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We really need an unhinged CT superthread merge
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Who do you think was more surprised at Epstein's suicide, the posters in this thread or Epstein himself?
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One can only hope that's the case, however the powerful people are powerful enough to know if he was in witness protection.... he ded
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POLITICS
Why Conspiracy Theorists Will Never Believe the ‘Official’ Epstein Story
Trust in gatekeepers—from media to government—has eroded to the point of making an “official account” almost obsolete.
The reaction from the online fever swamps was predictable enough. Jeffrey Epstein, the well-connected financier accused of underage sex trafficking, was found dead in his Manhattan jail cell early this morning, just one day after unsealed court documents surfaced new allegations against him and his high-powered inner circle.
The reported cause of death was suicide—but the conspiracy-mongers were already springing into action.
Within hours, #EpsteinMurder was trending on Twitter, as was #TrumpBodyCount (where liberals speculated that the president had offed his former friend), and #ClintonCrimeFamily (where conservatives accused Bill and Hillary Clinton of orchestrating a murderous cover-up). But the speculation was not limited to the fringes—the president himself retweeted a video suggesting Epstein was now dead because he had information on the Clintons.
As the day went on, prominent commentators, journalists, and political figures used their platforms to broadcast conspiracy theories, implicate their ideological enemies, or simply engage in the Twitterwide guessing game about what really happened—all of them working with virtually no concrete information.
The MSNBC host Joe Scarborough tweeted, “A guy who had information that would have destroyed rich and powerful men’s lives ends up dead in his jail cell. How predictably...Russian.” His colleague Joy Ann Reid noted on air that the federal prison where Epstein had died was operated by the Department of Justice. “Let’s just be blunt,” she said. “William Barr’s justice department is not one that you can readily, simply rely upon, and feel confident in. So what do we make of all this now?”
Clara Jeffery, the editor in chief of Mother Jones, called the fact that Epstein reportedly wasn’t on suicide watch at the time of his death inside the Metropolitan Correctional Center “sketchy as shit.” And former Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri tweeted, “Something stinks to high heaven. How does someone on suicide watch hang himself with no intervention? Impossible. Unless.....”
Some saw Epstein’s death as cause for a broad indictment of American elites. Sohrab Ahmari, the conservative op-ed editor for the New York Post, touted the wisdom of a bar owner he knows who’d repeatedly predicted that “our ‘Eyes Wide Shut’-style ruling class” would “never let Epstein live.”
Others, like the Fox Business host Lou Dobbs, took a more sharply partisan approach. “Epstein should have been at least on Arkanside Watch,” he tweeted, deploying a portmanteau of suicide and Arkansas that was being used by Twitter conservatives to accuse the Clintons of foul play.
Amid all the fevered speculation, Mike Cernovich—a right-wing social-media personality and proponent of the so-called Pizzagate conspiracy theory—live-streamed his reaction to the Epstein-take cycle. Barely able to contain his glee, Cernovich seemed to revel in how some mainstream journalists were edging closer to his approach.
“Right now, in real time, mainstream media—they’re going to have to adjust their operating software; they’re going to have to adjust their mental model of the world,” he said. “It doesn’t matter how normie mainstream you are. It doesn’t matter how credible you think you are.” The official story of Epstein’s suicide, he declared, “just does not make sense.”
It would be easy to treat this frenzied reaction to Epstein’s death as a sad case study in how conspiratorial thinking has bled into mainstream discourse. But finger-wagging feels inadequate at this moment.
As I’ve written before, every grotesque beat of Epstein’s story—including, now, his untimely death—illustrates how America’s culture of elite impunity, failure, and corruption has allowed conspiracy theorists to thrive.
For some, the initial account of Epstein’s death did leave serious questions unanswered; suspicions of foul play—or at least mind-boggling incompetence—seemed natural. Indeed, by this afternoon, the attorney general, facing bipartisan pressure from lawmakers, announced that both the FBI and the inspector general would be investigating the death. No matter what facts emerge in the coming weeks or months, some observers will forever remain unconvinced.
Last month, after I wrote about the Epstein case, a certain conspiracy-obsessed segment of the internet became convinced that I was somehow trying to “gaslight” them—or perhaps even that I was a “puppet” serving Epstein and his co-conspirators. I received a wave of wrathful messages from strangers on Twitter and Facebook calling me a “
-apologist” and worse.
