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Bruce lee fans are of the same ilk as pro wrestling fans
Bruce Lee did have a Fight with another so-called Master from his community. I'm not saying Bruce Lee could beat an MMA Fighter. It just can't be proven. It's all speculation. LOL
What was most impressive is that Bruce Lee came up with the idea of Mixed Martial Arts before MMA ever existed.
This was done at a time where martial arts were about sticking to dogma and maintaining secrets that were shrouded in mystery.
His martial arts style (Jeet Kune Do) was focused on studying all martial arts, rejecting what was useful, and keeping what works.
This is essentially what MMA is.
Bruce lee even said a quote to the effect of "A guy who’s been wrestling and boxing for a year can beat a martial artist who’s been training for 15 years."
So he even acknowledged the effectiveness of boxing and wrestling versus traditional martial arts (TMA).
Look up that "master". It was like what we call today a schoolyard brawl between two men who couldnt fight but had both high egos because of their "fighting style"
Complete and utter horseshit. The "maintaining secrets" only was relevant for mumbojumbo TMA nonsense were he came from. Thats were you best see that he did not even try to train with and look up real competitive working MA. There were a lot of high level MAs out there who did not behave like that. MT, boxing, Kyukushin, Wrestling...etc
And yeah he acknowledged the effectiveness of boxing/ wrestling and then did not develop the tiniest bit of skill in them but instead formed his own martial arts without any fighting skill. Not one amateur fight in boxing/wrestling and no serious training in it either other than fairy tales. It was a great marketing ploy nothing more.
Actors like Van Damme or Dolph Lundgren are 10x the martial artists than Lee.
MMA / cross training developed mostly in brazil, japan and netherlands. All with serious martial artists who did compete and because of that were even able to see what would work. MMA is were it is exactly because of people behaving NOT like Lee.
I'm fine with giving credit to the originators. Difference between the Gracies and Bruce is that the Gracies added legitimate technique and Bruce only offered philosophy.
Van Damme lol.
You are an utter tool and should be ashamed to calk yourself a 'martial artist'. Learn some respect and stop talking crap.
Bruce helped put martial arts and cross training on the map around the world and inspired hundred of MMA fighters. Hundreds.
His main profession was acting, u expect him to have multiple careers?
Even as primarily an actor he had the thought of cross training light years ahead of the Gracie's who just promoted their one style of submission Judo as the be all end all which we know to be false.
Bruce identified the foundation of MMA before it came to be in the modern era - do what works and discard what is useless, train aspects of multiple styles to be rounded and emphasize conditioning and weights and calithenics for strength and endurance.
Wrestling is nothing new it has always been around in every culture. It used to be combined with boxing in the old days. Add Judo/BJJ and karate/kicking and some elbows and knees and weapons training u have a fully well-rounded fighter. Bruce was going in this direction and encouraged others to do likewiseby establishing JKD. Who knows what he would've achieved if he had lived into his 80's not until 32.
You don’t train. You are not even worthy to lick Bruces piss off a toilet rim.
Jesus the absolute gaul.
Bruce lee fans are of the same ilk as pro wrestling fans
Lol no it doesnt. Theres plenty of fighters that are pro wrestling fans as well. Hell, theres even crossover between the 2. More than the hollywood kung fu expert ever did with all his godly skillsHis "fans" include YOUR favorite MMA fighters,
So...your point FAILS.
Lol no it doesnt. Theres plenty of fighters that are pro wrestling fans as well. Hell, theres even crossover between the 2. More than the hollywood kung fu expert ever did with all his godly skills
The problemBruce Lee was great at what he did and is an important figure in modern martial arts history. The problem is the illusion that he was some untouchable god, if he was alive and in his prime rn and was in the UFC he more than likely wouldn't win the belt.
The problem
is the complete lack of respect to one of history's greatest people is what it is.
The guy has fanboys on every corner, i see videos and comments on youtube by guys saying that bruce would dominate the ufc, he hits harder than a heavyweight and moves like a flyweight, i saw a comment with shit load of likes saying that bruce would beat michael jai white in a fight, yeah, you heard it right... A tiny Asian man that stood at 5ft6 150lbs soaking wet beating up a 6ft2 200+lbs jacked mulitple black belt life time martial artist. He also hits harder than Mike Tyson... Who are these individuals that spread this type of misinformation?
I dont get it, he has no proffesional fights on his record, in anything... And there is no footage of him fighting or competing against any pro or known fighter.
At least chuck norris has a karate record.
It seems its better to fake it till you make it than actually doing it for real.
Can someone explain it to me, what impresses you?
He's athletic, looks good in movies, has cool quotes, the one inch punch that has no tie in with actual fighting where your opponet doesnt stand there and let you hit him (in most cases) and oh dear, worst case scenario pushes you back slightly.
I look at him the same way i look Steven Seagal, at least Seagal taught Silva that front kick.
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. He was able to challenge the orthodoxy in the USA because he went out and proved it. I posted a video on Page 15. Watch the whole thing. The only martial arts from a sporting perspective that existed when he came to the USA was point sparring. There was no kickboxing, there was no MMA. The difference between the Gracies and Lee was the Gracies were able to add to a foundation that was in place. Lee was one of the pioneers in laying down that foundation. Lee was one of the originators of full-contact in martial arts in the USA.
Your claim about giving credit to originators is contradicted by your comment where you don't.
Full contact karate and kickboxing did exist b4 Bruce's death, ask Joe Lewis who worked with Bruce. Boxing existed and Bruce was a big fan. Judo and wrestling existed too. Yet he didnt compete in any of these sports. Curious.
The Gracies were b4 Bruce not after, they were just in Brazil, so was Luta Vivre.
Reply with the video if you want, im not fishing for it. I hope it is worth it.
I think you have Boston cabin fever.