Social Is "Woke" going too far?

Those countries are racist as fuck have you ever been to any of them ?

Be less racist would my advice to you and them.
lol.

You are the type of woke i despise.

You deny human nature while speaking to ideals.

Do i agree no person should ever care if they see their race, sex, ethnicity, etc representing in media and they should be 'above it' in a very woke way. yes i agree with that.

Is that reality? No.

Humans being at our core are tribal, will always have some bias (some subconscious and some conscious) for this bias.

I know it and accept it. The woke left denies it and speaks to an ideal world that does not exist and then lectures others to accept that world view that does not exist.
 
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lol.

You are the type of woke i despise.

You deny human nature while speaking to ideals.

Do i agree no person should ever care if they see their race, sex, ethnicity, etc representing in media and they should be 'above it' in a very woke way. yes i agree with that.

Is that reality? No.

Humans being at our core tribal, will always have some bias (some subconscious and some conscious) for this bias.

I know it and accept it. The woke left denies it and speaks to an ideal world that does not exist and then lectures others to accept that world view that does not exist.
you would be the first person thats called me woke lol

it is not human nature to be racist, fear of the unknown is human nature

some cultures are inherently racist because of history and demographic some embrace and encourage it and think of the western anti racist view as stupid or weak. That does not mean it is human nature to be racist. If you took anyone from these cultures and instead raised them in an opposing culture they would not have ideals from their birth culture.
 
you would be the first person thats called me woke lol

it is not human nature to be racist, fear of the unknown is human nature

some cultures are inherently racist because of history and demographic some embrace and encourage it and think of the western anti racist view as stupid or weak. That does not mean it is human nature to be racist. If you took anyone from these cultures and instead raised them in an opposing culture they would not have ideals from their birth culture.
But you are being woke whether you realize it or not.

What you say is true if we are speaking about how the world SHOULD be....

...but to hear 'Koreans like films with Koreans', 'Chinese like film with Chinese', 'Indians like films with Indians', and to scream at them they are all racist for that NATURAL human preference because you believe all humans should be above such preferences is WOKE to the extreme.

it is based on denying actual human nature for an ideal (a good one) that is not reality and then lecturing them on how they are wrong and racist for basic human nature.

You confuse the 'ideal' with 'reality' which is the core of where WOKE ANGER flows from. Always lecturing people on how things SHOULD be while ignoring how it is.
 
Hollywood is not adding Chinese actors and chinese content to their films in increase amounts because they are racist. It is is because they are pandering to what they recognize as a growing audience (China) who they know will value and buy it more.

You can scream all you want 'that should never matter to Hollywood or to Chinese' and they are 'all racist' for doing it. But it is simply Business 101 recognizing human nature. And you hating that aspect of human nature exists and screaming for everyone to be better does not change it.
 
But you are being woke whether you realize it or not.

What you say is true if we are speaking about how the world SHOULD be....

...but to hear 'Koreans like films with Koreans', 'Chinese like film with Chinese', 'Indians like films with Indians', and to scream at them they are all racist for that NATURAL human preference because you believe all humans should be above such preferences is WOKE to the extreme.

it is based on denying actual human nature for an ideal (a good one) that is not reality and then lecturing them on how they are wrong and racist for basic human nature.

You confuse the 'ideal' with 'reality' which is the core of where WOKE ANGER flows from. Always lecturing people on how things SHOULD be while ignoring how it is.
I'm not angry or judgemental about any of these people, nor am I saying how they should be. they come from a society that has been racist for thousands of years, I am not going to condemn someone because I think I am morally superior when in reality we are both products of our environment. They are racist, does that make them inherintely evil ? I don't think so. The important thing is be firm in your own beliefs and pass them onto to future generation. Call it like you see it, don't make excuses for anyone especially not yourself and I think you will see much more progress than any woke agenda has accomplished.

To me woke just means blind allegiance to a left wing ideology, it does't mean you are more aware of anything.
 
I'm not angry or judgemental about any of these people, nor am I saying how they should be. they come from a society that has been racist for thousands of years, I am not going to condemn someone because I think I am morally superior when in reality we are both products of our environment. They are racist, does that make them inherintely evil ? I don't think so. The important thing is be firm in your own beliefs and pass them onto to future generation. Call it like you see it, don't make excuses for anyone especially not yourself and I think you will see much more progress than any woke agenda has accomplished.

To me woke just means blind allegiance to a left wing ideology, it does't mean you are more aware of anything.
it is that you cannot accept that is not 'racist' for Indians, Chinese, Koreans, Whites, to have natural bias and that it leads you to label them so harshly, that makes you woke.


if you were on a woke university campus and it was an old italian speaking about how they just prefer Italian cinema or an Indian saying the same about bollywood, both you and most woke students would agree to citing them all as racist , etc while making zero room for it just being normal human nature and not this negative thing you need to believe it to be.

If i say to you right now, if you are making a sitcom targeted at Italians living in America and all other things being equal, you make sure you cast a few upcoming italian comedians in to parts, i guarantee you, you read that and get enraged believing it should NEVER matter or make a difference to italians who are targeted to watch. That equally skilled 'indians', 'chinese', etc in those roles should make no difference to italian viewership.

That rage you feel is woke rage. A rage you feel based on denial of how the world IS and instead of how you believe it should be.

It is not racism, as your lashing our replies have pushed, that sees more Indians, Chinese, Koreans, in their media, even if they could cast others. It is natural human preference.
 
Woke means an awakening to how things SHOULD be based on purity tests applied to things on the way you believe they should be.


So if you think any consideration whatsoever of ethnicity, race, gender is wrong as we should all be better than that and aspire to be blind to that, then you woke scold others when you see any application of those things in society.
 
I don't want woke shit either.

