Elections Is Tulsi Gabbard a Russian asset?

[Fawlty]

That doesn't qualify as a "regime change war". "Assad must go" isn't a policy and putting pressure on him to step down via non-violent means does not qualify as a war.

Remember a couple days ago when Tulsi said (ridiculously) that this election was between her and Hillary? This is what you're being sucked into. Her outrageously wrong statement is actually working on these people.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It’s meaningless. The Russians always support ANY American who opposes American foreign military intervention. The idea that you therefore become a ‘Russian asset’ unless you support ceaseless American military intervention is absurd.

That idea is absurd, but the actual comment you're responding to and distorting is not.

 

[SBJJ]

The troops stationed there were a barrier to Turkish aggression. Your analogy is more aptly applied to the Turks since they supported Jihadists and now they have sent their army into Syria.

You are ignorant to how this all started then. We started this whole thing....it is fact. We also carved out a third of the country for those we backed....well backed at the end.

The fact you think our invasion of this country was something other than hostile is nuts. We are pretty damn close to being directly responsible for a half a million deaths . But just put it on our tab. Maybe we can hit deficit type numbers for death and displacement

 

[all caps]

The world would be a better place if it were painful to be this stupid.

Being anti-war doesn't make you an asset of anybody.

That would be like me going around calling all the warmongers 'satan assets', simply because they believe in the use mass murder, siege warfare and collective punishment for profit even when no viable threat is present.

Calling someone an 'asset' means nothing. Its neuro-linguistic programming designed to get people to go along with wars that do nothing to make america safer while costing us trillions of dollars.

Iraq never attacked the US. Libya never attacked the US. Somalia never attacked the US. Sudan never attacked the US. Syria never attacked the US. Yemen never attacked the US. Iran never attacked the US.

Why are we squandering tax dollars blowing all these places up? It only makes our country much less safe, it creates a complete lack of trust in our intentions around the world.

Because they hate us for our freedoms.

 

[all caps]

Again, I'll take the word of experts over some asshole on Sherdog. What was your previous user name anyway?

Taking the word of experts got your fellow americans killed in iraq. Got your fellow Americans killed in Afghanistan. Got 1 million innocent civilians killed. So go on, keep taking the word of experts. Keep pretending to care about people.

 

[kpt018]

Taking the word of experts got your fellow americans killed in iraq. Got your fellow Americans killed in Afghanistan. Got 1 million innocent civilians killed. So go on, keep taking the word of experts. Keep pretending to care about people.

Actually, I strongly opposed the Iraq war at the time and now in hindsight it was a total disaster. My understanding is the experts weren't sure if they did actually have WMDs. It's a failure of the Bush admin's foreign policy and military effort and not that of experts.

On top of not even attempting to understand where I am coming from this, of course, has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

 

[Happy Man]

Remember a couple days ago when Tulsi said (ridiculously) that this election was between her and Hillary? This is what you're being sucked into. Her outrageously wrong statement is actually working on these people.

ifs obvious she means the camps. Camp anti establishment, anti regime change wars vs pro establishment pro war.

dont obfuscate what she means as a way to try and attack her.

I know it’s your shtick as an establishment DNC Hatchet man, but you need a new approach.

 

[Last Samurai]

Actually, I strongly opposed the Iraq war at the time and now in hindsight it was a total disaster. My understanding is the experts weren't sure if they did actually have WMDs. It's a failure of the Bush admin's foreign policy and military effort and not that of experts.

On top of not even attempting to understand where I am coming from this, of course, has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Then you should also oppose the war in Syria.

The same people are using the same old tricks to drag America into another disaster of a war. They lied about Iraq having WMD's just as they lied about Syria using chemical weapons against its own people, to create a pretext for war.

 

[kpt018]

Then you should also oppose the war in Syria.

The same people are using the same old tricks to drag America into another disaster of a war. They lied about Iraq having WMD's just as they lied about Syria using chemical weapons against its own people, to create a pretext for war.

Not necessarily. Decisions like that are really complicated and morally muddy and I am not even close to qualified to make calls like that.

People who make these decisions are doing so with only a fraction of the information they need so us citizens are even more clueless.

And because these posts are getting silly and there's a lot of smearing going on, of course I am against war. They're living hell on Earth. Acknowledging that there are people out there that do want to kill us and our allies does not make me pro-war.

 

[The ScorpioN]

I think people in the DNC were concerned about a Stein like 3rd party run and are trying to cut that off. Someone less radioactive should have delivered the message though.

Why would the DNC be concerned? I thought the narrative was that Tulsi's measly numbers are due to right winge support. If anything, her 3rd party run should benefit the DNC as she would take Trump's votes, no?

 

[SBJJ]

Actually, I strongly opposed the Iraq war at the time and now in hindsight it was a total disaster. My understanding is the experts weren't sure if they did actually have WMDs. It's a failure of the Bush admin's foreign policy and military effort and not that of experts.

On top of not even attempting to understand where I am coming from this, of course, has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Jesus. There was less a reason to conduct a covert war in Syria than there was to go into Iraq.

You are just spinning at this point to justify your hatred for a man you never met. Siding with the orange man on one God damn thing does not make you a supporter .

How vocal were you with Obama and HRC when they went bloodthirsty in regards to Libya and Syria? Or do you just feel outrage when War and Death has a silly R next to it?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Why would the DNC be concerned? I thought the narrative was that Tulsi's measly numbers are due to right winge support. If anything, her 3rd party run should benefit the DNC as she would take Trump's votes, no?

