It kinda pisses me off how a guy like Bruce Lee gets more credit and recognition than real fighters

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The guy has fanboys on every corner, i see videos and comments on youtube by guys saying that bruce would dominate the ufc, he hits harder than a heavyweight and moves like a flyweight, i saw a comment with shit load of likes saying that bruce would beat michael jai white in a fight, yeah, you heard it right... A tiny Asian man that stood at 5ft6 150lbs soaking wet beating up a 6ft2 200+lbs jacked mulitple black belt life time martial artist. He also hits harder than Mike Tyson... Who are these individuals that spread this type of misinformation?

I dont get it, he has no proffesional fights on his record, in anything... And there is no footage of him fighting or competing against any pro or known fighter.

At least chuck norris has a karate record.

It seems its better to fake it till you make it than actually doing it for real.

Can someone explain it to me, what impresses you?
He's athletic, looks good in movies, has cool quotes, the one inch punch that has no tie in with actual fighting where your opponet doesnt stand there and let you hit him (in most cases) and oh dear, worst case scenario pushes you back slightly.

I look at him the same way i look Steven Seagal, at least Seagal taught Silva that front kick.



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Anyone who talks like bruce lee would wreck people in the UFC today are idiots. Id love to see Couture fight Bruce lee. OMG it would be ugly

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

In my opinion he has the best physique of all time. Fast as shit, flexible, strong as fuck.
And Aesthetic as fuck.

Dat shoulders hips triangle

 

[Mesos]

The guy has fanboys on every corner, i see videos and comments on youtube by guys saying that bruce would dominate the ufc, he hits harder than a heavyweight and moves like a flyweight, i saw a comment with shit load of likes saying that bruce would beat michael jai white in a fight, yeah, you heard it right... A tiny Asian man that stood at 5ft6 150lbs soaking wet beating up a 6ft2 200+lbs jacked mulitple black belt life time martial artist. He also hits harder than Mike Tyson... Who are these individuals that spread this type of misinformation?

I dont get it, he has no proffesional fights on his record, in anything... And there is no footage of him fighting or competing against any pro or known fighter.

At least chuck norris has a karate record.

It seems its better to fake it till you make it than actually doing it for real.

Can someone explain it to me, what impresses you?
He's athletic, looks good in movies, has cool quotes, the one inch punch that has no tie in with actual fighting where your opponet doesnt stand there and let you hit him (in most cases) and oh dear, worst case scenario pushes you back slightly.

I look at him the same way i look Steven Seagal, at least Seagal taught Silva that front kick.



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1. Bruce Lee was a real martial artist

2. Its widely known that he had several fights. With different eye witness to back this up. Apparently he was a hell of fighter. I believe it, his training regiment and ideas where cutting edge for time. It wasnt that uncommon for guys not to have fight records from that era. Most of them did unsanctioned street fights. Growing up he was in gangs and fought street battles all the time.

3. Bruce actually learned under Wing chun under a prestigious widely respected Master. Even then he threw away the style in favor of hybrid martial arts. Alot of of Chinese Martial Artist where actually upset with him. He got death threats. He basically was doing an early form of mma. Hence why he is called the godfather of mma.

4. The movies was more for fun and making money. He always considered himself a martial artist first.

5. He wasnt some undefeated fight god, he lost some of his fights. This is known and is probably one of the motivations for him developing a hybrid style with no forms to cover the holes in his game.


Bruce Lee was a legend.

 

[Mesos]

Bruce was the man, for sure. I know this. You know this. It is known.

That said, I recently watched Enter the Dragon again for the first time since I was a kid....It wasn't that great on the rewatch. The pacing, the choreography, the muddled and nonsensical storyline. . . It was barely enjoyable. Especially after so many more modern martial arts movies that are SO much better.

there. i said it. suckit.

Duh,

Seriously bro its like anything else. You judge it for the era. You cant compare old movies to new movies. So much has changed, same can be said for martial arts actually.

 

[Y2Khaos]

Bruce Lee beat a 20x NBA HW champ with the first documented bulldog choke kill, while giving up 2ft in height and reach

Damn right he did!

A level athlete confirmed!

But Bruce ain't scared of anybody!

Hit him with some power shots....

Then it was all over, perfect technique.

(This fight scene is actually way longer.)

 

[Flboycanscrap2]

You're response isn't very coherent, you went on in an argumentative manner while your responses were in agreement with mine for a large part of your retort which hurts my head a bit.