I also do not want to eat certain foods.

But what i DO NOT DO, is cry about the owners deciding what they want to serve up when they own the content.

"WAAA WAAA why is Bollywood catering to mostly Indian audiences and not also to just primarily white men in America. WAAAAAA"

Your tears are delicious.
This post makes no sense

You are ridiculous <lmao>
 
"...Waaaaa Bollywood should not cast mostly Indian characters and do content mostly catered to that audience because if they were not dumb they would realize none of that matters...waaaa"


oh wait. You are the dumb one as almost 200 years of film, tv and music tells us certain groups PREFER certain elements and can be pandered and catered to, in order to get them to buy more even if you have a woke view of the world that tells you otherwise.

Fact is you will sell more country music in the South per capita than in the 'hood', and you will sell more rap in the hood than in the south.
What's with the random bollywood fascination

Reminds me, RRR (which isn't strictly speaking Bollywood, but Indian) is a fantastic movie

You've jumped the shark on this thread
 
Well, that's the worst meltdown by a chosen one since the star wars prequels

Well done buddy

We're off to find Ewan McGregor to talk you down off the ledge
 
Hey kids, remember The Shield?

It had a strong black female detective played by CCH Pounder, and no one ever tried to degrade it by calling it woke in a negative sense.
 
Hollywood is not adding Chinese actors and chinese content to their films in increase amounts because they are racist. It is is because they are pandering to what they recognize as a growing audience (China) who they know will value and buy it more.

You can scream all you want 'that should never matter to Hollywood or to Chinese' and they are 'all racist' for doing it. But it is simply Business 101 recognizing human nature. And you hating that aspect of human nature exists and screaming for everyone to be better does not change it.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT THEATER COMPANIES ARE PANDERING TO AUDIENCES?!?!?!??!

I'm sorry wtf does that have to do with racism?
 
This post makes no sense

You are ridiculous <lmao>
You forgot two words there.

It makes no sense... too you.

A lot of things make no sense to daft people who cannot follow logic.

What's with the random bollywood fascination

Reminds me, RRR (which isn't strictly speaking Bollywood, but Indian) is a fantastic movie

You've jumped the shark on this thread
^^See.

What Bollywood, Korean film,, Chinese film demonstrate to those who cannot see it in Hollywood, is that producers of content PANDER to the audience they see buying their material.

They VERY DELIBERATELY hire actors, with the faces they know will more generally appeal to their buying audiences.

This is not new and has happened in Hollywood for over 100 years with the main audience being pandered to being the white male as the one with disposable income.

As that face of buying audience now changes and includes more blacks, browns, asians, women, you see Hollywood ALSO try to pander to them.

White males, primarily then scream and cry NO FAIR ONLY PANDER TO ME, as they demand it not change. They act as if this pandering is unique and call it woke when in FACT it is NOTHING but business as usual.

Creators of content have ALWAYS tried to pander to the audience they see and feel most likely to buy.
 
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT THEATER COMPANIES ARE PANDERING TO AUDIENCES?!?!?!??!

I'm sorry wtf does that have to do with racism?
Read the post above.

What is being called racism is 'pandering to audiences by seeing who is in the audience and then adding representations of those groups to the cast'.

So the poster above says if the director sees more chinese or blacks or Indians interested in his content and he makes decisions based on race to hire more blacks, indians, chinese for roles, ... that poster says it is racism.

That is, of course, stupid.
 
Hey kids, remember The Shield?

It had a strong black female detective played by CCH Pounder, and no one ever tried to degrade it by calling it woke in a negative sense.
A more recent show….. squid games, one of the most prominent characters is a tranny trying to get funds to complete the surgery, and among the most likable characters . That character is about as woke as you can get in terms of identity, however the show holds true to its ideals, and i don’t see much outrage. The inclusion of that person was likely politically motivated no less.
 
I say this with all due respect but why should anyone GAF that you do not want the content owners to refresh their material every 10, 20 or 50 years for newer generations because 'you liked it as it was'.

It is absolutely nothing new for the face of spiderman or Batman, etc or whoever the owners of the art want, to get an update and new look in the hopes of reselling the same material to a newer and younger audience.

i did not care about the last Alien movie. It was 'alright' but basically just a doOver of the first movie. But the target audience, young people who did not see the original theatrical release of Alien loved it.

I did not love the Angelica Jolie, SALT movie. It was just alright. But my ex wife loved it saying it was one of the first big action female roles, like that she had seen.

I find the biggest complainers on these things are white males, who have had 99.9% of all prior material made and directed at them and who now cry when anything is remade for any one else. Seriously GTF over it and thinking the world should forever revolve around you.

Try casting Black Panther or Blade with a white actor and get back to me… lol
 
Try casting Black Panther or Blade with a white actor and get back to me… lol
RAISE...

Let me one up and take this out of the realm of fantasy and fiction and into REAL LIFE where white people have been, for decades, substituted in to play PoC who have played significant roles in history.

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If 30 years from now, after Harry Potter has rehashed the same material 25 times over to squeeze every last penny out of it, and the kids or grandkids are now the rights owners and they see an opportunity to relaunch the franchise with a Chinese or black Harry Potter, to sell it all over again to a newer audience, i won't cry like you guys do.

I know people like you will squeal 'but James Bond is not blonde and he is not a real brit', for the Craig casting but you need to get over it. Or don't.

These tears of 'it MUST stay the same forever as the way it was when i grew up...even though i am not the owner... and can simply watch the original' are frikkin hilarious.

If you do not like the newer version and who the newer audience they are pandering too do not watch it. Watch the old one you like. Or keep crying 'NO ONLY PANDER TO ME... ME.... ME... ME', and let us continue to laugh at your tears.
 
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