International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

[lsa]

So no receipts?

Russia spends more to influence global politics than Israel, because higher GDP?

We just have to take your word for this then?

Russia spent $300 million secretly interfering in foreign politics, U.S. says

Moscow has covertly funded political parties, officials and politicians in at least two dozen nations across four continents since 2014, according to a newly declassified intelligence review.

www.nbcnews.com

And then we have the Africa corps too

Russia’s Africa Corps – more than old wine in a new bottle | ISS Africa

Reorganising Wagner as Africa Corps enables Russia to expand its Africa strategy through direct state means.

issafrica.org

 

[Rational Poster]

every country on the planet has been invaded by some other country.
if that is the rationale, we should all have nukes.
vietnam has been invaded by america. should they have nukes? or iraq? should armenia get a nuke now since it got invaded by azerbaijan?

I mean that's obviously reductive and simple way to interpret things, and really dishonest.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Yes I was in my teens, been to Afghanistan also. In the middle again now for my career . I know the intel lying about it WMD and what not . There’s also the bay of pigs , the golf of torongia(spelled it wrong I’m sure ). But that’s collaboration thinking, everyone situation is different . Like the gulf war , Korea war , us striking Syria, Kosovo ect . Every time it’s different if you want to think about it critically . People tend to think ventured paths, almost cinematic like .

Fair argument, but I've yet to see a just war in my lifetime, and given it's track record the ones beating the war drums are deemed liars until proven otherwise. This is a carbon copy of the Iraq War in my eyes. Afghanistan was a total disaster of a war, and they knew it was the whole entire time but were willing to risk your life to keep the machine rolling.

I also can't help notice the hypocrisy that Israel is stocked with nukes but won't admit it publicly and subject themselves to any oversight. If anyone is more likely to use them it's Israel, who is currently conducting a genocide within it's own territory.

 

[SKYNET]

I mean Tulsi Gabbard is the receipt, a Russian shill is the DNI.

Oh shit, I broke another one by asking questions

 

[Rational Poster]

Well kinda, British Palestine was invaded in 1948, the result was Israel.

The creation of Israel was the result of a UN decree actually.

 

[Rational Poster]

Oh shit, I broke another one by asking questions

I accept your concession. I know there's no defending Tulsi Gabbard's social media presence.

 

[Deorum]

every country on the planet has been invaded by some other country.
if that is the rationale, we should all have nukes.
vietnam has been invaded by america. should they have nukes? or iraq? should armenia get a nuke now since it got invaded by azerbaijan?

Can't help but get the feeling of the possibility that the sort of actions taking place will only serve to drive proliferation with every country in the world who has the financial means to do so looking to acquire or develop warheads with requisite compatible delivery systems for the sake of their own assured security and survival.

 

[Rational Poster]

Can't help but get the feeling and possibility that the sort of actions taking place will only serve to drive proliferation with every country in the world who has the financial means to do so looking to acquire or develop warheads with requisite compatible delivery systems for the sake of their own assured security and survival.

It seems pretty clear to me based on how Trump has treated our NATO allies and the situation in Ukraine he's not actually concerned with anti-proliferation.

 

[SKYNET]

Russia spent $300 million secretly interfering in foreign politics, U.S. says

Moscow has covertly funded political parties, officials and politicians in at least two dozen nations across four continents since 2014, according to a newly declassified intelligence review.

www.nbcnews.com

And then we have the Africa corps too

And so Israel spends less than Russia? by how much?

Can you provide some propaganda on that as well for a direct comparison?

 

[Deorum]

It seems pretty clear to me based on how Trump has treated our NATO allies and the situation in Ukraine he's not actually concerned with anti-proliferation.

100%!

 

[SKYNET]

I accept your concession.

 

[Rational Poster]

And so Israel spends less than Russia? by how much?

Can you provide some propaganda on that as well for a direct comparison?

I mean with a GDP of 1/4 of Russia, the means to outspend them doesn't even exist now does it?

 

[Rational Poster]

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I mean that's obviously reductive and simple way to interpret things, and really dishonest.

it's really not.
i accept SUBJECTIVE reasoning when it comes to conflict. country X thinks country Y is an enemy, for whatever reasons, and believes it is in its national interest to destroy or undermine said enemy. that is fine. you can't cover that pile of shit in gold plating and say there's high morality around your actions. you just did it for your self interest.

what i'm having a problem with is the idea that there's an OBJECTIVE reason country X is always right and country Y is always wrong and there's some moralistic higher function that permeates the entire existence of the two. the entire mental gymnastics around that is horrifyingly dishonest.

you can believe country X is right in doing what it's doing.
doesn't mean i have to, and that i can't see it for what it is, just power plays for self-interest. no morality story there.

there's ZERO objective reasons for why israel should have nukes and iran not.
there's only - "we don't like them having it and we're stronger."
that's it. nothing more.

 

[Rational Poster]

100%!

The first nations to get nuclear weapons post Trump will be our allies, not our enemies, because they don't trust us anymore and we can't use missiles to dissuade them like we can with Iran.

 

[SKYNET]

I asked for a source you are deflecting.

 

[Rational Poster]

it's really not.
i accept SUBJECTIVE reasoning when it comes to conflict. country X thinks country Y is an enemy, for whatever reasons, and believes it is in its national interest to destroy or undermine said enemy. that is fine. you can't cover that pile of shit in gold plating and say there's high morality around your actions. you just did it for your self interest.

what i'm having a problem with is the idea that there's an OBJECTIVE reason country X is always right and country Y is always wrong and there's some moralistic higher function that permeates the entire existence of the two. the entire mental gymnastics around that is horrifyingly dishonest.

you can believe country X is right in doing what it's doing.
doesn't mean i have to, and that i can't see it for what it is, just power plays for self-interest. no morality story there.

there's ZERO objective reasons for why israel should have nukes and iran not.
there's only - "we don't like them having it and we're stronger."
that's it. nothing more.

I mean, yeah, you're comparing border territory disputes with multiple wars of total annihilation on a state the size of New Jersey.

 

[PhitePhan]

Why does israel have nuclear weapons? answer that.

They are trying to steal a shit ton of land and resources from the natives- they need nukes to survive.

 

[Rational Poster]

I asked for a source you are deflecting.

I showed you some proof of the effect of Russian influence and you're closing your eyes to it.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Can't help but get the feeling of the possibility that the sort of actions taking place will only serve to drive proliferation with every country in the world who has the financial means to do so looking to acquire or develop warheads with requisite compatible delivery systems for the sake of their own assured security and survival.

obviously. they look at the north korea model. nobody's fucking with them. why? they have nukes.
i imagine in the next decades there will be more than 10 countries that will develop them. turkey, the saudis, iran will eventually do it, possibly indonesia.