International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

[Badr Hari]

Iraqis say they've heard cruise missiles on the road. Two screens tonight for me one for nba finals one for star wars in the middle east

 

[kflo]

I didn't even comment on the reasoning behind applying the sanctions, so how was I claiming there was "no reason" ???

I claimed their removal would be a red-line for Iran in order to follow through with the agreement.

Again, all you do is argue against strawmans, not what is actually said, but what you perceive to be what I'm "acting" like I'm saying, and then you want claim I'M the one that lacks credibility?

I'm tired of the shtick. It's been going on too long with you. You aren't willing to engage in serious debate, so you're being sent to the ignore realm. You want to argue against a Strawman? You got it. Don't expect any responses anymore. Yap away in that cornfield against an unresponsive object.

haha.

you said it was reasonable for them to ask for sanctions to be lifted. we exited the treaty and put sanctions on because of their actions. yet you think it's reasonable to just ask to go back to the way it was? that makes no sense.

and bye felicia.

 

[SandisLL]

It was even more refueling tankers than previously reported.



The number of tanker aircraft that took off from their home base overnight after the takeoff of the planes from New Jersey increased to 32.A significant number of the aircraft were sent to Moron Air Base in Spain, the rest to the UK, Germany, Italy and one to Estonia. Several aircraft were sent to the CENTCOM area of responsibility.In the context of the rather unusual air activity, there are suggestions that the planes were heading to Europe to take part in the Atlantic Trident 25 exercise, which is scheduled to involve 40 aircraft from the US, UK, French and Finnish air forces.The following two points may indicate the opposite version: the almost simultaneous take-off of such a significant number of tankers, which is not required for the exercises, and Spain as the final destination of the route.Spain is noteworthy because American strategic bombers flying to the Middle East usually fly across the Atlantic to the Mediterranean through the Strait of Gibraltar and on into the region. In this way, they remain in international airspace the entire way, without notifying European countries.We will not rush to make statements about plans to involve American strategic aviation in the Israeli operation or about joining tankers to refuel Israeli aviation, but the activity is interesting. Let us just add the news about the beginning of the movement of the USS Nimitz (CVN-68) carrier strike group from the ITR to the Middle East.

You don't send 30+ tankers to a NATO exercise with only 40 planes, they're clearly setting up for something big. Parking them in Spain points to preparation for a large strike on Iran with strategic bombers.

Refueling tanker in Estonia is for AWACS covering area from Norway/ Finland till south of eastern Poland....

If they will use tankers cos Iran, initially they from Spain will be relocated to south of Italy and Greece.
Before small peaceful special operation.

 

[Badr Hari]

@SandisLL how long can Iran stay alive 'fighting' with Israel 'alone' as it is now? And how much they can last if US gets involved in a bombing campaign? What is their potential against US military bases, they have a lot of them much closer than the distance to Israel right?

 

[Chules]

Bruce triggering people on Twitter

 

[Cajun]

There was no political will left from Iran or Europe to do so. Why would they agree to a international agreement that took years to get in place that the US fucked up for no reason at a stroke of pen? Not to mention providing domestic cover to the deal it in the first place took a huge amount of political capital from Democrats.

If its important then its dealt with imo. Iran is hard to predict but essentially there are always deals to be had. There was no attempt either.

This shitshow lies squarely at the feet of the Republicans, Trump and Bibi. Remember he was the one who sabotaged and lobbied for it in Congress and caused a rupture in foreign policy decor and tradition by doing so.

Israel will be Israel. Iran supports Hamas and all the nonsense that goes on.

It makes no sense. If you and I agree to A, B, C, and then you pull out of the deal because of X,Y,Z, that's just idiotic. Negotiate a separate agreement for those matters.

And again, Iran's proxies got decimated in Syria, as they are currently also getting beat down in Lebanon and Gaza. The US should take that win and move on, there's no point throwing out an entire nuclear deal for something that isn't much of a threat anymore.

More complex, more precise.

But again, this is all really academic, because if a bomb goes off, it's really not hard to figure out who it is out of the limited handful of nuclear powers in the world.

I'm not totally saying it was right. Because they never picked it back up. My point is there should have been renegotiations ensuing as soon as they pulled out. That lies on Trump and the administration. But it's not just proxies it's all the terrorist sponsorships. Iran has a horrific regime but you have to deal with them and not ignore them either. It's not that you can't figure out who fired off a nuclear weapon or detonated one. But it makes countries almost uncontrollable. And counting on a country not to do something drastic is a mistake. They're always has to be some caution just in case.

 

[b34stmode]

So are you for the US staying out of this conflict or for them joining it?

 

[Rygu]

Sounds like this spat is almost finished

 

[avenue94]

If its important then its dealt with imo. Iran is hard to predict but essentially there are always deals to be had. There was no attempt either.

What has Iran done in recent years that's hard to predict?

Israel will be Israel. Iran supports Hamas and all the nonsense that goes on.