I considered trying to reason with them, to explain that they were misreading what I’d written. But I suspected engaging would be futile. Their trust in appointed gatekeepers and other people in power—from the media to government officials to the worlds of Hollywood and high finance—has been too fully eroded. Their paranoia may have been disheartening to me, but at this moment in American life, it seemed almost inevitable.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/595906/
Why Conspiracy Theorists Will Never Believe the ‘Official’ Epstein Story
Trust in gatekeepers—from media to government—has eroded to the point of making an “official account” almost obsolete.
The reaction from the online fever swamps was predictable enough. Jeffrey Epstein, the well-connected financier accused of underage sex trafficking, was found dead in his Manhattan jail cell early this morning, just one day after unsealed court documents surfaced new allegations against him and his high-powered inner circle.
The reported cause of death was suicide—but the conspiracy-mongers were already springing into action.
Within hours, #EpsteinMurder was trending on Twitter, as was #TrumpBodyCount (where liberals speculated that the president had offed his former friend), and #ClintonCrimeFamily (where conservatives accused Bill and Hillary Clinton of orchestrating a murderous cover-up). But the speculation was not limited to the fringes—the president himself retweeted a video suggesting Epstein was now dead because he had information on the Clintons.
As the day went on, prominent commentators, journalists, and political figures used their platforms to broadcast conspiracy theories, implicate their ideological enemies, or simply engage in the Twitterwide guessing game about what really happened—all of them working with virtually no concrete information.
The MSNBC host Joe Scarborough tweeted, “A guy who had information that would have destroyed rich and powerful men’s lives ends up dead in his jail cell. How predictably...Russian.” His colleague Joy Ann Reid noted on air that the federal prison where Epstein had died was operated by the Department of Justice. “Let’s just be blunt,” she said. “William Barr’s justice department is not one that you can readily, simply rely upon, and feel confident in. So what do we make of all this now?”
Clara Jeffery, the editor in chief of Mother Jones, called the fact that Epstein reportedly wasn’t on suicide watch at the time of his death inside the Metropolitan Correctional Center “sketchy as shit.” And former Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri tweeted, “Something stinks to high heaven. How does someone on suicide watch hang himself with no intervention? Impossible. Unless.....”
Some saw Epstein’s death as cause for a broad indictment of American elites. Sohrab Ahmari, the conservative op-ed editor for the New York Post, touted the wisdom of a bar owner he knows who’d repeatedly predicted that “our ‘Eyes Wide Shut’-style ruling class” would “never let Epstein live.”
Others, like the Fox Business host Lou Dobbs, took a more sharply partisan approach. “Epstein should have been at least on Arkanside Watch,” he tweeted, deploying a portmanteau of suicide and Arkansas that was being used by Twitter conservatives to accuse the Clintons of foul play.
Amid all the fevered speculation, Mike Cernovich—a right-wing social-media personality and proponent of the so-called Pizzagate conspiracy theory—live-streamed his reaction to the Epstein-take cycle. Barely able to contain his glee, Cernovich seemed to revel in how some mainstream journalists were edging closer to his approach.
“Right now, in real time, mainstream media—they’re going to have to adjust their operating software; they’re going to have to adjust their mental model of the world,” he said. “It doesn’t matter how normie mainstream you are. It doesn’t matter how credible you think you are.” The official story of Epstein’s suicide, he declared, “just does not make sense.”
It would be easy to treat this frenzied reaction to Epstein’s death as a sad case study in how conspiratorial thinking has bled into mainstream discourse. But finger-wagging feels inadequate at this moment.
As I’ve written before, every grotesque beat of Epstein’s story—including, now, his untimely death—illustrates how America’s culture of elite impunity, failure, and corruption has allowed conspiracy theorists to thrive.
For some, the initial account of Epstein’s death did leave serious questions unanswered; suspicions of foul play—or at least mind-boggling incompetence—seemed natural. Indeed, by this afternoon, the attorney general, facing bipartisan pressure from lawmakers, announced that both the FBI and the inspector general would be investigating the death. No matter what facts emerge in the coming weeks or months, some observers will forever remain unconvinced.
