Opinion Is Jimmy Dore right wing now?

[blaseblase]

I think Jimmy is going through a phase where he hates Dems more than Republicans because it hits closer to home. I'm in a similar position.

I've voted Dem all of my life and considered myself a progressive or at the least, pretty far left on a lot of issues. When they fail you over and over again and start talking about censorship, being anti-freedom of speech, anti-2A, pro-corporations and just straight lying, you just get really angry. It feels like they've abandoned everything they once stood for and you supported.

Jimmy has said before that the right wing is always going to be the right wing. You know where they stand. They are always going to be loyal to big business/corporations and pander to the Christian nationalists and gun supporters. Nothing has changed. The "left"/Dems though have changed so it's far easier and more passionate to go after them.

I do think the parties have flipped in certain ways. The Republicans seem far more liberal in certain areas now where the Dems are acting like conservative Republicans. I just don't like or associate with any party now and I'm fine with that.

I don't think Jimmy is right wing but he probably has more in common with the policies of Trump than he has with Harris. The world doesn't make sense and labels don't mean much anymore.

Lol what policies? There is nothing liberal or left wing about Trump's agenda. He's not even pretending to be remotely populist anymore.

 

[brothir]

Lol "none of that counts because reasons". I guess only one types like Obama are leftwingers and everyone else is on the right. Thanks for proving my point.

Arguments are built off of reasons, yes. That should be obvious. You can either address them or whinge airlessly. Obama is not the only kind of left-winger, but does provide a very useful template for a standard liberal. Hence how he won the presidency.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Arguments are built off of reasons, yes. That should be obvious. You can either address them or whinge airlessly. Obama is not the only kind of left-winger, but does provide a very useful template for a standard liberal. Hence how he won the presidency.

Your arguments are ridiculous. You define liberal movement as "the aggregate of what liberals want politically". Well most liberals want M4A and then you just dismiss Dore's work on that because he wasn't successful. How exactly does his lack of success somehow mean he's not on the left? Your other comments were just lies and emotional opinions. "1 article" yeah sure. Good job on proving me right. As I said, lockstep with the party.

 

[brothir]

Your arguments are ridiculous. You define liberal movement as "the aggregate of what liberals want politically". Well most liberals want M4A and then you just dismiss Dore's work on that because he wasn't successful. How exactly does his lack of success somehow mean he's not on the left? Your other comments were just lies and emotional opinions. "1 article" yeah sure. Good job on proving me right. As I said, lockstep with the party.

Rather doubtful that the majority of liberals want one, simply defined version of single payer. They'd need a super-majority to get it through. Dore has done nothing to organize any such thing, and has no political power to bolster it. So he's irrelevant, and commenting from the sidelines on a policy that is realistically an incredible long shot does not move the needle.

No, my other comments were not just lies: I actually believe them. I'm not even sure what exactly you're supposed to be right about. A political party has an ideological core, and people like Rogan are not primary believers or supporters of that. In order to actually get anything done politically, it's necessary for a party to have a focus. Dismissing it as "lockstep with the party" misses that point. You sound mad that Democrats get some good things done some of the time, as opposed to never for Republicans.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Rather doubtful that the majority of liberals want one, simply defined version of single payer.

That's what M4A is. Do you even know what we're discussing?

Dore has done nothing to organize any such thing, and has no political power to bolster it. So he's irrelevant, and commenting from the sidelines on a policy that is realistically an incredible long shot does not move the needle.

You ducked my question. Why is his lack of success relevant to this discussion?

No, my other comments were not just lies:

You lied about Taibbi's contributions. You know the one I highlighted. Thats easily verifiable.

A political party has an ideological core, and people like Rogan are not primary believers or supporters of that. In order to actually get anything done politically, it's necessary for a party to have a focus.

No, the democrats are the embodiment of the left. They're even close to the left most party. I guess you think Jill Stein is also a right winger.

Dismissing it as "lockstep with the party" misses that point. You sound mad that Democrats get some good things done some of the time, as opposed to never for Republicans.

Lol, I can't tell if you agree with me at this point or not. So you are saying you have to be a democrat in order to considered on the left?

 

[brothir]

That's what M4A is. Do you even know what we're discussing?

You ducked my question. Why is his lack of success relevant to this discussion?

You lied about Taibbi's contributions. You know the one I highlighted. Thats easily verifiable.

No, the democrats are the embodiment of the left. They're even close to the left most party. I guess you think Jill Stein is also a right winger.