Where? How many? I trained and coached for years across gyms, what kind of questions are these? Do you want the names of the gyms and the exact number of accounts I claim to have seen? I encouraged a friend who was a competitive weight lifter that I played tennis with years ago to swing by sometime when I ran into him and he was able to take down BJJ practitioners and Sambo practitioners who had been training for several years and control them....These were guys who had had a couple amateur fights on the Native American reservation circuit and had their belts under their respected systems. A father who brought his kids to learn self defense was from Nigeria and worked security at the nearby airport, he was a bit overweight and older about 40 but quite thickly muscled, he decided to roll with some of the guys one day...Man they couldn't move him much, he was able to muscle takedowns and nobody submitted him. Another guy who was a Tae Kwon Do instructor at his academy would come cross train with us and I had him come teach classes sometimes, he was a competitive black belt in tae kwon do and karate...really technical and athletic, he'd roll and spar with us too..Man I saw a couple former Highschool wrestlers and a D2 college wrestler fail at getting takedowns, he had strong hips, quick reflexes and managed space really well. I have more stories if you'd like to hear them, don't worry. I'm not claiming they would have been able to do this on pro prospects or UFC fighters or anything but my gym actually had strong affiliations in grappling and decent instructors. Yes this is anecdotal.

There's actually evidence Bruce had some grappling knowledge, he actually would train with and learn from guys who sought out training under him, several of which were black belts in Judo and JuJitsu. He has a decent amount of documented Judo and JuJitsu experience and I know he trained some catch wrestling under Gene Lebell along with Judo. But I mean, he doesn't have tons of evidence that he can strike at a high level either, running sidekicks and the 2in punches? Doesn't exactly convince me he'd be able to knock out a Thai Boxer or Boxer his size you know? I can see you have something against Bruce, I would not compare him to Dux...He was definitely a talented, athletic and well trained guy....He just wasn't a professional fighter, but a world class martial artist? Absolutely. He was fast, athletic, very fit and well conditioned, you could tell his acumen for martial arts was pretty exceptional too.

It's just one of those things, if an 18 year old highschool national champion wrestler was able to take Bruce Lee down and manhandle him at will, would it surprise me? No. If Bruce knocked that kid out coming in, would it surprise me? No. You sound like you have a vendetta with traditional martial arts and Bruce Lee and maybe you've listened to the Joe Rogan podcast a few too many times lol. Bruce Lee was an influential lifelong martial artist, but he didn't train to be the best fighter in the world. I do think most competitive submission grapplers and wrestlers his size would probably have their way with him, they were different times anyways...Gama The Great probably wouldn't win a Junior College Championship in this day an age, but that doesn't take away from their greatness. I understand your beef with their mysticism and believers though but who cares, really?

Wow, what a dissertation.

Insecure much? You assert you saw tons of examples of one thing while admitting it was rare in general. That is very specific for one person to experience. I just asked for a simple explanation nothing more, and I would easily believe you. I understand and am fine with it being anecdotal. Instead of a simple explanation you give me your a long paragraph and only assert 3 examples while saying you have more. If that qualifies as "a lot" to you, fine. I don't need anything more, i believe you.

I don't have something specific against Bruce, I am just against frauds and myths and the masses of fan boys that continue to pretend these frauds and myths have any empirical evidence.

There is no hard evidence that Bruce Lee had legitimate striking or grappling skills and those skills if real were never ever tested. Pressure changes everything. Tons of great gym fighters panic under the lights, and there are way more of them than those who can perform under pressure. To believe Bruce would be great at fighting under pressure is not the default position.

What is a world class Martial Artist? What are the specific criteria? Watching Bruce's training/demo film I have never seen anything close to as impressive from an athleticism or technique stand point as I have watching good not even great fighters in any era. As I said Bruce has no high level background in any sport and didn't even compete in his area of expertise. That's a huge problem.

Bruce has never demonstrated KO power and has never KO'd anyone, why would you believe that him KOing whomever is the default position? Bruce never had the time to train as much wrestling and anti-grappling to stop a good high school wrestler (not a national or state champ, or even all state). Those wrestlers aren't going give him the opportunity to KO them, he is getting doubled immediately by (on average) a way bigger athlete. Occam's Razor, look it up.

I don't have a vendetta against TMA and I don't watch Joe Rogan. I actually started in TMA at 6 years old and transitioned to MMA as soon as possible because I knew it was way more valuable immediately. SIMPLE.

I am a proponent of Truth over everything else. Advocates of myths and cognitive dissonance are my enemies.

