It kinda pisses me off how a guy like Bruce Lee gets more credit and recognition than real fighters

Bruce Lee was a martial artist that inspired many of the people involved in the MMA industry.

I don’t understand why it’s a hard concept to grasp that people looked up to him and his philosophies about martial arts. He was a very influential person.

If you don’t understand that then... you’re kind of a dumbass.
 
Bruce gets credit for some mma because his whole style was a mix of styles. He was using armbars etc. But in a fight with no training else than what he knew, of course a good pro would win. Maybe with a few years training he could hang better, but its really dumb of anyone to think he could just come to the ufc and win.
 
VB MMA said:
Bruce Lee did have a Fight with another so-called Master from his community. I'm not saying Bruce Lee could beat an MMA Fighter. It just can't be proven. It's all speculation. LOL
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Look up that "master". It was like what we call today a schoolyard brawl between two men who couldnt fight but had both high egos because of their "fighting style"

chamcham said:
What was most impressive is that Bruce Lee came up with the idea of Mixed Martial Arts before MMA ever existed.
This was done at a time where martial arts were about sticking to dogma and maintaining secrets that were shrouded in mystery.

His martial arts style (Jeet Kune Do) was focused on studying all martial arts, rejecting what was useful, and keeping what works.
This is essentially what MMA is.

Bruce lee even said a quote to the effect of "A guy who’s been wrestling and boxing for a year can beat a martial artist who’s been training for 15 years."
So he even acknowledged the effectiveness of boxing and wrestling versus traditional martial arts (TMA).
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Complete and utter horseshit. The "maintaining secrets" only was relevant for mumbojumbo TMA nonsense were he came from. Thats were you best see that he did not even try to train with and look up real competitive working MA. There were a lot of high level MAs out there who did not behave like that. MT, boxing, Kyukushin, Wrestling...etc

And yeah he acknowledged the effectiveness of boxing/ wrestling and then did not develop the tiniest bit of skill in them but instead formed his own martial arts without any fighting skill. Not one amateur fight in boxing/wrestling and no serious training in it either other than fairy tales. It was a great marketing ploy nothing more.

Actors like Van Damme or Dolph Lundgren are 10x the martial artists than Lee.

MMA / cross training developed mostly in brazil, japan and netherlands. All with serious martial artists who did compete and because of that were even able to see what would work. MMA is were it is exactly because of people behaving NOT like Lee.
 
listrahtes said:
Look up that "master". It was like what we call today a schoolyard brawl between two men who couldnt fight but had both high egos because of their "fighting style"



Complete and utter horseshit. The "maintaining secrets" only was relevant for mumbojumbo TMA nonsense were he came from. Thats were you best see that he did not even try to train with and look up real competitive working MA. There were a lot of high level MAs out there who did not behave like that. MT, boxing, Kyukushin, Wrestling...etc

And yeah he acknowledged the effectiveness of boxing/ wrestling and then did not develop the tiniest bit of skill in them but instead formed his own martial arts without any fighting skill. Not one amateur fight in boxing/wrestling and no serious training in it either other than fairy tales. It was a great marketing ploy nothing more.

Actors like Van Damme or Dolph Lundgren are 10x the martial artists than Lee.

MMA / cross training developed mostly in brazil, japan and netherlands. All with serious martial artists who did compete and because of that were even able to see what would work. MMA is were it is exactly because of people behaving NOT like Lee.
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Van Damme lol.
You are an utter tool and should be ashamed to calk yourself a 'martial artist'. Learn some respect and stop talking crap.

Bruce helped put martial arts and cross training on the map around the world and inspired hundred of MMA fighters. Hundreds.
His main profession was acting, u expect him to have multiple careers?
Even as primarily an actor he had the thought of cross training light years ahead of the Gracie's who just promoted their one style of submission Judo as the be all end all which we know to be false.

Bruce identified the foundation of MMA before it came to be in the modern era - do what works and discard what is useless, train aspects of multiple styles to be rounded and emphasize conditioning and weights and calithenics for strength and endurance.

