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Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

How do ya think Epstein died?


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Two sets of marks. Let it sink in. They strangle him, and then hang him...can't hide that.
By all accounts these are the signs of strangulation not suicide. That's what the numbers are telling us. Now you got this one thing you are clinging to: two marks! two marks!

Why hath thou turned thy back on Occam?
 
He also goes over an interview with former UFC fighter Igor Zinoviev (best known for having a promising MMA career ended after being slammed on his neck by Frank Shamrock) who was a bodyguard and driver for Epstein. Zinoviev previously indicated (in an off the record conversation apparently) to a reporter that Epstein regularly got tipped off by police in Palm Beach whenever they planned to search his mansion. Zinoviev was scared to go on the record, though. I bet he's got some stories to tell...



http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/jeffrey-epsteins-bodyguard-igor-zinoviev-on-his-old-boss.html

Mods can please move this thread to the heavies.
 
Wow, totally blew my mind.

Or not. They strangle him, then tie him up with a sheet around his neck. That wouldn't produce a second, distinct mark. And what do you know about the marks found?
If they're reporting on the hyoid bone already, they'd probably be reporting a bonus murder set of mark on his neck. And not just that, but the evidence of posthumous hanging should be apparent. The body doesn't just freeze in time when it dies.
 
By all accounts these are the signs of strangulation not suicide. That's what the numbers are telling us. Now you got this one thing you are clinging to: two marks! two marks!

Why hath thou turned thy back on Occam?
Well, if he was strangled, breaking his hyoid bone, and then he was hung from his neck to look like a suicide, there would be two distinct instances of trauma, one that killed him, and one from after he died. So instead of getting crazy, I'm going with him breaking his hyoid bone when he hung himself.
 
Epstein, while slightly elderly, was a well built, in shape muscular guy. He worked out a lot with Igor Zinoviev and was known to be a fitness fanatic to this day. It's unlikely a guy built like that would suffer neck breaks from such minimal impact. Dude had a thick, muscular neck and overall build.
Or...... that is precisely why he was able to generate enough torque in his gymnastic lunge off the bed. If he had any experience off of a high dive, he could do it :)
 
Well, if he was strangled, breaking his hyoid bone, and then he was hung from his neck to look like a suicide, there would be two distinct instances of trauma, one that killed him, and one from after he died.
Sauce?
 
Wow, totally blew my mind.

Or not. They strangle him, then tie him up with a sheet around his neck. That wouldn't necessarily produce a second, distinct mark. And what do you know about the marks found? Is there a clear single mark on his neck? Where did you get that info?
It's increasingly looking like he got Barksdale'd.

 
Nah, eat it dry.

If you want to advance a theory that relies on posthumous hanging leaving not leaving evidence, go for it. I'm giving modern medical science the benefit of the doubt that they can tell.
 
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If they're reporting on the hyoid bone already, they'd probably be reporting a bonus murder set of mark on his neck. And not just that, but the evidence of posthumous hanging should be apparent. The body doesn't just freeze in time when it dies.

A broken bone is not disputable. It's a broken bone. Interpretation of bruises is something totally different. So yes, it makes sense that an indisputable fact was published, and interpretation of bruises wasn't. As far as I know, the autopsy hasn't ruled an official cause of death, right?

Can you post any link describing the bruises that were found? And can you post a link where the guards describe the position in which he was found? Or are you just making assumptions based on the narrative you believe?
 
A broken bone is not disputable. It's a broken bone. Interpretation of bruises is something totally different. So yes, it makes sense that an indisputable fact was published, and interpretation of bruises wasn't. As far as I know, the autopsy hasn't ruled an official cause of death, right?

Can you post any link describing the bruises that were found? And can you post a link where the guards describe the position in which he was found? Or are you just making assumptions based on the narrative you believe?
I'm making assumptions that strangulation would leave evidence (in this case, you already have the broken hyoid which is consistent with both strangulation and hanging), and that hanging would also leave evidence, and that medical examiners could tell the difference between a lethal hanging and a hanging that was arranged after a death by strangulation.
 
Nah, eat it dry.

If you want to advance a theory that relies on posthumous hanging leaving not leaving evidence, go for it. I'm giving modern medical science the benefit of the doubt that they can tell.
Your entire approach relies on the "benefit of the doubt"
 
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Shake him like Lenny from Of Mice and Men.

I'm not saying this guy did it. I'm just saying this is the kind of guy who could very easily snap a neck without leaving a mark
 
Your entire approach relies on the "benefit of the doubt"
No, my approach relies on all of the evidence pointing in a certain direction. The knife I slammed in the utterly childish "strangulation + arranged posthumous hanging" theory is just a bonus.
 
No, my approach relies on all of the evidence pointing in a certain direction. The knife I slammed in the utterly childish "strangulation + arranged posthumous hanging" theory is just a bonus.

You didn't slam a knife into anything. Keep telling yourself that though.
 
No, my approach relies on all of the evidence pointing in a certain direction. The knife I slammed in the utterly childish "strangulation + arranged posthumous hanging" theory is just a bonus.
You have a very small audience but go ahead and give yourself a pat on the back.

You dont rely on evidence, you rely on what the officials say. You have an enormous amount of faith in the official word and belittle anything and everything else CT bullshit spewed by worms.

You are so heavily invested in this mindset that anything else is unorthodox and must be extinguished. One has to wonder what kind of person gets so triggered when anything goes off the path of "the official".
 
Wait, so the body is no longer with the medical examiners? It's been released to an unnamed party?

So the examinations are finished but still no official cause?

I dont know the procedure here but wouldnt they keep the body until they had an official cause?
 
You have a very small audience but go ahead and give yourself a pat on the back.

You dont rely on evidence, you rely on what the officials say. You have an enormous amount of faith in the official word and belittle anything and everything else CT bullshit spewed by worms.

You are so heavily invested in this mindset that anything else is unorthodox and must be extinguished. One has to wonder what kind of person gets so triggered when anything goes off the path of "the official".
The officials have the advantage of having the requisite evidence and expertise here. Also, all of the evidence is consistent with a suicide by hanging. I'm confident in this investigation in particular though, as the AG is white-hot-mad and breathing fire down their necks.
 
The officials have the advantage of having the requisite evidence and expertise here. Also, all of the evidence is consistent with a suicide by hanging. I'm confident in this investigation in particular though, as the AG is white-hot-mad and breathing fire down their necks.
Yeah, the AG.....
 
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