 

[Klaavical]

Damn right he did!

A level athlete confirmed!

But Bruce ain't scared of anybody!

Hit him with some power shots....

Then it was all over, perfect technique.

(This fight scene is actually way longer.)

 

[TheMaster]

MMA existed b4 the UFC.

Vale Tudo in Brazil was going on for decades b4 the UFC.

The Gracies are significantly older than Bruce Lee.

Get your facts straight.

What dumb jocks and fanboys idolize does not make something more than it is. Dumbass.

And Judo existed before the Gracie's starting using bastardized Judo in freefights. So what?
If u weren't such a dumbass, you would know that Bruce pioneered cross training a full contact sparring the US. The Gracie's did not cross train, they promoted 'one style'.

Why should Bruce compete when he is an actor with everything to lose? You can't have multiple careers and be successful he did more than enough for martial arts.

Funny you are mad at that because actual real FIGHTERS from Sugar ray leonard, Anderson Silva to Mcgregor and everyone in between all idolize or acknowledge Bruce Lee as a great if not the greatest Martial Artist of all time. Lots of modern day "real fighters" will openly admit to taking from Bruce Lee's mental game. His impact was huge.... hell they even put him in the UFC game.

Yes hes not the greatest "fighter" and fighting has evolved greatly through MMA, but as a martial artist first and foremost there's no one that made as big as an impact as Bruce Lee.

Yes exactly. Only fat doughboy beer drinking tuffmen wannabees and modern revisionists would diss Bruce Lee. Real fighters almost universally admire him and many,many pro fighters credit him for why they started martial arts.

 

[Flboycanscrap2]

And Judo existed before the Gracie's starting using bastardized Judo in freefights. So what?
If u weren't such a dumbass, you would know that Bruce pioneered cross training a full contact sparring the US. The Gracie's did not cross train, they promoted 'one style'.

Why should Bruce compete when he is an actor with everything to lose? You can't have multiple careers and be successful he did more than enough for martial arts.



Yes exactly. Only fat doughboy beer drinking tuffmen wannabees and modern revisionists would diss Bruce Lee. Real fighters almost universally admire him and many,many pro fighters credit him for why they started martial arts.

Lol. Personal attacks aside. Lol.

Bruce didn't pioneer shit, where is the training footage of him cross training? Where is the full contact footage? Personal accounts and interviews are super limited all exist in a very short time span.

The Gracies didn't need to cross train, they had a stylistic advantage but that contribution changed the game completely. And....they were willing to prove it to anyone.

Why would Bruce compete? To show his isn't full of shit. DUH!

The opinions of dumbass fighters who don't even know what is going on in their own division is meaningless. They aren't analysts or high level coaches. Mind you they aren't immune to ignorance and hero worship. This shit is incredibly simple to understand.

Give credit to Bruce if you want, but more credit should go to other people who don't have that level of celebrity.

 

[The Big Bang]

Lol. Personal attacks aside. Lol.

Bruce didn't pioneer shit, where is the training footage of him cross training? Where is the full contact footage? Personal accounts and interviews are super limited all exist in a very short time span.

The Gracies didn't need to cross train, they had a stylistic advantage but that contribution changed the game completely. And....they were willing to prove it to anyone.

Why would Bruce compete? To show his isn't full of shit. DUH!

The opinions of dumbass fighters who don't even know what is going on in their own division is meaningless. They aren't analysts or high level coaches. Mind you they aren't immune to ignorance and hero worship. This shit is incredibly simple to understand.

Give credit to Bruce if you want, but more credit should go to other people who don't have that level of celebrity.

Your favorite fighters probably respect Bruce GREATLY.............................

Your favorite fighters > you

 

[Flboycanscrap2]

Your favorite fighters probably respect Bruce GREATLY.............................

Your favorite fighters > you

I don't have favorite fighters, I'm not a child.

And I can like them and disagree with them at the same time if i did.

Wake up, and after you're awake, Grow up.

 

[Fredwreck619]

He’s an Icon. It’s more than MMA or acting.
Like any other fucking icon, it’s more than their just their primary career.

Also it’s moronic to think if a great one of the past in any field, were to be put in modern era, that they wouldn’t adapt and improve to current standards, or better.

 

[Fredwreck619]

Dat shoulders hips triangle

Yeah man, that’s my idea of ideal physique.
Dude looked like a cobra in that picture.
Even Arnold Schwarzenegger at the time marveled at his physique. It’s utmost optimal.

 

[TheMaster]

Lol. Personal attacks aside. Lol.

