Is Umar Nurmagomedov regressing?

[xhaydenx]

My guy, you may be accustomed to spouting bullshit to other bullshitters.....but after getting knocked down in the first, Umar was brutalizing Bezkat with elbows. Round 1 and 2 he put in work and in the third he went for a legit finish. Plenty of Umar fights to better frame your argument but you were too lazy to bother.

Bezkat is low level. If he was brutalizing him and going after it he would have done a lot more damage and gotten a lot closer to a decision. He did not.

And yeh, there's other fights, like the Maness one. I just used the Bezkat one because it was more recent.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

His hairline certainly is

 

[fortheo]

I think he's competing with other equally deserving fighters on the very same card for a potential title fight with yan

a lot of people went into this thinking that either omalley/yan or Umar/figgy could be justified for the next shot depending on who looked better.

Also the new 25k finish bonus is incentive lol

 

[RockyLockridge]

Also tge new 25k finish for any finish bonus is incentive lol

not to mention 100k performance of the night, one of which went to that first HW bum fight

but something tells me khabib just finances everything. Umar is probably not money hungry

 

[mooseman17]

I don’t think he’s regressed he’s just super risk averse and takes what’s given to him during the fight. He treats fights like a sport where a win is a win and not sports entertainment.

It’s like Waldo before KOing Lewis would have been more than happy to jab and kick him from the outside en route for a 30-27, same as Izzy in many of his fights.

 

[mooseman17]

not to mention 100k performance of the night, one of which went to that first HW bum fight

but something tells me khabib just finances everything. Umar is probably not money hungry

Nobody in that camp gives two shits about any new bonus, they’ve been getting financed by very rich men for years. It would basically be “beer” money.

 

[hbombbisping]

Figgy is a dangerous ex champion. He did absolutely nothing to Umar and got completely dominated

The better question is has Umar regressed his way into Nurmagomedov title for the GOAT fighter and coach in MMA.

 

[HuskySamoan]

He needs to stop fighting 38-year olds and face someone who will beat him if he's too complacent.

His style is really...really tough for non elite fighters. His footwork is great, he likes to circle away, potshot punches and slap kicks to score points and force his opponents to commit and give openings. When they do, he usually looks to evade even more, occasional counter or score a takedown. A lot of guys do not have good takedown defense and are not at all confident pursuing. His defense is sound, hes hard to find and frustrating, if you can find him he like Khabib, Islam and Usman tend to all get flustered but then rely on their takedowns. If you cant stop the takedown, you kinda just become reactionary and shut down, at least most of their opponents do. I wanted to see Umar vs Vinicius, the length, speed and aggression standing would be hard for him but hed probably just grind out rounds with takedowns anyways, Brazilians cant wrestle unless they slip in nuclear waste and gain the super power like Aldo and Tibau.

 

[AMAZINGUFC]

Just curious about what everyone thought about Umars fight at 324 against Figgy.

Since his incredible fight with merab, I think that a lot of people have had very high hopes for Umar, Citing He'd be a future champion. I was inclined to agree.

Since that fight he has fought twice. If you ask me, He looked worse against bautista than he did against Merab. He won, and he looked good, But he was incredibly gassed giving his post fight speech. I thought he might have been sick or something, I didn't think too much of it.

then for one reason or another, It seemed he got a step down with the Figgy match up and I really was not impressed at all, I think most agree that he wasn't going to earn a title shot with that performance, and if he showed up like that to merab or yan he'd probably get smoked.

what happened? He showed great promise. but seems to look worse over his last 2 fights. Does he just fight to the level of his competition and sandbag unless he's being pushed? does the Umar we saw at UFC 324 beat O'malley?

I disagree that the last fight was bad.

I thought Umar's performance against Figgy was solid.

The thing is, the fight was really tough.


O'Malley's performance was worse than his. He almost lost to Dong.

 

[mister piscadinha]

Yan has to force guys as he needs to close the distance and fight at range. He's not good at fighting on the outside due to his size. Yan also eats big shots every fight because of this.

