Islam Makhachev better than Khabib?

[HHJ]

Wow, how disrespectful of Makhachev. You know fighter bashing is against the forum rules, right?

 

[Ares Black]

The only real question is which one of us is trolling harder.

 

[Queenofchaos]

Holy shit look at what the cat dragged in. I wonder what other account youve been on this whole time? Did Aldogoat get banned??

I don't have any other accounts
And I am online everyday

Keep quiet

 

[The Bloody Nine]

I don't think he's trolling lol I'm legit interested to hear who he is talking about when he said he didn't fight the best of his division (besides Tony).

He's always trolling.

 

[SuperAlly]

Islam might have better striking

But khabib would probably rag doll him in a fight

 

[Pechan]

Nope, Khabib was much more dominant vs the elite of the division.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

Thats why he was so confident Islam could get it, cos he's like 3 islams put together and knew he would easily beat Olives.

Wow, how disrespectful of Makhachev. You know fighter bashing is against the forum rules, right?

hmmmmm

I was doubtful. Three? That's a lot, I thought.

But I viewed @ HHJ's thread and poll, from his posted link just before these ^

And Khabib had three times as many votes.

So the math works out.

 

[Bork Neslar]

Yeah he's a better, more well rounded fighter. It doesn't matter if some fat autistic shertards think that he "sucks" compared to Khabib because he doesn't have an undefeated record. MMA records don't tell the whole story, and anyone can get caught.

 

[IloveTHIS]

No.

 

[Jin Akutsu]

Who did Khabib beat that Makhachev couldn't?

I know Khabib would beat the tar out of Martins.

 

[Ares Black]

I know Khabib would beat the tar out of Martins.

Unless he got knocked out. His striking was atrocious for most of his career.

 

[Jin Akutsu]

Unless he got knocked out. His striking was atrocious for most of his career.

And yet has never been as hurt as Islam on the feet. In terms of limiting damage Khabib > Islam striking.

 

[Ares Black]

And yet has never been as hurt as Islam on the feet. In terms of limiting damage Khabib > Islam striking.

That seems like a bit of a stretch but I'll allow it.

I will admit that Khabib would and should be a favourite against probably every other LW in history.

But there is a big difference between being the favourite to win a fight and actually winning the fight.

There is also a huge difference between early UFC career Khabib and prime Khabib. His striking was actually good and his grappling is some of the best ever.

But early Khabib was always in danger of being hurt when he was standing. He managed to win every fight(against mostly outmatched opponents), but he could easily have run right into a counter and we would not be having this conversation.

 

[GrantB13]

More well rounded but Khabib was the best at what he did and was never in danger in any fight.

 

[Jin Akutsu]

That seems like a bit of a stretch but I'll allow it.

I will admit that Khabib would and should be a favourite against probably every other LW in history.

But there is a big difference between being the favourite to win a fight and actually winning the fight.

There is also a huge difference between early UFC career Khabib and prime Khabib. His striking was actually good and his grappling is some of the best ever.

But early Khabib was always in danger of being hurt when he was standing. He managed to win every fight(against mostly outmatched opponents), but he could easily have run right into a counter and we would not be having this conversation.

I get the point you're trying to make in this thread. Islam's breadth of skill and his comfort in the striking realm is definitely more technical than Khabib's ever was, or ever could be.

I think in general though, Khabib was more effective and efficient with his style, even though it is definitely rougher, more basic, and far from being appealing to watch or look at compared to someone like Islam, or most modern UFC LWs these days.

So while Khabib's skillset was nowhere near as rounded, and varied as Islam's, that gap is made up for with Khabib's grappling ability, durability, tenacity, and the threat of his elite wrestling which made the striking exchanges more safe for Khabib compared to Islam.

Hence, I would say Khabib should be favored over any LW, and has absorbed less damage than Islam because of his innate traits. Khabib has never been in danger, Islam has been finished once and hurt in a few different fights.

 

[Chillez]

Khabib just mauled everyone and never lost. I would say Islam is more well rounded fighter between the two but Khabib is the better overall fighter I would pick prime Khabib over Islam.

 

[Iroh]

You should be, but unironically

No serious person should worship Khabib. He had a good career, not a great one.

Even if he had the best career possible, no one should worship any person.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

I feel bad for Islam because no matter what he does, he will never get out of Khabib’s shadow. He’s a cool guy and an entertaining fighter who is closing in on Khabib’s legacy already (it wasn’t that great).

 

[Luffy]

Based on some comments, it seems many are more in awe at Khabib's dominance in his fights and that nostalgia unbeatable Khabib effect than trying to think technically.

Khabib had many and many fights against guys who weren't near the level recent ones Islam fought. Sure, Khabib had dominant performances vs Conor, Dustin, Gaethje who are still the high tier ones currently. Still tho, we can't simply do A beat B with no diff so settled, otherwise I could say that since Charles defeated Gaethje and Dustin, then Islam easily defeating Charles makes him more impressive...

Islam had a hard time with Dustin, harder time than Khabib did and a harder time than against Charles who beat Dustin, which is why we can't compare by how amazed we felt by the dominance of the fighter. It's well known as well that the longest the wrestling, the elite sambo gets too dominant, specialists that coaches fighters will come with ways to avoid the wrestling by technical analysis with more and more info being laid out, preparing the fighters for very solid take down defenses... which may be the reason you all got the perhaps false impression that Khabib has better grappling.

Jon Jones could earlier take most his opponents to the ground. It was becoming increasingly more difficult. He ragdolled a wrestler Chael Sonnen. Alex Gustaffson could employ a very effective takedown defense. The knowledge in training gyms to nullify certain aspects that's making fights one sided grows each time and a style is overanalyzed to be countered...

Iirc as ppl are saying Islam admitted Khabib as better and all, didn't Khabib say his father knew him and Islam were special but that Islam was someone that stood out even more? May be wrong but I was sure to have read it.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

I think there was, still there is, for the while at least, a bigger mystic on Khabib, and his fight vs Connor, even tho Connor acted like a total clown, elevated him to a huge status, as well as his charisma, not thorough trash talking, but he had a way with words.

Islam Makhachev is more reserved and all... but he seems overall better than Khabib. Both have elite wrestling and ground control, but Islam is visibly a better stand up fighter who can rely on striking vs strikers amd make it competitive or give him an edge most times. It seems he doesn't need to get the takedown as much as Khabib did. He seems like a total complete fighter.

He seems weaker than him