Wrestling is nothing new it has always been around in every culture. It used to be combined with boxing in the old days. Add Judo/BJJ and karate/kicking and some elbows and knees and weapons training u have a fully well-rounded fighter. Bruce was going in this direction and encouraged others to do likewiseby establishing JKD. Who knows what he would've achieved if he had lived into his 80's not until 32.
 
Flboycanscrap2 said:
I'm fine with giving credit to the originators. Difference between the Gracies and Bruce is that the Gracies added legitimate technique and Bruce only offered philosophy.
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. He was able to challenge the orthodoxy in the USA because he went out and proved it. I posted a video on Page 15. Watch the whole thing. The only martial arts from a sporting perspective that existed when he came to the USA was point sparring. There was no kickboxing, there was no MMA. The difference between the Gracies and Lee was the Gracies were able to add to a foundation that was in place. Lee was one of the pioneers in laying down that foundation. Lee was one of the originators of full-contact in martial arts in the USA.

Your claim about giving credit to originators is contradicted by your comment where you don't.
 
TheMaster said:
Van Damme lol.
You are an utter tool and should be ashamed to calk yourself a 'martial artist'. Learn some respect and stop talking crap.

Bruce helped put martial arts and cross training on the map around the world and inspired hundred of MMA fighters. Hundreds.
His main profession was acting, u expect him to have multiple careers?
Even as primarily an actor he had the thought of cross training light years ahead of the Gracie's who just promoted their one style of submission Judo as the be all end all which we know to be false.

Bruce identified the foundation of MMA before it came to be in the modern era - do what works and discard what is useless, train aspects of multiple styles to be rounded and emphasize conditioning and weights and calithenics for strength and endurance.

Wrestling is nothing new it has always been around in every culture. It used to be combined with boxing in the old days. Add Judo/BJJ and karate/kicking and some elbows and knees and weapons training u have a fully well-rounded fighter. Bruce was going in this direction and encouraged others to do likewiseby establishing JKD. Who knows what he would've achieved if he had lived into his 80's not until 32.
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He was primarily a martial artist, actually, and became one of the first to cross over into mainstream movies because of his prominence as a martial artist.
 
Swarthy said:
You don’t train. You are not even worthy to lick Bruces piss off a toilet rim.

Jesus the absolute gaul.
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I think you meant "gall."

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The Big Bang said:
His "fans" include YOUR favorite MMA fighters,

So...your point FAILS.
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Lol no it doesnt. Theres plenty of fighters that are pro wrestling fans as well. Hell, theres even crossover between the 2. More than the hollywood kung fu expert ever did with all his godly skills
 
evergreenrider said:
Lol no it doesnt. Theres plenty of fighters that are pro wrestling fans as well. Hell, theres even crossover between the 2. More than the hollywood kung fu expert ever did with all his godly skills
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Your butt must be SO bruised all the fucking time.
 
FlyingDeathKick said:
Bruce Lee was great at what he did and is an important figure in modern martial arts history. The problem is the illusion that he was some untouchable god, if he was alive and in his prime rn and was in the UFC he more than likely wouldn't win the belt.
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The problem
is the complete lack of respect to one of history's greatest people is what it is.
 
HHJ said:
The problem
is the complete lack of respect to one of history's greatest people is what it is.
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Yes.

What it comes down to is simply...a lack of respect.

In the case of many Sherbros, it can go WAY beyond that into jealously territory.

It really boggles the mind how people can be so fucking sour for no fucking reason.
 
AlanGregson said:
The guy has fanboys on every corner, i see videos and comments on youtube by guys saying that bruce would dominate the ufc, he hits harder than a heavyweight and moves like a flyweight, i saw a comment with shit load of likes saying that bruce would beat michael jai white in a fight, yeah, you heard it right... A tiny Asian man that stood at 5ft6 150lbs soaking wet beating up a 6ft2 200+lbs jacked mulitple black belt life time martial artist. He also hits harder than Mike Tyson... Who are these individuals that spread this type of misinformation?

