International Israel attacks Qatar

[kflo]

lol ok bud

does it look like an idf military drone strike to you?

 

[avenue94]

Bombed to bits is hyperbolic but my general point was when you bomb a country, leave it saddled with debt and territorial concessions. You set fertile ground for future resentment. Do you think the Germans just randomly woke up and became Nazis? Prior and even during WW1, Jews were treated better in Germany than Russia/Soviet Union.

I never claimed that the allies forced Hitler to be what he was. I just made the general argument that bombing people and treating them like shit tends to prime radical idealogies more so than not. There is obviously fluctuation and what not. We bombed Korea and Indochina pretty bad. They have yet to reach the wretchedness of Nazi Germany.

The argument that Versailles was too hard is an important one to remember, but it's also patently not true. The issue with Germany was more complicated, thee peace they got was quite mild.

 

[Koya]

Strikes in Qatar: How Israel is pulverizing prospects for Gaza negotiations​

By targeting Hamas officials in a Doha building, 23 months after October 7, 2023, Benjamin Netanyahu signals that continuing the war remains Israel's only strategy.

Ongoing negotiations for a ceasefire in Gaza were shattered on Tuesday, September 9, by an Israeli airstrike that hit a building in Doha, Qatar's capital, where leaders of the Palestinian group Hamas were meeting. Twenty-three months after October 7, 2023, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reaffirmed that prolonging the war remains Israel's only line, one that now extends to targeting Hamas leaders in Doha after decimating the movement in Gaza and killing its leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran in July 2024, as well as striking Beirut and Hezbollah, Damascus and the Syrian regime, Iran and the mullahs' regime, Sanaa and the Houthi rebels, while simultaneously escalating the air and ground battle for the total occupation of Gaza City inside the Palestinian enclave.

The immediate gains for Israel from this latest military escalation appeared limited. Six people were reportedly killed in the strike, including bodyguards and mid-level officials. The top leaders of the organization responsible for the October 7 attack, however, were believed to have survived. Khalil al-Hayya, in particular, one of the last senior leaders still alive, was apparently not killed: Neither Israel, nor Qatar, nor Hamas has announced his death. "We confirm the enemy's failure to assassinate our brothers in the negotiating delegation," a Hamas statement said, adding that "Targeting the negotiating delegation, as they discussed [US] President [Donald] Trump's proposal for a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, confirms beyond doubt that Netanyahu and his government do not want to reach any agreement and are deliberately seeking to thwart all opportunities and thwart international efforts."

By striking on Qatari soil, Israel hit both the capital of a key mediator and the top negotiators of Hamas in one blow. One strike, two diplomatic shocks. With it, any prospect of a ceasefire has been pushed back, at least in the short term.

At the end of August, the Israeli army chief of the General Staff publicly threatened to eliminate the remaining Hamas leaders, saying, "Most of Hamas's leadership is abroad, and we will reach them as well," according to Lieutenant General Eyal Zamir. The Israeli army had just eliminated the Houthi rebels' prime minister, Ahmed Al-Rahawi, in Sanaa on August 28 and Abu Obeida, a spokesperson for the group in Gaza, on August 30. These killings followed the deaths of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah in September 2024 and Iranian Chief of General Staff Mohammad Bagheri on June 13.

Despite the warning, Hamas negotiators met at their official headquarters in Doha, likely believing themselves to be protected under the Qatari umbrella – a key US ally in the region. They were set to review the latest ceasefire proposal, which was put forward by Washington a few days earlier in exchange for the immediate release of all hostages. "We are in very deep negotiation with Hamas," Trump said on September 5. A few weeks earlier, the remaining members of the Palestinian movement's political and military leadership had accepted another temporary truce proposal brokered by Qatar and Egypt. However, Netanyahu never responded to it nor officially submitted it to his government for review.

Negotiating on terms more favorable to Israel​

The goal of total destruction of Hamas has been repeatedly emphasized by Israeli leaders. "There was a time when Jews could be murdered with impunity. But since the founding of the State of Israel, those days are over," said Netanyahu as he attended a ceremony at the United States embassy, just hours after overseeing the strike.
"It's a historic decision, which was taken by the Israeli government immediately after the 7th of October : The organization will no longer exist. Even if it will take 10 years, we will eliminate it. Even if we have to do it in places that in the past we didn't act, as in Doha. This organization will not exist. Not in Gaza, not in the West Bank, not in the Middle East. We will kill them all," Yaakov Amidror, former major general and head of the National Security Council and one of the former military officials Netanyahu listens to, told Le Monde.

