Is Umar Nurmagomedov regressing?

[RockyLockridge]

- Second fight in 3 months
- Fought Fig who came in overweight
- Fig gave Yan a tougher fight and even dropped Yan


Thread title is sheer stupidity.
How is the guy regressing? He DOMINATED a tough opponent.

Because he's fighting lower ranked opponents over his last 2 fights, but looking worse. his performance against merab was more impressive than his last 2, his performance against bautista was more impressive than this.

everyone has criticized O'malley by the way. There is a thread about song winning and many including my self though song won. this thread is about Umar.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

So just fights to his opponents level then, If his opponent isn't going to push he's not going to push either.

He’s delusional. Sean ain’t fighting him. Umar will get the loser of the next title fight, which is most likely Merab or Yan. This neckbeard thinks his name is enough. Hopefully he’s realizing this is not the case based on how they ushered him and his corner out of the octagon with no post fight interview.

 

[RockyLockridge]

He’s delusional. Sean ain’t fighting him. Umar will get the loser of the next title fight, which is most likely Merab or Yan. This neckbeard thinks his name is enough. Hopefully he’s realizing this is not the case based on how they ushered him and his corner out of the octagon with no post fight interview.

I believe sean and him will fight. I just cant imagine anything else happening

 

[Alpha_T83]

He’s delusional. Sean ain’t fighting him. Umar will get the loser of the next title fight, which is most likely Merab or Yan. This neckbeard thinks his name is enough. Hopefully he’s realizing this is not the case based on how they ushered him and his corner out of the octagon with no post fight interview.

Yea, O'Malley will avoid Umar like the plague. He knows that's a fight he can't win, and unless he's champion forced to defend his belt, he's not obligated to accept that fight. It's a bit cowardly but a smart business move.

And Umar is doing himself no favors taking safe boring wins against overweight, out of shape flyweights.

 

[Alpha_T83]

I believe sean and him will fight. I just cant imagine anything else happening

Interesting. That'd be ballsy by O'Malley. I'll have hella respect for him if he takes that fight, because I don't think he can win.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Interesting. That'd be ballsy by O'Malley. I'll have hella respect for him if he takes that fight, because I don't think he can win.

Well, I just dont see how he can pivot from that match up. What are his options?

 

[Alpha_T83]

Well, I just dont see how he can pivot from that match up. What are his options?

Oh I agree that's the match to make. If Merab and Yan are fighting later this year, there is definitely time for a #1 contender fight between O'Malley and Umar.

I just think O'Malley will realize he can't beat Umar's wrestling and just refuse the fight. I think he would prefer to just sit and wait, take winnable fights, and wait for his eventual title shot.

 

[mister piscadinha]

I'm not "retorting" just relaying what he said himself.


It’s easy for people to overanalyze things from behind their keyboards.

A fight is a fight -> it’s hard to go up against someone who’s just standing there.

He’s not interested in risking himself just to show off, he knows his own skills.

I'd wager, he’s also not willing to jeopardize his position in the rankings for the sake of putting on a display for fans. Khabib would probably beat his ass lol

they were both risk averse
the criticism is on umar cause he's the favourite, younger, taller and bigger
these criticism deflections are pathetic

 

[xhaydenx]

Yea, O'Malley will avoid Umar like the plague. He knows that's a fight he can't win, and unless he's champion forced to defend his belt, he's not obligated to accept that fight. It's a bit cowardly but a smart business move.

And Umar is doing himself no favors taking safe boring wins against overweight, out of shape flyweights.

Get out of here with this stuff bro. Come on.

People were saying Suga would never fight anyone like Yan, but he did that.

Heck, people were saying he wouldn't take the Song fight because it was too risky.

Suga is a top fighter. He's not ducking the top guys lol.

And if Suga is a coward then what does that make Umar? Umar didn't fight anyone even ranked while moving up the ranks himself and not going after actual ranked fighters. Whined his way on twitter to a title eliminator against Cory. And people were willing to fight him.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Get out of here with this stuff bro. Come on.

People were saying Suga would never fight anyone like Yan, but he did that.

Heck, people were saying he wouldn't take the Song fight because it was too risky.

Suga is a top fighter. He's not ducking the top guys lol.

And if Suga is a coward then what does that make Umar? Umar didn't fight anyone even ranked while moving up the ranks himself and not going after actual ranked fighters. Whined his way on twitter to a title eliminator against Cory. And people were willing to fight him.

Hey, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. I'll admit it and give O'Malley props if he fights Umar.

I just don't see any way he can win. Even Song's wrestling gave him problems. How is he going to deal with Umar's wrestling? And if he believes he can't win, why would he take the fight?

And I'm not defending Umar here. I agree with all of the criticisms that people are leveling at Umar.

 

[LoveMyMMA]

Because he's fighting lower ranked opponents over his last 2 fights, but looking worse. his performance against merab was more impressive than his last 2, his performance against bautista was more impressive than this.

everyone has criticized O'malley by the way. There is a thread about song winning and many including my self though song won. this thread is about Umar.

I just presented you the exact reasons as to why his performance yesterday was less "impressive" compared to his previous two.

