watch and moved out of the suicide 'proof' cells? Who was in on the decision? Was did it follow normal protocol?
- why did the guard(s) not do their normal rounds which could hamper the time needed to complete the act?
- What is captured on CCTV? Where they working normally?
- If, indeed, he was supposed to have a cell mate, as an additional suicide deterrent, why did he not?

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

From what is coming out it seems he was moved off suicide watch a few days prior and moved out of the 'suicide proof' cells and into normal cells where there would be lots of things available to do the deed if one was committed.

It also appears the guards may have not done their normal rounds which are designed to make it tough, time wise to pull off the act and not get caught thus giving him a big window to commit the act.

What has not been disclosed yet is whether the CCTV camera's all around the area where3 functioning properly and if there is consistent surveillance that can be accessed. That is something that should not take long to disclose as I am sure they already know that answer.

They were stupid to put him into one of those normal cells. I don't know if it was easy to commit suicide, but I'm sure it's a lot easier in those normal cells. Was it by hanging? Do you know?

 

[evergreenrider]

Is that how Bundy escaped twice?

Bundy's. Plural. As in the rancher dudes

 

[The Merchant]

Bundy's. Plural. As in the rancher dudes

Bundy's first escape was from the courthouse he jumped out a window and ran off, he was allowed to use the library.

His 2nd escape was from a random jail he was being held in that had bits missing from the door so he just escaped.

The guy who said about Bundy spoke about him at another detention facility and it being impossible for him to escape there. He didn't he escaped from court and another jail.

 

[evergreenrider]

You are very confused sir

 

[HereticBD]

You are very confused sir

Nah, I think he gets you. He's just saying that the guy who originally thought you were talking about Ted Bundy, and that he escaped twice in similar conditions, was also wrong about that.

 

[Lubaolong]

^^^
So now the major issues/questions seem to be:

- why was he taken off suicide watch and moved out of the suicide 'proof' cells? Who was in on the decision? Was did it follow normal protocol?
- why did the guard(s) not do their normal rounds which could hamper the time needed to complete the act?
- What is captured on CCTV? Where they working normally?
- If, indeed, he was supposed to have a cell mate, as an additional suicide deterrent, why did he not?

This can all be easily explained by lazy/overworked guards not doing their job and incompetent mental health providers, which are two things we already know are very common. I’m guessing everyone there is frayed working 70+ hours a week, and there is probably pressure to remove people from suicide watch quickly due to inadequate staffing.

 

[MikeMcMann]

They were stupid to put him into one of those normal cells. I don't know if it was easy to commit suicide, but I'm sure it's a lot easier in those normal cells. Was it by hanging? Do you know?

The reports suggest hanging but i am not sure we have that officially.

And yes normal cells making suicide easy. They call the other cells 'suicide proof' as there is nothing in their to aid you in an attempt and apparently they are padded. So the best you might be able to do is hope to throw yourself against the ground in an awkward way in an attempt to break your neck, in which case you would be more likely to just hurt and incapacite yourself. And those cells apparently have 24/7 CCTV watch in them so a guard would respond quick to any such attempt.

 

[JonesBones]

This can all be easily explained by lazy/overworked guards not doing their job and incompetent mental health providers, which are two things we already know are very common. I’m guessing everyone there is frayed working 70+ hours a week, and there is probably pressure to remove people from suicide watch quickly due to inadequate staffing.

I have personally been under "mandatory" 48 hour observation and was let go in half that time simply by talking normal to the doctor. lol. I was so relieved too. It was fuckin hell.

I took way too many drugs and started thinking some paranoid thoughts. Ended up in the psych ward or whatever.

 

[MikeMcMann]

This can all be easily explained by lazy/overworked guards not doing their job and incompetent mental health providers, which are two things we already know are very common. I’m guessing everyone there is frayed working 70+ hours a week, and there is probably pressure to remove people from suicide watch quickly due to inadequate staffing.

Yes whenever I have spoken on this on this thread I have said I see only two possibilities:

- gross negligence - AKA incompetence, which goes to your post above

OR

- purposeful negligence - which is either form of Prison Justice which could be just allowing it to happen or could involve the conspiracy stuff.