It boggles my mind that JDS is @ -160

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  1. tigerstripes

    tigerstripes Banned Banned

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    JDS's standup is miles better than Cain's. This is not questionable.

    So that leaves Cain's wrestling + cardio.

    JDS knew Mir's only goal was get the fight to the ground. Mir's wrestling is trash, yes I know. But Mir couldn't get close without having his face broken. Same with Carwin. I personally can't remember when I saw JDS get gassed.

    So Cain's wrestling. Can Cain get close enough to go for a takedown? And if he does get a hold of JDS, can he take him down and better yet hold him?

    I see JDS destroying Cain down the HW rankings.
     
  2. Auz

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    I pick JDS, but Cain is VERY dangerous for JDS this time around
     
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    JDS was a bit gassed vs carwin. You can't deny that.
     
  4. loxcane

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    the scary thing is that we've never seen JDS on his back. Maybe he's got a great offense off his back, or he's really good at getting up. Cain is a long shot to ever beat him imo. But we really won't know until/unless he gets him to the mat
     
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    I never thought cain was very good honestly, I never thought he was the number 1 HW ever at any time, even while holding the belt.

    he won the belt and gained the rank as number one HW by beating brock lesnar....which doesn't make you as great a fighter as people say cain is.

    also chiek kongo rocked cain with like every punch, then got a takedown on him. I don't see why JDS and really any top HW should have a problem with cain.
     
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    I really don't see this fight going any differently than the first one.

    JDS via KO R1
     
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    Cain is a super overrated Gatekeeper. The fact of the matter is this, Cain although virtually non threatening to JDS is one of the few good known Heavies left beside The Reem who can generate money. This is due to Cain being a Mexican who can draw in the boxing crowd. As a fighter he works hard and can take lower mid tier guys but he will never beat JDS or the Reem. Reasons for this? Lack of KO power. Yeah he can beat up Silva but who has Silva really beat? His only notable win is vs Fedor who he outweighed by like 50 pounds. He has a glass jaw and would probably never compete in the UFC if the heavies weren't stretched so thin. The only guys that can possibly challenge JDS would be the Reem and DC. A wrestler who's got decent boxing isn't going to win against a boxer like JDS because he will never be able to take him down and play on his terms, he will always be forced to play on JDS terms which will end in a KO 9/10 times.
     
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    He punched himself out even more against Big Country when he threw everything but the kitchen sink at him.

    He took three or four VICIOUS hooks from Kongo, and he had recovered every single time before he had reached crouching position, YEAH that's some glass jaw homie, how fucking retarded are you on a scale from 1-10? 12?

    JDS hit him SQUARE in the temple last time (take a basic human anatomy course), our temple is located nowhere near our jaw you moronic donkey, and even then he never even went out fully, he was completly coherent when Herb Dean stepped in, every single punch he takes while on the ground hit the same spot as when he was standing, THE TEMPLE, NOT THE JAW.
     
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    Cain looked like a man possessed against Bigfoot. He's hungry which is going to make for an interesting fight. In their first fight he had a bummed knee that affected his ability to shoot. Hopefully Cain comes in injury free this time around. I like JDS a lot, but I want Cain to have the title more.
     
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    I think the fight is gonna go pretty much the same way as the first.
    JDS TKO 2 Round.
     
  11. RyanR

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    I think Cain's going be a LOT more cautious this time around and try to grapple JDS. I see Cain winning R1 and maybe R2, but I think JDS will KO him by the 3rd.
     
  12. tigerstripes

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    Somewhat but at that point in the fight, it was because he was doing a heavy bag session.

    I may be wrong but JDS is a black belt. This may not paint the whole picture but it gives some insight on what JDS is knowledgeable about and has practiced.

    Roy is like the Blob. The more you throw at him, the stronger he gets and he keeps coming.
     
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    His teammates praise his grappling abilities... but that doesn't really mean anything, the gym isn't the cage. However, knowing how hard he works, and knowing how well he thinks the sport... it's probably true.
     
  14. Auz

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    Cain can beat everyone in HW outside of JDS, Reem, and Cormier.

    He's no gatekeeper.
     
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    Not to take away anything from Antonio but he isn't a top tier fighter. (No Fedor reference). JDS was also injured for their first fight.

    I agree that Cain will be a lot more cautious in the first round but that doesn't mean he'll be able to take JDS down. That's his only weapon and we already know Cain's chin is made of glass. I don't think anyone throws as hard as JDS does.
     
  16. JayElectra

    JayElectra Paper Belt Banned

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    So many assumptions...
     
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    Cain easily smashes Overeem, and probably beats Cormier.

    Overeem is getting way too much hype for beating a Lesnar who didn't feel like wrestling that night, and winning a not so spectacular decision vs Werdum who was getting the better of him on many exchanges.
     
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    JDS being a BJJ black belt means NOTHING really, there's TONS of people in the UFC that has black belts on paper, that get's submitted or ground and pounded into oblivion by people who are actual skilled grapplers.

    ALSO, to every one of you who claims Cain has a GLASS CHIN, HOW IN THE FUCK do you have a GLASS CHIN, when you can take THREE or FOUR vicious hooks from someone that hit's as hard as Kongo and have managed to recover by the time you are in a kneeling position, 99,9% of the HW's in the UFC would BE OUT if they got hit with hooks like that.

    And every single person on this planet would fall down if they get hit square in the temple like JDS connected last time on Cain, that's just how our anatomy works, no "chin" on earth is gonna save you from having your equilibrium receptors going FUBAR if you get hit square in the temple.
     
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    JayElectra Paper Belt Banned

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    Velasquez has a great top game. We haven't seen what JDS can do from his back. That is why he isn't a bigger favorite, TS.
     
  20. Mavant

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    Cain is a "live" dog for the betting man.
     

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