International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

Choose the following that best describes your position

  • I do not support Israel attacking Iran

    Votes: 223 61.6%

  • I support Israel attacking Iran, but do not support America becoming directly involved.

    Votes: 93 25.7%

  • I’m for America directly involving itself in the conflict.

    Votes: 46 12.7%
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Siver! said:
BBC report the mood has changed in Israel as they realise the iron dome is not impregnable.

War is a very different prospect when you realise YOU can die, and it's not just watching Muslims burning on a screen, so let's see how reality alters perceptions there.
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Good, I hope they blame their smug sociopath leader and get him out of office. Let him go to trial too..
 
BluntForceTrama said:
That’s a nice quaint explanation except you neglect the fact Iran through its proxies and other means is trying to decimate Israel. Israel does not have the same protocol in mind. The Saudis have expressed this sentiment recently
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TBH though this region is all about proxy wars as you essentially have two hegemonic powers fighting for influence (Iran and Saudi Arabia). Saudi Arabia funds a fuckload of Djihadis in the region and they attack Iranian allies. Israel has targeted Iranian intelligence and military personel for years and collaborated with Iran’s enemies to strike Iranian assets.

These things go both ways and that shithole of a region is a cluster fuck. TBH I wonder why the fuck Iran needs to hate Israel like that but that’s another story. However, sitting there pretending that Israel has been attacked for ne reason for years by Iran is a ridiculous narrative, even if it’s the one the american public believes.
 
Siver! said:
BBC report the mood has changed in Israel as they realise the iron dome is not impregnable.

War is a very different prospect when you realise YOU can die, and it's not just watching Muslims burning on a screen, so let's see how reality alters perceptions there.
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Yes I am wondering how this plays out. But these ballistic missiles have been impressive.
 
Iran accuses Israel of war crimes as a hospital has been targeted. Link (sorry in French):

www.lemonde.fr

Israël-Iran : l’armée israélienne dit avoir détruit « plus de la moitié » des lanceurs de missiles iraniens, des personnes arrêtées pour espionnage à Téhéran. Retrouvez les informations du 13 au 20 juin

Au 7ᵉ jour de la guerre entre les deux pays, des habitants du nord d’Israël ont été appelés à se confiner dans des abris. Donald Trump se décidera sur une intervention militaire des Etats-Unis en Iran « au cours des deux prochaines semaines », selon la Maison Blanche, qui affirme que Téhéran...
www.lemonde.fr www.lemonde.fr
 
Adamant said:
Still very likely better than the current regime. Otherwise, perhaps have the people choose a new leader. Hopefully someone that is anti sharia law, if that's possible.
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Sure that would be nice but let's not kid ourselves, the people don't get to choose leaders anywhere.
 
Phlog said:
Hey man, I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate? Apologies I took some pretty solid hits to the head yesterday!
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I know the modus operandi of most current Palestine supporters is to watch a video somewhere and then decide that they know all there is to know about something. And that's one way they make themselves look really dumb. You watched an interview with the Shah, and then you thought you had a good idea of what the relationship between Israel and Iran used to be. That is, sorry, really quite crazy. What happened to actually sitting down and reading about something? Or going out in the world and learning about it?

You clearly don't have much of an idea what that relationship was like. You think they couldn't be friendly because they disagreed on some things? It's the Middle East. People are NEVER in agreement about everything, and they could be friends one day, at each other's throats the next, and then on the third decide that they should be kind of friendly again because they have a common enemy that they need each other's help to kill. That kind of stuff happens ALL the time.

And Israel and Iran have certainly been like that. Israel even helped Iran in the war against Iraq in the 80s, for various reasons, while at the same time Iranian school children would be shouting "DEATH TO ISRAEL, DEATH TO AMMMMRICA!!!" every morning before their classes. Relationships in the Middle East are often pretty damn complicated. There are always conflicts, always power struggles, and the whole place, even Israel itself, is even more messy than it appears from outside. And while Israel and Iran under the Shah certainly had disagreements, and the Shah himself really was a bit of a pscyho, at least seen with Western democratic eyes (no one should be under the illusion that things Iran were so perfect until 1979, things were just a lot better than they are now), the two countries got along pretty damn well most of the time. They helped each other out a lot. Admittedly, part of the reason they made friends were of course the fact that Iran has never had that many friends in the region in the first place, and Israel of course wanted some new friends too. But it turned out pretty good, all things considered. It's funny how these things work in the long run, though. The serials on some of the weapons used by Hamas show that they were among the ones gifted from Israel to Iran decades ago, for example.

Anyway, there is certainly no need for apologies as long as you'll excuse the typos and grammar mistakes etc etc in my posts haha. I do very much know what taking too many solid hits to the head can be like. ;) Careful with sparring / fighting, Sherbro.
 