The Israeli prime minister argued that eliminating leaders was intended to push Hamas to negotiate on different, more favorable terms for Israel. "Don't be derailed by these killers. Stand up for your rights and for your future. Make peace with us. Accept President Trump's proposal," he said Tuesday night, addressing the residents of Gaza directly.
Some within the military establishment suggested that eliminating Hamas officials in Qatar might have shifted power to the remaining leaders in Gaza, who are subject to greater Israeli military pressure. "Based on our very long experience that we have, when you eliminate those leaders – even if you fail to eliminate – at first they announce they will do something terrible in retaliation. But, in fact, they become more flexible and more moderate," said Giora Eiland, a retired general and proponent of the Israeli strike in Doha. He has supported a hardline approach to Gaza since October 7. However, this position failed to convince the families of hostages, who are more anxious than ever about the fate of the approximately 20 Israelis abducted on October 7, 2023, who are presumed to still be alive.

Israel increasingly isolated​

Such a strike would have significant diplomatic consequences for Israel, which has become increasingly isolated on the international stage. "There is no doubt that this offensive will affect relations between Israel and Qatar, both during and after the war, and regarding the emirate's role in Gaza. The same goes for relations with the Gulf States. And with Egypt. And with Jordan," said Michael Milshtein, director of the Forum for Palestinian Studies at the Moshe Dayan Center at Tel Aviv University.

As expected, Qatar condemned the violation of its sovereignty, criticized the military escalation, and denounced Israel's sabotage of negotiations. Nevertheless, Qatar announced that it would continue its mediation efforts. Most Arab states and Gulf countries strongly condemned the strike in Doha.

Meanwhile, Trump said he felt "very badly" in a message on his social network, Truth Social, adding that the strike "does not advance Israel or America's goals." The American president also wrote that he had not been warned of the operation – or at least not in time to prevent it or to alert Qatar beforehand. "Such a thing will not happen again on their soil," he wrote, addressing Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani, the prime minister of Qatar, which hosts one of the largest American military bases in the region.

Trump left the initiative to Israel​

Could the unilateral attack in Doha influence Trump's stance on his ally, Israel, after a key partner, Qatar, was targeted? The attack signaled a new chapter in the turbulent relationship between Trump and Netanyahu. In January, the American president had secured a temporary ceasefire, leading to the release of 28 hostages. However, the Israeli prime minister broke the ceasefire unilaterally in March. In June, Netanyahu drew Trump into the war against Iran by ordering B-2 bombers to strike nuclear facilities. Trump then abruptly ordered the Israelis to call back the planes poised to bomb Tehran again, despite an ongoing ceasefire.

This "12-day war" shattered the taboo of launching a large-scale offensive against Iran's mullah's regime, but its actual impact on the country's nuclear program is still being debated. Trump had repeatedly praised Netanyahu's wartime leadership. The American president then left the initiative to Israel, notably approving the government's plan, decided in early August, to occupy the entire Palestinian enclave, starting with Gaza City.

Since then, Israel has mobilized 60,000 reservists, laid siege to a city of one million, and launched airstrikes on its tallest buildings. Israel has also ordered the forced displacement of nearly one million residents. Every day has ended with dozens of Palestinian deaths caused by Israeli bombs and bullets or starvation resulting from the partial blockade of the enclave until late July. The death toll in Gaza has now exceeded 64,000 since Israel began retaliating.

 

[IanEdwards]

Bombed to bits is hyperbolic but my general point was when you bomb a country, leave it saddled with debt and territorial concessions. You set fertile ground for future resentment. Do you think the Germans just randomly woke up and became Nazis? Prior and even during WW1, Jews were treated better in Germany than Russia/Soviet Union.

I never claimed that the allies forced Hitler to be what he was. I just made the general argument that bombing people and treating them like shit tends to prime radical idealogies more so than not. There is obviously fluctuation and what not. We bombed Korea and Indochina pretty bad. They have yet to reach the wretchedness of Nazi Germany.

Ok dude, and sorry for the tone I do get pedantic over things like that

I typed a longish reply on my phone which then lost it

The gist was, emphasis on reparations etc bleeds into Nazi apologism
And there are many very key reasons behind both the rise of the Nazis, and their subsequent actions, entirely unrelated to the aftermath of ww1.

I’ll redo it tomorrow from a pc

Minor interesting fact: Prussian reparations on France after the 1870 war were far more harsh than those in Germany for WW1, IIRC and the war debt was never remotely paid.

 

[SandisLL]

Ok dude, and sorry for the tone I do get pedantic over things like that

I typed a longish reply on my phone which then lost it

The gist was, emphasis on reparations etc bleeds into Nazi apologism
And there are many very key reasons behind both the rise of the Nazis, and their subsequent actions, entirely unrelated to the aftermath of ww1.

I’ll redo it tomorrow from a pc

Minor interesting fact: Prussian reparations on France after the 1870 war were far more harsh than those in Germany for WW1, IIRC and the war debt was never remotely paid.