I dont get it, he has no proffesional fights on his record, in anything... And there is no footage of him fighting or competing against any pro or known fighter.

At least chuck norris has a karate record.

It seems its better to fake it till you make it than actually doing it for real.

Can someone explain it to me, what impresses you?
He's athletic, looks good in movies, has cool quotes, the one inch punch that has no tie in with actual fighting where your opponet doesnt stand there and let you hit him (in most cases) and oh dear, worst case scenario pushes you back slightly.

I look at him the same way i look Steven Seagal, at least Seagal taught Silva that front kick.
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Bruce Lee was untested as a fighter but he never saw himself as one. He was a teacher and coached successful champs in martial arts.

You look at UFC 1, guys came in with only a single martial art. Even Gracie was painfully one dimensional and won early UFCs. It probably wasn’t until Don Frye that we saw a well rounded fighter in a wrestler who could box. The 90s, well after Lee has put years of work into educating people about mixed martial arts.

This is where Lee was ahead of his time. He didn’t invent cross training. It had been done decades before but he did majorly help popularize it, more so than anyone before him.

After being embarrassed when Gene LeBell threw him around and outgrappled him he saw a hole in his game and began studying grappling a lot more.

Joe Lewis who Bruce coached and trained with told a great story about them training. Lee asks him to triple up on a shot so he can counter. Lee got tagged and failed to counter multiple times but eventually he gets the timing and lands a lovely counter. Lee’s students spring up and run around telling everyone Lee kicked Lewis ass!

That really sums up Lee for me. He was learning a new technique with a world class fighter and his students spread the rumor and legends and myths were started.

The man is 90% legend at this point. His speed, his strength, mythical physics defying fetes. They mostly didn’t happen. What did happen was you had a guy who was perfecting what we know as MMA today. From Kung Fu, Boxing, Judo, Wrestling etc.. the guy tries to take the most effective bits from each and teach them to people.

As a pioneer he deserves massive respect and as a teacher likewise.

I would put cold hard cash that after he refined his grappling you take any other man in the world in his weight class, throw them into a modern MMA rules fight and he wins. Not talking time travel and him competing today but in his own time do I doubt too many people on the face of the earth his size were gunna beat him in MMA.
 
Gene Lebell is the FIRST person who fought in MMA in America. Bruce Lee was smart enough to recognize grappling ability. His intelligence and understanding the importance of grappling during that time makes him a true genius.

Fact is, he was preaching mixing of martial arts in the 60s and yet we had to wait till UFC becoming popular in 2005 to finally see what he saw over 4 decades ago.

Also a shout out to Count Dante for mixing boxing and Karate with judo and Kung-Fu.
 
fzoid4454 said:
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. He was able to challenge the orthodoxy in the USA because he went out and proved it. I posted a video on Page 15. Watch the whole thing. The only martial arts from a sporting perspective that existed when he came to the USA was point sparring. There was no kickboxing, there was no MMA. The difference between the Gracies and Lee was the Gracies were able to add to a foundation that was in place. Lee was one of the pioneers in laying down that foundation. Lee was one of the originators of full-contact in martial arts in the USA.

Your claim about giving credit to originators is contradicted by your comment where you don't.
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Full contact karate and kickboxing did exist b4 Bruce's death, ask Joe Lewis who worked with Bruce. Boxing existed and Bruce was a big fan. Judo and wrestling existed too. Yet he didnt compete in any of these sports. Curious.

The Gracies were b4 Bruce not after, they were just in Brazil, so was Luta Vivre.

Reply with the video if you want, im not fishing for it. I hope it is worth it.
 
Flboycanscrap2 said:
Full contact karate and kickboxing did exist b4 Bruce's death, ask Joe Lewis who worked with Bruce. Boxing existed and Bruce was a big fan. Judo and wrestling existed too. Yet he didnt compete in any of these sports. Curious.

The Gracies were b4 Bruce not after, they were just in Brazil, so was Luta Vivre.

Reply with the video if you want, im not fishing for it. I hope it is worth it.
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I think you have Boston cabin fever.
 
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