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KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
Iran accuses Israel of war crimes as a hospital has been targeted. Link (sorry in French):

www.lemonde.fr

Israël-Iran : l’armée israélienne dit avoir détruit « plus de la moitié » des lanceurs de missiles iraniens, des personnes arrêtées pour espionnage à Téhéran. Retrouvez les informations du 13 au 20 juin

Au 7ᵉ jour de la guerre entre les deux pays, des habitants du nord d’Israël ont été appelés à se confiner dans des abris. Donald Trump se décidera sur une intervention militaire des Etats-Unis en Iran « au cours des deux prochaines semaines », selon la Maison Blanche, qui affirme que Téhéran...
www.lemonde.fr www.lemonde.fr
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Israel brags about air superiority and that they can pick and choose any target now...

... as reports come in about them hitting a hospital and a fire department.

That's Israel.
 
Sir Punchalot said:
I know the modus operandi of most current Palestine supporters is to watch a video somewhere and then decide that they know all there is to know about something. And that's one way they make themselves look really dumb. You watched an interview with the Shah, and then you thought you had a good idea of what the relationship between Israel and Iran used to be. That is, sorry, really quite crazy. What happened to actually sitting down and reading about something? Or going out in the world and learning about it?

You clearly don't have much of an idea what that relationship was like. You think they couldn't be friendly because they disagreed on some things? It's the Middle East. People are NEVER in agreement about everything, and they could be friends one day, at each other's throats the next, and then on the third decide that they should be kind of friendly again because they have a common enemy that they need each other's help to kill. That kind of stuff happens ALL the time.

And Israel and Iran have certainly been like that. Israel even helped Iran in the war against Iraq in the 80s, for various reasons, while at the same time Iranian school children would be shouting "DEATH TO ISRAEL, DEATH TO AMMMMRICA!!!" every morning before their classes. Relationships in the Middle East are often pretty damn complicated. There are always conflicts, always power struggles, and the whole place, even Israel itself, is even more messy than it appears from outside. And while Israel and Iran under the Shah certainly had disagreements, and the Shah himself really was a bit of a pscyho, at least seen with Western democratic eyes (no one should be under the illusion that things Iran were so perfect until 1979, things were just a lot better than they are now), the two countries got along pretty damn well most of the time. They helped each other out a lot. Admittedly, part of the reason they made friends were of course the fact that Iran has never had that many friends in the region in the first place, and Israel of course wanted some new friends too. But it turned out pretty good, all things considered. It's funny how these things work in the long run, though. The serials on some of the weapons used by Hamas show that they were among the ones gifted from Israel to Iran decades ago, for example.

Anyway, there is certainly no need for apologies as long as you'll excuse the typos and grammar mistakes etc etc in my posts haha. I do very much know what taking too many solid hits to the head can be like. ;) Careful with sparring / fighting, Sherbro.
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Ok! Thanks for the intel 🙂

I was trying to suggest instating someone like the Shah would not necessarily be a pancea. Like you say, it was a complicated relationship.

Primarily I'm concerned with any suggestions of regime change as there is little to no history of any success in the endeavour.

Definitely learning a lot about middle east politics as of late.
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
Iran accuses Israel of war crimes as a hospital has been targeted. Link (sorry in French):

www.lemonde.fr

Israël-Iran : l’armée israélienne dit avoir détruit « plus de la moitié » des lanceurs de missiles iraniens, des personnes arrêtées pour espionnage à Téhéran. Retrouvez les informations du 13 au 20 juin

Au 7ᵉ jour de la guerre entre les deux pays, des habitants du nord d’Israël ont été appelés à se confiner dans des abris. Donald Trump se décidera sur une intervention militaire des Etats-Unis en Iran « au cours des deux prochaines semaines », selon la Maison Blanche, qui affirme que Téhéran...
www.lemonde.fr www.lemonde.fr
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- Isreal is a terrorist nation.
 
Madmick said:
The estimate was for right before this current conflict. The was in the article, and repeated by me in my post. Do you have difficulty comprehending what you read?

How many total drones has Iran sent to Russia?

Considering that Israel knew so much that they knew exactly when and in which room of his supposedly impenetrable compound that the leader of Hamas would be staying before they assassinated him...I think they probably have the intelligence to make a reasonable estimate.

I call bullshit. Cite me the article where the ISW said Russia was running out of missiles, and what kind. Next, substantiate that Russia continues to use a healthy reserve of those missiles in the Ukrainian conflict.
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I read the entire ISW article, and it does not mention what year the estimate of Iran's missile capability comes from. Grok pulls the information from 2022. You are flat out lying, please tell me where it states otherwise.


3000, stated in 2022


Next, I asked you what year Iran started mass producing Sahed Drones for Russia. You refused to answer this question for whatever reason, so here, Ill answer for you.

Iran began mass producing Shahed drones for Russia in 2022. The first reports of Iran supplying these drones, particularly the Shahed-136, emerged in July 2022, with deliveries confirmed by August 2022. By early 2023, Iran and Russia had developed plans to produce 6,000 drones at a new facility in Russia, indicating a significant scale-up in production.

Onto my next point, Russia exchanged missiles for drones.

Yes, there are reports indicating that Russia promised Iran surface-to-surface missiles in exchange for Shahed drones. According to a Reuters report from October 18, 2022, Iran agreed to provide Russia with surface-to-surface missiles, specifically the Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar models, alongside additional drones, following an agreement reached on October 6, 2022, during a meeting in Moscow between Iranian and Russian officials. This deal was confirmed by a Western official, who noted that the missile transfers would violate U.N. Resolution 2231, which restricts certain arms transfers from Iran. The exchange was part of a deepening military partnership, with Russia seeking to bolster its arsenal for the war in Ukraine, while Iran received funding and support for its space and missile programs in return.