Last month, after I wrote about the Epstein case, a certain conspiracy-obsessed segment of the internet became convinced that I was somehow trying to “gaslight” them—or perhaps even that I was a “puppet” serving Epstein and his co-conspirators. I received a wave of wrathful messages from strangers on Twitter and Facebook calling me a “
-apologist” and worse.I considered trying to reason with them, to explain that they were misreading what I’d written. But I suspected engaging would be futile. Their trust in appointed gatekeepers and other people in power—from the media to government officials to the worlds of Hollywood and high finance—has been too fully eroded. Their paranoia may have been disheartening to me, but at this moment in American life, it seemed almost inevitable.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/595906/
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Some of the articles of inmates who had been there said he couldn't kill himself because sheets were too thin, paper_like etc.
Some of the blankets look heavier than that, or even the clothes El Chapo are in.
But in all the pictures (ones I posted and more in the link) is that there is nothing to hang from.
My only thought is the picture with the top of the double bunk. And they said he was suppose to have had a cellmate, so prob had double bunk.
Eitherway, that would still be pretty hard to pull off. D'angelo from the Wire was staged to have hung himself from a door knob... so maybe.
Still think he was murdered tho, or given extra tools to assist in his suicide. Everything is too convenient, and would have had to have played out perfectly.
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This is the modus operandi in many cases, whether it is a terrorist attack or a crime spree.POLITICS
Why Conspiracy Theorists Will Never Believe the ‘Official’ Epstein Story
Trust in gatekeepers—from media to government—has eroded to the point of making an “official account” almost obsolete.
The reaction from the online fever swamps was predictable enough. Jeffrey Epstein, the well-connected financier accused of underage sex trafficking, was found dead in his Manhattan jail cell early this morning, just one day after unsealed court documents surfaced new allegations against him and his high-powered inner circle.
The reported cause of death was suicide—but the conspiracy-mongers were already springing into action.
Within hours, #EpsteinMurder was trending on Twitter, as was #TrumpBodyCount (where liberals speculated that the president had offed his former friend), and #ClintonCrimeFamily (where conservatives accused Bill and Hillary Clinton of orchestrating a murderous cover-up). But the speculation was not limited to the fringes—the president himself retweeted a video suggesting Epstein was now dead because he had information on the Clintons.
As the day went on, prominent commentators, journalists, and political figures used their platforms to broadcast conspiracy theories, implicate their ideological enemies, or simply engage in the Twitterwide guessing game about what really happened—all of them working with virtually no concrete information.
The MSNBC host Joe Scarborough tweeted, “A guy who had information that would have destroyed rich and powerful men’s lives ends up dead in his jail cell. How predictably...Russian.” His colleague Joy Ann Reid noted on air that the federal prison where Epstein had died was operated by the Department of Justice. “Let’s just be blunt,” she said. “William Barr’s justice department is not one that you can readily, simply rely upon, and feel confident in. So what do we make of all this now?”
Clara Jeffery, the editor in chief of Mother Jones, called the fact that Epstein reportedly wasn’t on suicide watch at the time of his death inside the Metropolitan Correctional Center “sketchy as shit.” And former Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri tweeted, “Something stinks to high heaven. How does someone on suicide watch hang himself with no intervention? Impossible. Unless.....”
Some saw Epstein’s death as cause for a broad indictment of American elites. Sohrab Ahmari, the conservative op-ed editor for the New York Post, touted the wisdom of a bar owner he knows who’d repeatedly predicted that “our ‘Eyes Wide Shut’-style ruling class” would “never let Epstein live.”
Others, like the Fox Business host Lou Dobbs, took a more sharply partisan approach. “Epstein should have been at least on Arkanside Watch,” he tweeted, deploying a portmanteau of suicide and Arkansas that was being used by Twitter conservatives to accuse the Clintons of foul play.
Amid all the fevered speculation, Mike Cernovich—a right-wing social-media personality and proponent of the so-called Pizzagate conspiracy theory—live-streamed his reaction to the Epstein-take cycle. Barely able to contain his glee, Cernovich seemed to revel in how some mainstream journalists were edging closer to his approach.
“Right now, in real time, mainstream media—they’re going to have to adjust their operating software; they’re going to have to adjust their mental model of the world,” he said. “It doesn’t matter how normie mainstream you are. It doesn’t matter how credible you think you are.” The official story of Epstein’s suicide, he declared, “just does not make sense.”