Yes, as discussed extensively, every country has its proxies and nasty people they use to annoy and hamstring their adversaries. We do, Israel does, Iran does, the Soviet did, etc.

But it's not just proxies it's all the terrorist sponsorships. Iran has a horrific regime but you have to deal with them and not ignore them either.

Dealing with Irani means seeing them as what they are, a wannabe regional power with a despotic government that competes with Saudi Arabia and Israel. Seeing them as mustache twirling villains with illogical motivations doesn't help the US.

But it makes countries almost uncontrollable. And counting on a country not to do something drastic is a mistake. They're always has to be some caution just in case.

I agree with nukes, yes, the fewer that have them usually the better. But in this instance, it wouldn't make Iran uncontrollable(setting aside the faulty premise that you can control other countries), it would put them at nuclear parity (sort of) with Israel if they can guarantee a second strike (deterrence comes from that, not a first strike).

The bigger issue would be what Saudi Arabia does if Iran goes nuclear, but again, you can't stop a country form getting nukes if they want them. All you can do is manage the situation with deterrence and diplomacy, the US and Israel have utterly failed at the second part.

 

[Chules]

 

[GhostZ06]

I don’t pretend to know as much about military tech as @GhostZ06 maybe they’ve been recently supplied?

i wouldnt rule it out. The russian could be helping them or gave them something for giving them Shabhab-3s and access to those drones.

 

[44nutman]

The problem is Trump is 80 and Sundowning. He is surrounded by a bunch of pro Israel Hawks. Can’t wait for the no wars wing of MAGA capitulate when our troops get involved.
If Israel wants to attack Iran that’s their business but the US needs to stay the fuck out of it.

 

[SandisLL]

@SandisLL how long can Iran stay alive 'fighting' with Israel 'alone' as it is now? And how much they can last if US gets involved in a bombing campaign? What is their potential against US military bases, they have a lot of them much closer than the distance to Israel right?

I don't know how much and what models of missiles Iran does have.

Potential against bases?
For example motorbike drones they use in Ukraine might have 2000 km range or more IF a bit improved.
Dunno how much of them they does have.

Bombing campaign? Depends form bombs and so on.

Iran had started to prepare for bombing and shelling with missiles since Iran - Iraq war era. So obiviously tunnels, bunkers etc a lot.
Iraq then had used SCUD missiles and even asked USSR to sell them Temp missiles ( these Sadam didn't had get ) ....mainly to shell cities with them.
Sadam also dreamed to gain air superiority and bomb Iran cities with carpet bombing ...dreamed.

 

[b34stmode]

Absolutely disgusted with this administration if they join this war.

 

[joy2day]

You didn't even watch the video. She definitely propagandizes.

You could make a bigger case that the Muslim woman in that video is propagandizing; I've heard her say some super crazy things in a lot of those interviews. What IS fact is that the particular group of fundamentalists in Iran specifically see the destruction of Israel as an objective, and that groups like Hezbollah and Hamas are their proxies. That's pretty much not in dispute. Other wings of that religious faction elsewhere don't necessarily see it that way, but those in Iran do.

The Iranian faction sees the destruction of Israel as essential to fulfill Mahdist prophecy and accelerate the return of the 12th Imam.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Well somebody has to get at Fordow
Isrealis don’t have the bombs required

We’ll go in well after Iran is fully tenderized

 

[b34stmode]

Sounds like this spat is almost finished

How is this "spat" almost finished? Iran just bombed Israel for the 5th time, and everything is now pointing to the US joining in to bomb Iran. If that happens, the chances this can turn into WW3 explode.

Also how does Israel and the US bombing Iran nonstop help with regime change? What do you think Iranians are going to think of Israel and the US moving forward?

 

[Jacket time]

This lady, Elica le Bon, is a professional Israel shill that constantly goes on Piers Morgan and gets owned. She's a propagandist.

good stuff, Dave is getting shit on for being a non-interventionist
If Ron Paul didn't plant the seed in 2007 - Trump would have never happened

we are seeing that now.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

How is this "spat" almost finished? Iran just bombed Israel for the 5th time, and everything is now pointing to the US joining in to bomb Iran. If that happens, the chances this can turn into WW3 explode.

Also how does Israel and the US bombing Iran nonstop help with regime change? What do you think Iranians are going to think of Israel and the US moving forward?

You really shouldn’t say such woke gay things like this, daisy

We are going to be ok I assure you

 

[BluntForceTrama]

How is this "spat" almost finished? Iran just bombed Israel for the 5th time, and everything is now pointing to the US joining in to bomb Iran. If that happens, the chances this can turn into WW3 explode.

Also how does Israel and the US bombing Iran nonstop help with regime change? What do you think Iranians are going to think of Israel and the US moving forward?

Seriously this is so damn comical
What alternate universe are you living in?

Iran is shot
Russia is shot
China doesn’t really give a shit


So what?