Next, you call bullshit on ISW saying Russia was running out of missiles.





And you are flat out wrong, when that's exactly what they say in both of the linked sources. If you are going to be condescending in responding to someone, make sure you have a clue what you are talking about at least my guy.
 
JoeyJoeJoeJr said:
you say that as a joke, but there are articles all over the internet blaming trump. also, from what ive seen so far it kinda looks like israel is getting their ass kicked
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What? I wasn’t joking. Trump gave them the green light

Israel losing? lol no. Iran obviously doing more than Hamas could ever dream of, but Israel has way more sophisticated ranged weaponry and an unlimited amount since the US will fill their armories back up. I don’t see headlines of high ranking Israeli generals and intelligence getting killed like I do of the notable Iran casualties.
 

Iran strikes Tel Aviv and Haifa as Israel conflict enters fourth day​

Casualties reported in central Israel as G7 leaders were set to meet in Canada with the battle between the two regional enemies set to dominate the agenda

Iranian missiles have struck Israeli cities of Tel Aviv and Haifa, destroying homes and fuelling concerns among world leaders at this week’s G7 meeting that the conflict between the two regional enemies could lead to a broader Middle East war.

Israel’s Magen David Adom (MDA) emergency service said Monday that four people were pronounced dead after strikes at four sites in central Israel, with 87 injured. The dead were two women and two men, all approximately 70 years old, the MDA said.

Authorities in the central Israeli city of Petah Tikva near Tel Aviv said that Iranian missiles had hit a residential building there, charring concrete walls, blowing out windows and heavily damaging multiple apartments.
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Search and location operations were under way in the northern port city of Haifa where about 30 people were wounded, emergency authorities said, as dozens of first responders rushed to the strike zones. Fires were seen burning at a power plant near the port, media reported.

Iranian state TV said the country fired at least 100 missiles at Israel, signalling that it had no intention of yielding to international calls for de-escalation as it pressed on with its retaliation for Israel’s surprise attack on Tehran’s nuclear programme and military leadership on Friday.

Iran’s Revolutionary Guards claimed the latest attack employed a new method that caused Israel’s multi-layered defence systems to target each other. The Guardian was unable to verify this claim. The Israeli military did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the strikes. Israeli officials have repeatedly said the defence system is not 100% infallible and warned of tough days ahead.

Israeli strikes on Iran on Sunday killed the intelligence chief of the country’s Revolutionary Guards, Mohammad Kazemi, along with two other officers, Iran’s IRNA state media news agency reported.

Late on Sunday the Israeli military said that it was striking surface-to-surface missile sites in Iran.
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Images from Tehran showed the night sky lit up by a huge blaze at a fuel depot after Israel began strikes against Iran’s oil and gas sector – raising the stakes for the global economy and the functioning of the Iranian state.


At least 14 people in Israel, including children, were killed in earlier strikes in the lead-up to Monday’s attacks, according to authorities.

The death toll in Iran had reached at least 224, with 90% of the casualties reported to be civilians, an Iranian health ministry spokesperson said.

G7 leaders began gathering in the Canadian Rockies on Sunday with the Israel-Iran conflict expected to be a top priority.

Before leaving for the summit on Sunday, US president Donald Trump was asked what he was doing to de-escalate the situation. “I hope there’s going to be a deal. I think it’s time for a deal,” he told reporters. “Sometimes they have to fight it out.”

German chancellor Friedrich Merz said his goals for the summit included for Iran to not develop or possess nuclear weapons, ensuring Israel’s right to defend itself, avoiding escalation of the conflict and creating room for diplomacy. “This issue will be very high on the agenda of the G7 summit,” Merz told reporters.
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Iran has told mediators Qatar and Oman that it is not open to negotiating a ceasefire while it is under Israeli attack, an official briefed on the communications told Reuters on Sunday.


In Washington, two US officials told Reuters that Trump had vetoed an Israeli plan in recent days to kill Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

When asked about the Reuters report, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Fox News “There’s so many false reports of conversations that never happened, and I’m not going to get into that.“

“We do what we need to do,” he added.

Israel began the assault with a surprise attack on Friday that wiped out the top echelon of Iran’s military command and damaged its nuclear sites, and pledged the campaign would escalate in the coming days.

Iran vowed to “open the gates of hell” in retaliation.

Trump has lauded Israel’s offensive while denying Iranian allegations that the US has taken part and warning Tehran not to widen its retaliation to include US targets.
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However, two US officials said on Friday that the US military had helped shoot down Iranian missiles that were headed toward Israel.

The US president has repeatedly said Iran could end the war by agreeing to tough restrictions on its nuclear programme, which Iran says is for peaceful purposes but which western countries and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) nuclear watchdog say could be used to make an atomic bomb.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/16/israel-iran-conflict-tel-aviv-haifa-missile-strike
 
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