But to sum it up, it takes two to tango. Fig was running the entire fight. Umar wasn't gonna barge in on a dangerous striker who's only way of winning was to land a clean counter.

Bautista and Merab weren't backing down against Umar.

 

[RockyLockridge]

these criticism deflections are pathetic

I'm inclined to agree. It's just a discussion. We criticize fighters we like on here all the time. Gaethje just won his second interim title, he's facing plenty criticism. same with paddy, rose, Natalia silva, Arnold allen all being criticized for one reason or another and that's okay. We watch the sport, we scrutinize what we see.... not sure why it's at all a big deal

 

[HNIC215]

they were both risk averse
the criticism is on umar cause he's the favourite, younger, taller and bigger
these criticism deflections are pathetic

It's not a deflection.

I don't care if you criticize anyone's performance.

It's a free world.

However, to put on a good performance, you need a willing partner.

If you disagree with that and think Umar should have went on the offensive, that's perfectly fine.

I just think it's easier to type about this stuff then actually fight someone who is idle.

 

[Alpha_T83]

If you disagree with that and think Umar should have went on the offensive, that's perfectly fine.

I just think it's easier to type about this stuff then actually fight someone who is idle.

Such a bullshit argument. I've always hated that "well, you can't criticize this person unless you put yourself in their shoes". It's a trash tier deflection used to defend all kinds of bad behaviours, and shut down legitimate criticisms.

We can and we will criticize Umar. And yes he could have and should have taken risks to finish a fight he was dominating, just like Khamzat should have taken more risks against DDP.

 

[RockyLockridge]

I just think it's easier to type about this stuff then actually fight someone who is idle.

yeah but lets be real, we all remember plenty of people criticizing izzy for the yoel fight, right before that he had very impressive wins with kelvin and whittaker.

It's something that happens.

 

[xhaydenx]

Hey, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. I'll admit it and give O'Malley props if he fights Umar.

I just don't see any way he can win. Even Song's wrestling gave him problems. How is he going to deal with Umar's wrestling? And if he believes he can't win, why would he take the fight?

And I'm not defending Umar here. I agree with all of the criticisms that people are leveling at Umar.

You might not see a way Suga can win, but that doesn't mean he can't see one.

He's a top level fighter, man. Fighters at this level like Suga, Yan, Merab, Umar, Aljo, etc. they don't look at fights in their division and think "No way I can win this." None of them can be at that level and have that mentality.

Again, everyone was saying Suga would have nothing for Yan and Aljo. He obviously didn't believe that.

They were saying the same about the Merab rematch. If Suga cared more about being a coward and worrying about his career he would have avoided that fight and waited for someone to beat Merab that he had a better chance against. Like, Yan for example. Instead he took that rematch. No way in hell he took that if he didn't think he could win.

 

[HNIC215]

Such a bullshit argument. I've always hated that "well, you can't criticize this person unless you put yourself in their shoes". It's a trash tier deflection used to defend all kinds of bad behaviours, and shut down legitimate criticisms.

We can and we will criticize Umar. And yes he could have and should have taken risks to finish a fight he was dominating, just like Khamzat should have taken more risks against DDP.

No one is shutting down your bullshit argument.

Type away lol

You can criticize whoever you want. My point is that actually being in the cage, with your career on the line against a former champion, who decides to be idle and not fight back makes it difficult to put on a show.

That's a fact.

Criticize all you want but if you can't see that -> don't let me change your opinion.

 

[Alpha_T83]

No one is shutting down your bullshit argument.

Type away lol

You can criticize whoever you want. My point is that actually being in the cage, with your career on the line against a former champion, who decides to be idle and not fight back makes it difficult to put on a show.

That's a fact.

Criticize all you want but if you can't see that -> don't let me change your opinion.

Too bad so sad.

It's a free world and Umar is free to choose the safe boring fight. But by making that choice he's also choosing to accept all the criticisms that come with such a performance, and choosing not to get a title shot.

Don't piss in the wind and cry when it flies back at you.

 

[TheBulge]

Umar IFL Umar is the opposite of a risk taker. The guy in the main event who went after it, that guy takes risks. Not Umar IFL Umar.

 

[Alpha_T83]

You might not see a way Suga can win, but that doesn't mean he can't see one.

He's a top level fighter, man. Fighters at this level like Suga, Yan, Merab, Umar, Aljo, etc. they don't look at fights in their division and think "No way I can win this." None of them can be at that level and have that mentality.

Again, everyone was saying Suga would have nothing for Yan and Aljo. He obviously didn't believe that.

They were saying the same about the Merab rematch. If Suga cared more about being a coward and worrying about his career he would have avoided that fight and waited for someone to beat Merab that he had a better chance against. Like, Yan for example. Instead he took that rematch. No way in hell he took that if he didn't think he could win.

You are very right that O'Malley has taken difficult fights before and found a way to win. And if he does see a way to beat Umar, he might very well take that fight.

I wasn't one of those people claiming O'Malley was protected and gifted a title shot. I'm actually a fan of his and enjoy watching him fight. I just think he's being strategic with his career at this point and trying to maximize his value. And IMO fighting Umar is the opposite of that.