Bruce didn't pioneer shit, where is the training footage of him cross training? Where is the full contact footage? Personal accounts and interviews are super limited all exist in a very short time span.

The Gracies didn't need to cross train, they had a stylistic advantage but that contribution changed the game completely. And....they were willing to prove it to anyone.

Why would Bruce compete? To show his isn't full of shit. DUH!

The opinions of dumbass fighters who don't even know what is going on in their own division is meaningless. They aren't analysts or high level coaches. Mind you they aren't immune to ignorance and hero worship. This shit is incredibly simple to understand.

Give credit to Bruce if you want, but more credit should go to other people who don't have that level of celebrity.

Lol. Just leave. Please, u are just embarrassing yourself themore u post and show u know very little about martial arts. I can say calling u a dumbass is not a personal attack- it is descriptive in your case son, sorry to tell you this. I'm sure in other areas of life you may be moderately successful, but just leave the whole 'martial arts' thing ,it's not for you.

As to answering some of your ridiculous questions.
There is plenty of video of Bruce cross training. But seriously anyone who knows anything about martial arts wouldn't even make such a statement. So I'll just give u some pointers to start and do your own research into Bruce and the history of US martial arts.
He started with Wing Chun.
Next read up on Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis, Gene Lebell, Dan Inosanto...

 

[Krimzon]

Jerome Lebanner listened to Bruce Lee interviews in preparation for training. So Bruce Lee is trained one of the greatest K1 fighters of all time! AFTER HE DIED!

Most successful actively deceased coach of all time.

 

[snackgod]

The guy has fanboys on every corner, i see videos and comments on youtube by guys saying that bruce would dominate the ufc, he hits harder than a heavyweight and moves like a flyweight, i saw a comment with shit load of likes saying that bruce would beat michael jai white in a fight, yeah, you heard it right... A tiny Asian man that stood at 5ft6 150lbs soaking wet beating up a 6ft2 200+lbs jacked mulitple black belt life time martial artist. He also hits harder than Mike Tyson... Who are these individuals that spread this type of misinformation?

I dont get it, he has no proffesional fights on his record, in anything... And there is no footage of him fighting or competing against any pro or known fighter.

At least chuck norris has a karate record.

It seems its better to fake it till you make it than actually doing it for real.

Can someone explain it to me, what impresses you?
He's athletic, looks good in movies, has cool quotes, the one inch punch that has no tie in with actual fighting where your opponet doesnt stand there and let you hit him (in most cases) and oh dear, worst case scenario pushes you back slightly.

I look at him the same way i look Steven Seagal, at least Seagal taught Silva that front kick.



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he was one of the most famous karate guys in the world. he made some famous movies before he was killed. he didnt have any pro fights under his belt cause he wasnt a boxer an the ufc wasnt around back than.

rememeber when mark hunt got ko;ed bye that small melvin manoff.

 

[The Big Bang]

I don't have favorite fighters, I'm not a child.

And I can like them and disagree with them at the same time if i did.

Wake up, and after you're awake, Grow up.

LOL @ you don't have favorite fighters.

You are GREAT at owning yourself bub.

 

[Flboycanscrap2]

Lol. Just leave. Please, u are just embarrassing yourself themore u post and show u know very little about martial arts. I can say calling u a dumbass is not a personal attack- it is descriptive in your case son, sorry to tell you this. I'm sure in other areas of life you may be moderately successful, but just leave the whole 'martial arts' thing ,it's not for you.

As to answering some of your ridiculous questions.
There is plenty of video of Bruce cross training. But seriously anyone who knows anything about martial arts wouldn't even make such a statement. So I'll just give u some pointers to start and do your own research into Bruce and the history of US martial arts.
He started with Wing Chun.
Next read up on Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis, Gene Lebell, Dan Inosanto...

lolololol. You are such a pussy.

I'm actually very successful and talented and have been training for 25 years. Can you say the same? But whatever that is neither here nor there. I would walk right through Bruce, let alone a pro. lol

Post the links of the videos.

I have read the claims and all but Dan thinks Bruce was a good martial artist but not some legend except when their chasing clout.

 

[Flboycanscrap2]

LOL @ you don't have favorite fighters.

You are GREAT at owning yourself bub.

You can't even form rhetoric lolololol.

Owned how? Can you even form arguments or are you this inept at everything?

 

[The Big Bang]

You can't even form rhetoric lolololol.

Owned how? Can you even form arguments or are you this inept at everything?

Flab boy can't scrap...just leave already.