Social Is rap music degenerate? Yes it is

I'm not that young. I'm 36 and a lot of young people might think you're just out of touch and grouchy and old.

When you were young, there were older people who thought the music or whatever you were into was terrible for society and all the same shit you're saying now.

So now you're saying all those older people from your youth were right? I bet you don't think that.

I bet the things you were into as a younger person is still cool in your eyes.

So stop being old and lame.
Yes they were right, and I was an idiot when I was a teenager as was everyone. In fact if I had a time machine the very first thing I would do is travel about 25 years into the past and punch my young self square in the face.

Anyone who doesn’t cringe at the thought of their teenage self is simply not growing.
 
The newer is generally bad but some good things out there .. but he still the best

 
Doesn't matter, it's still on the whole hip hop community that it was allowed to shift. In fact, that makes it especially egregious that it was allowed to shift to a glorification of the negative elements. They allowed corporate white guys with money to turn them from hip hop poets to lyrical thugs and to like the change.

Kinda. I remember in the early 90's when there was still essentially NO Hip Hop on radio. And during that time I went from one State with a very diverse population, to another State that was very racially segregated. There were only 2 R&B stations in Virginia, and maybe one pop station in Florida that played Hip Hop. The only places you heard actual rap was on College stations on the weekends. And there was Yo MTV raps, and like 1 or 2 shows on BET.

I mean we can get mad at the community for taking one of the only viable economic opportunities to get out of the f*ckin ghetto, but that seems a bit judgy to me. If they had more infrastructure to facilitate the transition into popular culture themselves (their own radio stations, etc.), it might have been different. But that didnt happen until years later. The 90's Hip Hop boom changed a lot of sh*t, just not the pecking order. It was an infant form of music coming into an industry that had exploited artists for decades. There was no Motown of Hip Hop that actually groomed and somewhat protected the artists' interests.
 
they should have never let white people get their hands on it smh.
 
Or, being truthful about the battles one faces attempting to live a righteous life in a sinful world. Country and hip hop originate from the same roots. It's the same struggle. From different perspectives.

I can get down with this. Both country and hip hop have suffered from the same corruptive influence of pop music and pop labels.

In both genres you have a history of rebel music (rebel music in the Bob Marley sense, NOT the states rights to maintain chattel slavery "rebel") that was corrupted by mainstream labels into derivative pop.

You've got hip hop, and then there's hip pop.

In the country world there's been legitimate fight the power rebel artists, but that peaked in an older era with guys like Kris Kristofferson. Most of the current market has been corrupted by commercial entities.

I remember seeing an amazing blues / folk guitarist and song writer perform years ago and he introduced a song by saying "the record label guys in Nashville wanted me to write a country song for them. They didn't like it. I dunno why, I wrote it slow as I could."

It's sad because there's still a market for real shit, but big labels don't invest in it. Oliver Anthony blew up on the country scene for keepin it real.

Kinda. I remember in the early 90's when there was still essentially NO Hip Hop on radio. And during that time I went from one State with a very diverse population, to another State that was very racially segregated. There were only 2 R&B stations in Virginia, and maybe one pop station in Florida that played Hip Hop. The only places you heard actual rap was on College stations on the weekends. And there was Yo MTV raps, and like 1 or 2 shows on BET.

I mean we can get mad at the community for taking one of the only viable economic opportunities to get out of the f*ckin ghetto, but that seems a bit judgy to me. If they had more infrastructure to facilitate the transition into popular culture themselves (their own radio stations, etc.), it might have been different. But that didnt happen until years later. The 90's Hip Hop boom changed a lot of sh*t, just not the pecking order. It was an infant form of music coming into an industry that had exploited artists for decades. There was no Motown of Hip Hop that actually groomed and somewhat protected the artists' interests.

Makes me realize how privileged we were in the north east, growing up in the tristate area it was blowing up in the early 90s, Biggie was being played everywhere, Wu Tang was busting out onto to the scene and even the moms loved Tupac. We'd be skateboarding in a parking lot every afternoon with a boombox blasting Souls of Mischeif's 93 til infinity.

I didn't really think about it but I guess it took some time to spread out of CA and the NY tristate area before the ATL and dirty south scenes started to come up.
 
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Metalhead here: It's not just rap, but it doesn't bother me if the song is good.

Johnny Cash wrote a song about doing coke and shooting his cheating woman (Cocaine Blues) and shooting a guy just to watch him die (Folsom Prison Blues) and hunting down his father who abandoned him to kill him (Boy Named Sue)

Black Sabbath (GOATs) wrote songs about drugs...(Snowblind, the Wizard)

Guns and Roses recorded a woman having sex in the studio and put it on a track (Rocket Queen)

Hendrix sang about drugs (Purple Haze) and shooting a cheating woman (Hey Joe)

Motley Crue ..... model degenerates too many examples to name


And that's just a few mainstream acts, the more extreme ends of the genre have all kinds of degenerate lyrics.
Those old country stars were out of their minds on crank and cocaine IRL too.
 
Those old country stars were out of their minds on crank and cocaine IRL too.


I guess my point is that no matter how degenerate the music is (no matter the genre) you can listen to it, hell even enjoy it without becoming one.

That goes for movies, video games, ect ect...

(I remember these same conversations after Columbine)
 
I guess my point is that no matter how degenerate the music is (no matter the genre) you can listen to it, hell even enjoy it without becoming one.

That goes for movies, video games, ect ect...

(I remember these same conversations after Columbine)

Don't let the kids see any Van Gogh paintings, he was out of his mind and a terrible influence!

Don Mclean's Starry Starry Night was one of Tupac's favorite songs and look what happened to him!
 
right, that’s why 4 out of the 5 worst reviewed albums last year were released by black rappers.
Dude, The fucking Grammy's praised and allowed a live performance of Wet Ass PUSSY. Ice Spice was voted best new comer...Here is the utter garbage she put out:

 
Dude, The fucking Grammy's praised and allowed a live performance of Wet Ass PUSSY. Ice Spice was voted best new comer...Here is the utter garbage she put out:


so? WAP is a banger & was smashing all sorts of streaming & download records that year

Munch is also a banger. Ice Spice has totally fallen off a cliff though.

anywho… care to respond w/ a post that is actually relevant to this?:
Because it's black music, critics won't attack it due to being un PC....
right, that’s why 4 out of the 5 worst reviewed albums last year were released by black rappers.
 
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so? WAP is a banger & was smashing all sorts of streaming & download records that year

Munch is also a banger. Ice Spice has totally fallen off a cliff though.

anywho… care to respond w/ a post that is actually relevant to this?:

right, that’s why 4 out of the 5 worst reviewed albums last year were released by black rappers.

I love this new perspective of "black privilege" because black artists dont want to be judged on their "obscenities" because they're black.

As if rock doesnt have nasty @ss sexualized songs about banging underaged girls.
 
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I love this new perspective of "black privilege" because black artists dont want to be judged on their "obscenities" because they're black.

As if rock doesnt have nasty @ss sexualized songs about banging underaged girls.


 
Rappers should be the least of your concerns. You can choose to turn it off or not listen to it. Much like you can turn off movies that pump violence. Attacking artists is honestly ridiculous. Go start a crusade against corrupt politticians, corporations and the true scum of the Earth. Use your time a little more wisely.
 
Relax, I think you got your spandex on too tight, don't get so emotional over a disagreement, that's a female trait.

A little fun fact for you Toronto is larger in population than every US city except New York and Los Angeles.
Tell him how many street fights you've won and why he shouldn't mess with you.
 
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