It would be easy to treat this frenzied reaction to Epstein’s death as a sad case study in how conspiratorial thinking has bled into mainstream discourse. But finger-wagging feels inadequate at this moment.
As I’ve written before, every grotesque beat of Epstein’s story—including, now, his untimely death—illustrates how America’s culture of elite impunity, failure, and corruption has allowed conspiracy theorists to thrive.
For some, the initial account of Epstein’s death did leave serious questions unanswered; suspicions of foul play—or at least mind-boggling incompetence—seemed natural. Indeed, by this afternoon, the attorney general, facing bipartisan pressure from lawmakers, announced that both the FBI and the inspector general would be investigating the death. No matter what facts emerge in the coming weeks or months, some observers will forever remain unconvinced.
Last month, after I wrote about the Epstein case, a certain conspiracy-obsessed segment of the internet became convinced that I was somehow trying to “gaslight” them—or perhaps even that I was a “puppet” serving Epstein and his co-conspirators. I received a wave of wrathful messages from strangers on Twitter and Facebook calling me a “
I considered trying to reason with them, to explain that they were misreading what I’d written. But I suspected engaging would be futile. Their trust in appointed gatekeepers and other people in power—from the media to government officials to the worlds of Hollywood and high finance—has been too fully eroded. Their paranoia may have been disheartening to me, but at this moment in American life, it seemed almost inevitable.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/595906/
There were two rapes and two attempted rapes in four days in the same Swedish town last week.
Established media immediately came to the rescue and attacked a popular message on Facebook about a person not recognizing his own town anymore.
The article talked about such things happening before and therefore nothing has changed and the most important thing is to not spread things that can create more fear.
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All while they conspiracy monger 2 minutes later.
See conspiracy theories are bad when regular people do them.
Conspiracy theories are just fine when done for ad revenue.
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Jesus H Christ
A migrant to be sure. And the media is owned by you know Who, and tell Swedes to shut up and sit down
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LOL! But KJU is Trump's friend and even smiles when he sees him!
Trump is so petty and stupid he doesn't even realize when he's being mocked out in the open.
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I'm sure this is true... I mean, it has to be
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Believe it or not, this past Saturday at a get-together, I jokingly opined Chris Tucker as a suspect.
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I’m late to the party
It’s funny that some people are saying it’s a conspiracy to simply claim this was a....conspiracy
Everybody and their mom knew this guy was never going to get the chance to sing...so this story was no surprise to me. I personally don’t think it was any of the usual suspects, but probably a name not in the flight logs. Either way I highly doubt we will ever know the truth. Just a highly guarded man being suicided, nothing to see
It’s funny that some people are saying it’s a conspiracy to simply claim this was a....conspiracy
Everybody and their mom knew this guy was never going to get the chance to sing...so this story was no surprise to me. I personally don’t think it was any of the usual suspects, but probably a name not in the flight logs. Either way I highly doubt we will ever know the truth. Just a highly guarded man being suicided, nothing to see
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POLITICS
Why Conspiracy Theorists Will Never Believe the ‘Official’ Epstein Story
Trust in gatekeepers—from media to government—has eroded to the point of making an “official account” almost obsolete.
The reaction from the online fever swamps was predictable enough. Jeffrey Epstein, the well-connected financier accused of underage sex trafficking, was found dead in his Manhattan jail cell early this morning, just one day after unsealed court documents surfaced new allegations against him and his high-powered inner circle.
The reported cause of death was suicide—but the conspiracy-mongers were already springing into action.
Within hours, #EpsteinMurder was trending on Twitter, as was #TrumpBodyCount (where liberals speculated that the president had offed his former friend), and #ClintonCrimeFamily (where conservatives accused Bill and Hillary Clinton of orchestrating a murderous cover-up). But the speculation was not limited to the fringes—the president himself retweeted a video suggesting Epstein was now dead because he had information on the Clintons.
As the day went on, prominent commentators, journalists, and political figures used their platforms to broadcast conspiracy theories, implicate their ideological enemies, or simply engage in the Twitterwide guessing game about what really happened—all of them working with virtually no concrete information.