Prussians and Germans before !Hitler had fought for emperors, not for some nazis. Also they had almost ignored jews btw.

However russian bottlemates anglo saxonians always had $£ as their God and history version.


Vinners are not judged, they are writing history to be Chinatown and Cope with pride.

 

[DoctorTaco]

does it look like an idf military drone strike to you?

It looks like a ship being fired upon. The people who were there are saying they saw a drone.

considering the variety of payloads a drone can be equipped with, I’m inclined to believe it. I can’t imagine a scenario where the IDF wants to send a message while realizing that blowing up civilian ships trying to get food into Gaza could be too far in terms of public appearance and reaction.

 

[kflo]

It looks like a ship being fired upon. The people who were there are saying they saw a drone.

considering the variety of payloads a drone can be equipped with, I’m inclined to believe it. I can’t imagine a scenario where the IDF wants to send a message while realizing that blowing up civilian ships trying to get food into Gaza could be too far in terms of public appearance and reaction.

The entire operation is a photo op. It’s not to feed Gaza.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

so you are rooting for those people to get murdered by terrorists? or their nations to be overthrown?

Just stated facts, just like in Ukraine all these violence will eventual move to the west.
Its not a threat, its just what happens will people choice violence.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

- By his logic, since US is a rogue state comiting crimes around the globe, US citzens should be targets.

That is what he was saying, unless you believe one rule for some another rule for others.

 

[UberHere]

Lack of empathy is the primary personality characteristic of MAGAs and Psychopaths.

Hey pot, it’s kettle. You’re black.

 

[UberHere]

You're all over the Charlotte rail stabbing thread laughing about a white girl being slaughtered. Seek therapy.

Got banned last July for the same thing. A true piece of trash and hypocrite to boot.

 

[TheMoa]

does it look like an idf military drone strike to you?

of the incendiary type, yes

 

[TheMoa]

The entire operation is a photo op. It’s not to feed Gaza.

I do agree that their goal isnt to feed gaza, their goal is to make Israel stop them in a violent manner and force their governments to do something beyond "strong statements".. and given what Israel have been doing, it's probably what will happen.

 

[DoctorTaco]

The entire operation is a photo op. It’s not to feed Gaza.

Yet they’re laden down with food and aid.

 

[tastaylvr]

It seems like they give zero fucks about trumps opinion anymore yet he does nothing

 

[Phlog]

I haven’t seen any confirmation of this yet but we likely were complicit in that we were given a warning Israel was coming and we didn’t alert Qatar. We have 10k troops there and most importantly, we have an anti-air defense battalion there at all times that Qatar contracts the US for to protect them. This has been going on for long than I know, but at least 15 years now. It’s actually kind of how we maintained funding for our air defense units during the war on terror when we didn’t need them.

So yeah, this is a huge deal. I am fairly confident that we knew they were coming. Otherwise our air defense would have picked them up and engaged them because they wouldn’t know who the hell it was invading their airspace.

This is potentially a disaster that Israel has put us in. Qatar is a rare friend in the ME to us that can broker deals with less friendly actors in the region. They also pay us to be there and give us land to have strategically placed bases on. Honestly fuck Netanyahu for this.

I've seen confirmation that USA was told when planes were already airborne, so the US in Qatar knew not to shoot em down, the US told Qatar of the attacks 10min after they occured.

Yeah it looks bad for the US, I think the UN assembly moving to Geneva sept 22 (misinformation rumour, edited this in once I found out) is the beginning of Chinese troops peacekeeping in Gaza. Israel is throwing caution to the wind and burning bridges.

 

[AbominableJoman]

Israel is just defending itself. Quit being so antisemitic.

Well said

 

[Yehudim]

I've seen confirmation that USA was told when planes were already airborne, so the US in Qatar knew not to shoot em down, the US told Qatar of the attacks 10min after they occured.

Yeah it looks bad for the US, I think the UN assembly moving to Geneva sept 22 is the beginning of Chinese troops peacekeeping in Gaza. Israel is throwing caution to the wind and burning bridges.

Pretty smart actually and a better explanation than what some people have said, that this was unanimously approved by the US, Qatar, and Israel which is ridiculous.

 

[Phlog]

Pretty smart actually and a better explanation than what some people have said, that this was unanimously approved by the US, Qatar, and Israel which is ridiculous.

So the sept 22 un assembly move to Geneva is misinformation, apparently likely from Iran or Russia via Max Blumenthal. But the data re the Qatar strike is solid.

There is increasing pressure to stop Israel in Gaza internationally and there is already precedent for the vote and move back with Yassar Arafat pre 2000. So I thinky rational is broadly accurate.

 

[Son of Jamin]

So some terrorists were targeted?

The bigger question is, why is Qatar harboring terrorists in the first place?