Elections Is Tulsi Gabbard a Russian asset?

[Eusung]

The DNC's treatment of Tulsi since 2015 reminds me of MSNBC's treatment of Krystal when she said "Hillary should not be running" back in 2015.

No wonder Krystal Ball has Tulsi's back all the time. They both got dumped by the establishment

Nostalgic video from 2017 - when Jimmy Dore was still part of TYT and would later leave that sinking ship:

 

[Last Samurai]

Clinton: I think there's going to be two parts and I think it's going to be the same as 2016. 'Don't vote for the other guy. You don't like me, (fine, but) don't vote for the other guy because the other guy is going to do X Y and Z. The other guy did such terrible things. I'm going to show you in these, you know, flashing videos that appear and then disappear and they are on the dark web and nobody can find them.' But you're going to see them, and you're going to see that person doing these horrible things. They are also going to do third party again. And I'm not making any predictions, but I think they've got their eye on someone who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third party candidate. She's the favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far. And that's assuming Jill Stein will give it up, because she's also a Russian asset.

It is unclear, because of the dual use of "they".

Maybe she's talking about the Republicans in the first instance. But if so, what is she implying?

"They are also going to do third party again"

That the Republicans were supporting Jill Stein? That doesn't really make sense.

The only way her statement makes sense is if "they" is a reference to Team Trump + Russia, which Hillary views as a consolidated group.

It is open to interpretation, but I honestly don't think she was referring to the GOP at any point here.

 

[waiguoren]

Maybe she's talking about the Republicans in the first instance. But if so, what is she implying?

"They are also going to do third party again"

That the Republicans were supporting Jill Stein? That doesn't really make sense.

She made multiple bizarre claims there. Look at what she said about the dark web in the same paragraph. I think she might be losing her grip on reality.

 

[waiguoren]

(Timestamped) Joe Rogan gives his take:

 

[PEB]

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Russian Asset? Unlikely. Useful idiot? More likely but not certain.

Overall, she seems to be liked more by the Republicans and Conservatives than Dems and Libs. So I'm not sure why she's running on in the DNC. Her and Biden should just Primary Trump.

Although, seems weird people are pretending Clinton said "She's a Russian Asset" and not the Russians are using her as an asset.

She's the only candidate who's built their candidacy on foreign policy/noninterventionism. Bernie basically has the same foreign policy ideas, but he screams about economics while she screams about foreign policy. There's a subsection of the left that really focuses on noninterventionism and absolutely loves her. There are progressive commentators who stan for her, most notably Jimmy Dore, but also lesser known ones like Niko House and The Convo Couch who have relatively big followings when you go deeper into progressive YouTube. Niko House in particular seems like he's in love with her, and I guess Joe Rogan's ideology is debatable, but he identifies as left wing these days and he's a big supporter of hers as well.

PS - Hillary has confirmed that she was referring to Tulsi and she said that Jill Stein was "also a Russian asset". Even if she did not directly state that Tulsi is a Russian asset, the inference is obvious. The only pretending, gaslighting really, is on the part of Hillary and her shills and her useful idiots after the fact.

 

[PEB]

She's the only candidate who's built their candidacy on foreign policy/noninterventionism. Bernie basically has the same foreign policy ideas, but he screams about economics while she screams about foreign policy. There's a subsection of the left that really focuses on noninterventionism and absolutely loves her. There are progressive commentators who stan for her, most notably Jimmy Dore, but also lesser known ones like Niko House and The Convo Couch who have relatively big followings when you go deeper into progressive YouTube. Niko House in particular seems like he's in love with her, and I guess Joe Rogan's ideology is debatable, but he identifies as left wing these days and he's a big supporter of hers as well.

Here's the thing about her she actually has economic plans but the media laser focused on her Syria stance. Economically she originally supported many of Bernie Sanders ideas "that sounds a lot like Trump" but now leaning towards Yang or Warren.

Media focus on Syria is because she been very critical of US intervention. She's not as aggressive towards China but also will seek more balance approach.

Thing about health care an M4A she's backing off leaning more to a mix or lesser. She's sounds more conservative economically and in other areas.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

How shit of a candidate do you have to be to lose to Donald Fucking Trump? Must blame the Russians for everything.

You lost. Get over it Hillary!