Umar fights safe (although boring at times) and is highly effective at minimising damage and putting himself into unwanted exchanges.

i get that fighting on the outside is umar's thing, but even outside fighters can do more than a couple high kicks that land on the guard a round

especially against 38 year old, post car crash, visibly badly conditioned figueiredo

 

[mister piscadinha]

Bezkat is low level. If he was brutalizing him and going after it he would have done a lot more damage and gotten a lot closer to a decision. He did not.

And yeh, there's other fights, like the Maness one. I just used the Bezkat one because it was more recent.

i even think bekzat is solid, but see his fight against alexander
alexander beat the piss out of him
umar just laid on top like a shameless blanket

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Yeah but if you were the promotion, based on performance, who would you have given the shot to if not merab?

Omalley or Umar based on their performance against their respective opponent?

if your answer is Sean, Then you know what his incentive was.

From a promotional stand point you go with Omaily as he's the easy sell and has history with Yan.

From a fan point Umar is the fight to make, its a fresh fight with guys in there prime who apparently don't like each other.

Imo Sean looked average last night and lacked confidence in the 1st 2 rnds. If it wasn't for Yadong straying from his game plan and start head hunting, Sean wouldnt have found any success.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

i get that fighting on the outside is umar's thing, but even outside fighters can do more than a couple high kicks that land on the guard a round

especially against 38 year old, post car crash, visibly badly conditioned figueiredo

Figgy did nothing besides swing widely for 15 seconds when Umar decided to close the distance for him. Umar didn't do much but he also didn't have a willing dace partner. Umar is a counter striker if he's winning it's not his responsibility to fight Figgys fight

 

[RockyLockridge]

From a promotional stand point you go with Omaily as he's the easy sell and has history with Yan.

From a fan point Umar is the fight to make, its a fresh fight with guys in there prime who apparently don't like each other.

IMO the Promotional standpoint is the fan stand point.

the "fan point" you're describing is what a hardcore fan might be more interested in. They weren't competing for the atttention of the hardcore fan....we will watch everything anyway. They were competing for the favor of the promotion because the promotion operates in favor of the casual. (which is why paddy was given this title shot)

 

[SaltedVinegarfootstomps]

Bezkat is low level. If he was brutalizing him and going after it he would have done a lot more damage and gotten a lot closer to a decision. He did not.

Again, dude, why are you pretending you even watched or remember the fight correctly? Umar clubbed him up with elbows in every round and worked for a finish in the 3rd. You said he had to resort to lay and pray to win....this is demonstrably false.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

IMO the Promotional standpoint is the fan stand point.

the "fan point" you're describing is what a hardcore fan might be more interested in. They weren't competing for the atttention of the hardcore fan....we will watch everything anyway. They were competing for the favor of the promotion because the promotion operates in favor of the casual. (which is why paddy was given this title shot)

I agree.

 

[hbombbisping]

O'Malley is obviously getting the next TS.

When he loses Umar is next in line and will take the title.



He looked fantastic. Figgy didn't do a damn thing in there.

 

[xhaydenx]

Again, dude, why are you pretending you even watched or remember the fight correctly? Umar clubbed him up with elbows in every round and worked for a finish in the 3rd. You said he had to resort to lay and pray to win....this is demonstrably false.

Much better to pretend to watch fights than watch them on this karate forum, bruz.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Weird retort. he had every advantage over his opponent.... figgy was a massive underdog, you'd think Umar was getting a showcase fight and would be able to do whatever he wanted with little consequnce. The thread isn't about if figgy has regressed, because he very clearly has.

Yeah but Figgy still has good defensive skills. All Figgy did was run and avoid the fight. The only thing Figgy has is power so you can't simply bum rush him with no consequence. Figgy wasn't fighting to win, he was fighting to survive.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

"It's hard to finish a guy who is standing still."

Not really, but it is if you fight with Umar's style. Go ahead and stand still in front of Poatan, see how long the fight lasts.

Realistically, he should have gotten Figgy out of there in under a round and a half. He could have, you know, advanced and taken more octagon control, cut angles and tried to shut down Figgy's frankenstein movement instead of choosing to circle with him.


Maybe his hand is still hurt?
Even jokes aside, I have a hard time seeing Umar beating either Merab or TurboYan.