The MSNBC host Joe Scarborough tweeted, “A guy who had information that would have destroyed rich and powerful men’s lives ends up dead in his jail cell. How predictably...Russian.” His colleague Joy Ann Reid noted on air that the federal prison where Epstein had died was operated by the Department of Justice. “Let’s just be blunt,” she said. “William Barr’s justice department is not one that you can readily, simply rely upon, and feel confident in. So what do we make of all this now?”
Clara Jeffery, the editor in chief of Mother Jones, called the fact that Epstein reportedly wasn’t on suicide watch at the time of his death inside the Metropolitan Correctional Center “sketchy as shit.” And former Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri tweeted, “Something stinks to high heaven. How does someone on suicide watch hang himself with no intervention? Impossible. Unless.....”
Some saw Epstein’s death as cause for a broad indictment of American elites. Sohrab Ahmari, the conservative op-ed editor for the New York Post, touted the wisdom of a bar owner he knows who’d repeatedly predicted that “our ‘Eyes Wide Shut’-style ruling class” would “never let Epstein live.”
Others, like the Fox Business host Lou Dobbs, took a more sharply partisan approach. “Epstein should have been at least on Arkanside Watch,” he tweeted, deploying a portmanteau of suicide and Arkansas that was being used by Twitter conservatives to accuse the Clintons of foul play.
Amid all the fevered speculation, Mike Cernovich—a right-wing social-media personality and proponent of the so-called Pizzagate conspiracy theory—live-streamed his reaction to the Epstein-take cycle. Barely able to contain his glee, Cernovich seemed to revel in how some mainstream journalists were edging closer to his approach.
“Right now, in real time, mainstream media—they’re going to have to adjust their operating software; they’re going to have to adjust their mental model of the world,” he said. “It doesn’t matter how normie mainstream you are. It doesn’t matter how credible you think you are.” The official story of Epstein’s suicide, he declared, “just does not make sense.”
It would be easy to treat this frenzied reaction to Epstein’s death as a sad case study in how conspiratorial thinking has bled into mainstream discourse. But finger-wagging feels inadequate at this moment.
As I’ve written before, every grotesque beat of Epstein’s story—including, now, his untimely death—illustrates how America’s culture of elite impunity, failure, and corruption has allowed conspiracy theorists to thrive.
For some, the initial account of Epstein’s death did leave serious questions unanswered; suspicions of foul play—or at least mind-boggling incompetence—seemed natural. Indeed, by this afternoon, the attorney general, facing bipartisan pressure from lawmakers, announced that both the FBI and the inspector general would be investigating the death. No matter what facts emerge in the coming weeks or months, some observers will forever remain unconvinced.
Last month, after I wrote about the Epstein case, a certain conspiracy-obsessed segment of the internet became convinced that I was somehow trying to “gaslight” them—or perhaps even that I was a “puppet” serving Epstein and his co-conspirators. I received a wave of wrathful messages from strangers on Twitter and Facebook calling me a “
I considered trying to reason with them, to explain that they were misreading what I’d written. But I suspected engaging would be futile. Their trust in appointed gatekeepers and other people in power—from the media to government officials to the worlds of Hollywood and high finance—has been too fully eroded. Their paranoia may have been disheartening to me, but at this moment in American life, it seemed almost inevitable.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/595906/
First of all. Trump is the fringe. He is a conspiracy crank just like you. Secondly, Joe Scarborough was mocking conspiracy theories and joking. He was mocking idiots like you and Trump. lol
You're with the conspiritard in chief. Congrats.
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Lol you are asked about facts and you quote a guy (Acosta) who has all the reasons to lie?????
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Epstein was Mossad through and through, there's zero doubt about it. It's been already mentioned in the thread, his road to riches, lifestyle and the people he was surrounded with. You don't get to his level without being a part of high-level intelligence circles. Ehud Barak has publicly admitted trips to the island and his great friendship with Epstein, but refused any notion of participating in Epstein's parties. Barak was an Israeli commando, defense minister and Israel's PM. You don't get to be put in those positions without being high in Mossad's hierarchy. Epstein's "girlfriend" is a daughter of Robert Maxwell, Mossad's royalty. It will be interesting to see what happens to Ghislaine Maxwell assuming she's still alive.