She blames Jill Stein for running 3rd party and she thinks she's a Russian asset and Tulsi is too, but every legitimate statistical analysis shows that Jill Stein did not flip the election to Trump. The preponderance of the votes for Stein were protest votes from leftists in solid blue states like California and Massachusetts. My dad for example, voted for Stein in Massachusetts, but would have voted for Hillary in a swing state. Also, Gary Johnson got 3 million more votes than Stein. He clearly poached more votes from Trump than Stein did from Hillary. And Tulsi has explicitly ruled out a 3rd party run and all indications are that she will not run 3rd party. If anything, it looks like she's transitioning to trying to become more of a media personality and she announced that she will not seek reelection to her Congressional seat.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

And after Tulsi went to bat for old man Bernie at great cost to herself......where is the old pussy now for her? Fuck Bernie! Guy has no backbone now

Bernie tweeted in her defense. I also believe he would likely have a position for her in his administration, although that seems unlikely at this point because Bernie has been coopted by Elizabeth Warren.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Here's the thing about her she actually has economic plans but the media laser focused on her Syria stance. Economically she originally supported many of Bernie Sanders ideas "that sounds a lot like Trump" but now leaning towards Yang or Warren.

Media focus on Syria is because she been very critical of US intervention. She's not as aggressive towards China but also will seek more balance approach.

Thing about health care an M4A she's backing off leaning more to a mix or lesser. She's sounds more conservative economically and in other areas.

Yeah, she was the last candidate to waffle on MFA. Yang and Warren and Harris and Buttigieg and whoever else waffled before she did. Warren actually takes more money from the health care industry than Harris, believe it or not. Bernie, of course, will never waffle. He's a rock.

 

[waiguoren]

Although, seems weird people are pretending Clinton said "She's a Russian Asset" and not the Russians are using her as an asset.

Clinton said "Stein is also a Russian asset" after talking about Gabbard. There are two ways to interpret that: 1) Gabbard is a Russian asset too 2) Stein is a Russian asset in addition to being something else.

In my view, Clinton was speaking informally and we can't really know which way she meant it. I guess I lean toward 1) though. Either way, it's preposterous to refer to Jill Stein as a Russian asset/agent without some serious evidence to back that claim up.

However, Clinton did say that Gabbard is "the favorite of the Russians" and that the Trump campaign/Republicans are "grooming" Gabbard to run third-party. These are big claims and require more evidence.

 

[PEB]

This is an explanation of Yang's plans and Tulsi kinda leans this way. She will not support M4A in the most complete way.

 

[PEB]

 

[Jack V Savage]

PEB, buddy, instead of blindly repeating Republican propaganda, you should read the original piece:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/tulsi-gabbard-third-party-campaign-russia-spoiler.html

 

[theBLADE1]

PEB, buddy, instead of blindly repeating Republican propaganda, you should read the original piece:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/tulsi-gabbard-third-party-campaign-russia-spoiler.html

Do you think she's a Russian asset? I'm just asking.

I don't feel like sifting through almost 30 pages to find your opinion on the matter.

 

[PEB]

PEB, buddy, instead of blindly repeating Republican propaganda, you should read the original piece:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/tulsi-gabbard-third-party-campaign-russia-spoiler.html

I seen most of it and it's garbage you remember when then President Obama was talking about leaving Syria drawing a line in the sand earlier. Obama even sounded like a Russian asset when then Russian President Medvedev about having more flexibility where was your false outrage. She's not doing Republicans dirty work she really feels that she can get us out of Syria and endless wars while saving billions that can be used in the US.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I seen most of it and it's garbage

Try reading it and responding to the actual points in it. At the very least, you'll be able to see that the response that you posted isn't part a good-faith effort to understand the underlying issues.

 

[PEB]

Try reading it and responding to the actual points in it. At the very least, you'll be able to see that the response that you posted isn't part a good-faith effort to understand the underlying issues.

I went through the whole thing and you have yet to answer my talking point about Obama and former Russian President. At the time Tulsi did not know the situation in Syria she was likely to business being in Iraq working on treating soldiers back in 2015. After she came home and started to consider a run for President she went on a fact finding mission to see what was actually happening over in Syria. She was doing her do diligence at finding out what was happening on the ground.
She has capabilities being a soldier where she at least understood the conditions on the ground before heading into harms way. Even now is there really a right way or a wrong way do you think Biden or Warren have any better idea how to handle the situation on the ground? What do you think she is doing trying to undermine the Democrat elections? Almost anyone can twist someones tweets to look like they are doing the Republican's bidding much like how I was playing Obama on his meeting with Russian President. In this story there is hardly any reason to assume that Tulsi is working for the Republicans or that she is a useful idiot "and active serving military officer". Oh the Hill is hardly an arm of FOX News if you watch the stories they actually make points for Warren and even Mayor Pete. Hardly something you would expect from someone doing conservative bidding.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Hoe-Lee-Fook.... she may have kicked the biggest hornets nest in Washington DC with this.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I went through the whole thing and you have yet to answer my talking point about Obama and former Russian President.

You didn't actually respond to any points in the piece, is the point. You're just posting Republican talking points as a way to distract from the arguments.