Is psychopathy an advantage in fighting?

[1pedestrian]

Psychopathy (factor 1) is a huge advantage in politics.

 

[BlancoDiablo828]

It totally is great point !

On the opposite end of things you have certain guys that lack that killer Instinct who at times seem to almost feel bad for dominating or winning.. of the the top of my head I recognized this trait in- Chad Mandes, Alexander volkov, Gustafsson, DC, and Michael Johnson.

Uriah Hall comes to mind

 

[xyzxyz94]

 

[savemgs]

It totally is great point !

On the opposite end of things you have certain guys that lack that killer Instinct who at times seem to almost feel bad for dominating or winning.. of the the top of my head I recognized this trait in- Chad Mandes, Alexander volkov, Gustafsson, DC, and Michael Johnson.

What category is Dan Henderson in?

 

[jeremyemilio]

I think this has to do with the last point in the original post, which proposes that a psychopath may have an advantage because they would be less affected by public derision if they were discovered to have, for example, taken PEDs. Suppose a normal fighter is discovered to have taken PEDs, then they might experience all three of the following emotions: frustration to have failed in hiding it, shame to have been discovered, and guilt for having taken PEDs. But a psychopath would only experience one of the three: frustration to have failed in hiding it. So already, there is less psychological burden on the psychopath. But even if we were only to focus on frustration, a normal person might just wallow in the public derision out of shame, whereas a psychopath would immediately think of ways to address the frustration, perhaps by obfuscating the truth or downright lying (if they thought they could get away with it), or failing that, by calculated aggression and bullying. So even in the limited case of frustration, a normal person might simply endure it whereas a psychopath would immediately begin to alleviate it, thus experiencing less psychological burden.



Well you know while Cus was originally training Tyson, Teddy Atlas, one of the closest assistant trainers to Cus and also closest to Tyson took a gun to Tyson's head to warn him about sexually harassing his niece. Cus kept Tyson and dismissed Atlas. The point is that you don't really think Cus kept Tyson and got rid of Atlas because Tyson was personable rather than because Cus knew he had a second heavyweight world champion on his hands do you? And who are these people that have "stuck by" Tyson? You don't mean the people who are parading him around now that he is old and harmless and brings them positive publicity do you?

Also, for your amusement, here is that scene badly reenacted:

On your first point, fair enough.

On your second, I think you make a solid point as well.

But even if I concede that Tyson (who I'm not a fan of, BTW) is indeed a psychopath (which I don't really believe just based on working with kids who remind me of him... and also working with some kids who I'm pretty certain are psychopaths), the fact that he lost Atlas as a trainer, and kept Cus only because of his skill as a boxer (suggesting that if he wasn't destined to be a world champion he'd likely have been left in the lurch), still more or less shows that being a psychopath is detrimental to a successful fighting career.

 

[Chagaev]

Being a psychopat would've been an advantage for War Machine.

 

[Vincentsky]

What category is Dan Henderson in?

You tell me

 

[Watcha gunna doo]

On your first point, fair enough.

On your second, I think you make a solid point as well.

But even if I concede that Tyson (who I'm not a fan of, BTW) is indeed a psychopath (which I don't really believe just based on working with kids who remind me of him... and also working with some kids who I'm pretty certain are psychopaths), the fact that he lost Atlas as a trainer, and kept Cus only because of his skill as a boxer (suggesting that if he wasn't destined to be a world champion he'd likely have been left in the lurch), still more or less shows that being a psychopath is detrimental to a successful fighting career.

What do you think of colby covington? I think hes a psycopath

 

[Ogata]

It can also be a disadvantage if you choose to fuck trainers and training partners over by not compensating them for their services. This will lead in to a bad reputation and a really good sought out trainer may not want to work with you due to that person being an awful person.

Also I have been in boxing and I have met few folks that are psychopaths. They ask for light sparring only to throw a super hard punch if they see an opening. So when it comes to sparring I simply decline their request and my reasoning is to bluntly inform them that, unless I know them on a personal level, then I am unable to accept their request. Light sparring is done with trusted partners. With unknown individuals, you treat it like an actual fight.

 

[Watcha gunna doo]

It can also be a disadvantage if you choose to fuck trainers and training partners over by not compensating them for their services. This will lead in to a bad reputation and a really good sought out trainer may not want to work with you due to that person being an awful person.

Also I have been in boxing and I have met few folks that are psychopaths. They ask for light sparring only to throw a super hard punch if they see an opening. So when it comes to sparring I simply decline their request and my reasoning is to bluntly inform them that, unless I know them on a personal level, then I am unable to accept their request. Light sparring is done with trusted partners. With unknown individuals, you treat it like an actual fight.

You sparred with charlie z?

 

[neonbelly***]

Psycopathy, like everything produced by so-called "psychology" is just a pop culture meme.

 

[Ogata]

You sparred with charlie z?

Lol Charlie is the extreme example. The folks that I am talking about exist. They don't sucker punch you out of nowhere but if they get a chance to throw a super hard punch in what is agreed to be a light sparring, they do. You hear tons of cases with famous fighters carefully choosing their training partners because you might end up with someone who is looking to make a name and tons of local fighters with shit attitude who are parasitic opportunist looking to hurt you in training.

 

[Watcha gunna doo]

Psycopathy, like everything produced by so-called "psychology" is just a pop culture meme.

Explain

 

[neonbelly***]

Explain

Psychology doesn't use the scientific method and psychiatry doesn't use the disease model, and insofar as they use statistics they often can't replicate the experimental results on which they base their claims.

 

[Watcha gunna doo]

Lol Charlie is the extreme example. The folks that I am talking about exist. They don't sucker punch you out of nowhere but if they get a chance to throw a super hard punch in what is agreed to be a light sparring, they do. You hear tons of cases with famous fighters carefully choosing their training partners because you might end up with someone who is looking to make a name and tons of local fighters with shit attitude who are parasitic opportunist looking to hurt you in training.

Punch them in the nuts imo

 

[franklinstower]

You are completely wrong. Psychopaths in business tend to be able to garner short term success, but over time they often ruin themselves through being impossible to work with and because they are often unable to tell truth from lies.

 

[Fedorgasm]

It would absolutely be an advantage.

People are misinformed about psychopaths. They associate that label with killers and murderers. It's not so. There are plenty of psychopaths that lead normal and successful lives.

In fact most people that are successful in high-level business are clinical psychopaths. They feel no remorse for fucking people over and ruining others lives on their way to the top.

Mark Zuckerberg is the best modern example.

 

[Rationality]

Not to turn this into a thread for another forum but -- study the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath. Sociopaths are the ones that hide in plain sight by convincingly posing as great people (which Bones has not done, btw, the convincing part) while being evil beyond most people's imagination. Psychopaths generally have fatal flaws in their thinking that bring about their demise. Sociopaths skate through life relatively scot-free because they successfully and convincingly position themselves as being morally superior people. A psychopath will usually be defeated but a sociopath can be the worst nightmare certain people ever face and they succeed for years and years. I just mean in life.

Trust me -- it's worth reading "the sociopath next door" or "people of the lie" because everyone crosses paths with sociopaths (about 5% of society) whereas very few will have to deal with a legit psychopath.

 

[Watcha gunna doo]

TurinaBones even attracts other sociopaths, colloquially known as the Bone-heads

interestingly he was room mates with chael and colby
Thats like the (ass)holey trinity

 

[Fox2twenty]

interestingly he was room mates with chael and colby
Thats like the (ass)holey trinity

Wow. Did not know that