Yeah, I think the whole effort is flopping because it's too transparent to work on the left, and a lot of the right is taking it seriously. I don't think she'll actually run third party precisely because at this point it looks like it would hurt Trump more than it would help him (of course, if they're just boosting her without her involvement, she might do it anyway, which would be hilarious). Democrats should just ignore her, but Clinton is probably not communicating with anyone in retirement and is just saying what she thinks without regard to the impact.

 

[kpt018]

Why would the DNC be concerned? I thought the narrative was that Tulsi's measly numbers are due to right winge support. If anything, her 3rd party run should benefit the DNC as she would take Trump's votes, no?

For one Gabbard is more popular than Stein and even Stein seems to have had an impact on the election. Remember, it only takes a small swing in one important state to turn the entire election.

She's definitely fringe but if she can pull 50k votes in the key states it could be massively damaging.

Jesus. There was less a reason to conduct a covert war in Syria than there was to go into Iraq.

You are just spinning at this point to justify your hatred for a man you never met. Siding with the orange man on one God damn thing does not make you a supporter .

How vocal were you with Obama and HRC when they went bloodthirsty in regards to Libya and Syria? Or do you just feel outrage when War and Death has a silly R next to it?

Your criticism is 100% bullshit since there were plenty of Democrats that voted for the Iraq war, so obviously I'm very critical of their decision as well. Furthermore, there were issues where I agreed with Trump (until he back tracked, off course). I really liked that he wanted to do something about the price of drugs, for example. That is, until he met pharma executives and changed his mind.

I am against Trump because he's stupid, careless and corrupt. But you'll keep making shit up as to why I hate the guy, won't you?

 

[The ScorpioN]

For one Gabbard is more popular than Stein and even Stein seems to have had an impact on the election. Remember, it only takes a small swing in one important state to turn the entire election.

She's definitely fringe but if she can pull 50k votes in the key states it could be massively damaging.

Damaging to to whom?

 

[SBJJ]

For one Gabbard is more popular than Stein and even Stein seems to have had an impact on the election. Remember, it only takes a small swing in one important state to turn the entire election.

She's definitely fringe but if she can pull 50k votes in the key states it could be massively damaging.



Your criticism is 100% bullshit since there were plenty of Democrats that voted for the Iraq war, so obviously I'm very critical of their decision as well. Furthermore, there were issues where I agreed with Trump (until he back tracked, off course). I really liked that he wanted to do something about the price of drugs, for example. That is, until he met pharma executives and changed his mind.

I am against Trump because he's stupid, careless and corrupt. But you'll keep making shit up as to why I hate the guy, won't you?

What else would explain your complete hypocrisy on this issue?

Obama and HRC ran a covert war against a moderate leader. Armed terrorists. Resulting in an illegal(to this day) occupation of a country. Half a million people dead. Multiple millions ran out of their homes.

And you are bitching because we are finally exiting this illegal war.

But you support Trump wanting lower drug prices....but really do not because he talks to pharmaceutical companies

 

[bobgeese]

almost as if the reins of our foreign policy are so tightly held that it doesn't matter who the president of the United States is.

 

[kpt018]

What else would explain your complete hypocrisy on this issue?

Obama and HRC ran a covert war against a moderate leader. Armed terrorists. Resulting in an illegal(to this day) occupation of a country. Half a million people dead. Multiple millions ran out of their homes.

And you are bitching because we are finally exiting this illegal war.

Are you talking about Syria? Moderate leader? You have to be fucking kidding.

The presence there is bipartisan so your framing of the issue just illustrates your tribal loyalty, making this a bogus criticism. That is why you're so off about why you think I'm being a hypocrite. I don't view everything in partisan terms, but especially matters of national security, foreign policy and military intervention.

But you support Trump wanting lower drug prices....but really do not because he talks to pharmaceutical companies

WTF? How can a functioning adult read what I said and come away with that.

I agree with Trump wanting lower drug prices. I disagree with him abandoning the issue after talking to pharma companies.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Damaging to to whom?

America.

 

[SBJJ]

Are you talking about Syria? Moderate leader? You have to be fucking kidding.

The presence there is bipartisan so your framing of the issue just illustrates your tribal loyalty, making this a bogus criticism. That is why you're so off about why you think I'm being a hypocrite. I don't view everything in partisan terms, but especially matters of national security, foreign policy and military intervention.



WTF? How can a functioning adult read what I said and come away with that.

I agree with Trump wanting lower drug prices. I disagree with him abandoning the issue after talking to pharma companies.

How can you really be this ignorant about Assad and Syria. I mean it does not seem humanly possible.

We ran a covert CIA overthrow coup attempt with help from SA. Your coalition is complete bullshit.

Where was the coalition when we pulled back.

I suggest you read up on how this started and read a bit on Assad. Compared to ME dictators, the guy is very moderate

 

[kpt018]

How can you really be this ignorant about Assad and Syria. I mean it does not seem humanly possible.

We ran a covert CIA overthrow coup attempt with help from SA. Your coalition is complete bullshit.

Where was the coalition when we pulled back.

I suggest you read up on how this started and read a bit on Assad. Compared to ME dictators, the guy is very moderate

LOL!