Lol, I can't tell if you agree with me at this point or not. So you are saying you have to be a democrat in order to considered on the left?

There has never been a thoroughly defined single-payer policy that I know of. The ACA took like 9 months of just arguing with Republicans to get to a finished state, and no single-payer policy has gotten even remotely that far. Until it does, it's not relevant, and just being an infotainment quasi-pundit talking about it doesn't move the needle.

No, I didn't lie about Taibbi's "contributions". He's a permanently obnoxious quasi-pundit that occasionally makes some waves with one thing or another, and the last time that I can recall he was humiliated. That's not a good audition for being a core member of the left. You don't have to be a Democrat in order to be on the left, no, but the politically functional left is defined by the Democrats.

 

[Mr Holmes]

There has never been a thoroughly defined single-payer policy that I know of. The ACA took like 9 months of just arguing with Republicans to get to a finished state, and no single-payer policy has gotten even remotely that far. Until it does, it's not relevant, and just being an infotainment quasi-pundit talking about it doesn't move the needle.

I have to remind you again your own definition of liberal movement "the aggregate of what liberals want politically".

And now you're saying its not relevant to the liberal movement. Lol, sure. You talked yourself in a hole and the mental gymnastics in the world isn't going to get you out.

No, I didn't lie about Taibbi's "contributions".

"One article in Rolling Stone" This isn't a lie?? He's won awards for at least 3 of his Rollling Stones pieces.

the politically functional left is defined by the Democrats.

Lol no, not even close. There are plenty of things the democrats are illiberal on. Is Jill Stein on the left? It sure sounds like the standards you set out she wouldn't be.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Your arguments are ridiculous. You define liberal movement as "the aggregate of what liberals want politically". Well most liberals want M4A and then you just dismiss Dore's work on that because he wasn't successful. How exactly does his lack of success somehow mean he's not on the left? Your other comments were just lies and emotional opinions. "1 article" yeah sure. Good job on proving me right. As I said, lockstep with the party.

You know who advocated for M4A in 2016?

Donald Trump lol

I've also heard Tim Pool say that he's mostly in agreement with Jimmy on M4A...

 

[brothir]

I have to remind you again your own definition of liberal movement "the aggregate of what liberals want politically".

And now you're saying its not relevant to the liberal movement. Lol, sure. You talked yourself in a hole and the mental gymnastics in the world isn't going to get you out.

"One article in Rolling Stone" This isn't a lie?? He's won awards for at least 3 of his Rollling Stones pieces.

Lol no, not even close. There are plenty of things the democrats are illiberal on. Is Jill Stein on the left? It sure sounds like the standards you set out she wouldn't be.

Because, if you recall my earlier post, wanting any kind of single-payer and agreeing on one, concrete plan that will actually pass through Congress are wildly different things. A somewhat slim majority want single-payer, and I said you'd realistically need a super-majority. Don't implicitly lie about what I've said, now.

You're the one who brought up an article for the RS mag. I haven't read any of them, nor did I know he had won any awards. Clearly, they haven't been significant enough, and it could be they aren't representative of where he is now. If you want to do a thorough accounting of all of Taibbi's contributions in an attempt to decisively prove he's undervalued, knock yourself out.

I don't even know what you're saying with "things the Democrats are illiberal on". I said that the Democrats define the politically functional left.

 

[method115]

I don't think it's a case of right or left. I think he's just gone crazy.

He's angry and frustrated by imperfect allies who can't pass whatever purity test he makes up on the spot. So he sees them as enemies. When he attacks people on the left for not passing his purity test the right embraces him. They give him a platform, a pat on the head, maybe a cookie.

Outside of that he's just unwell. He seems obesessive, vindictive, paranoid, irrational, ideologically and morally inconsistent.

A few years ago I'd watch some of his videos, but over time it just felt like watching a man unravel. It felt gross and voyeristic.

I thought I responded to this already but maybe I didn't. Anyways this is like word for word my exact experience with Jimmy. Started off watching him and agreeing and it just slowly morphed into insanity.

 

[Zazen]

Him and Russel Brand have a lot of overlap in topics they cover and audiences. To me that shows that he became batshit insane with the conspiracies. He also only seems to criticize the left on topics that the right is even worse on. In real life he’s probably not much of a right winger but I think he’s been audience captured like so many others

 

[brothir]

Him and Russel Brand have a lot of overlap in topics they cover and audiences. To me that shows that he became batshit insane with the conspiracies. He also only seems to criticize the left on topics that the right is even worse on. In real life he’s probably not much of a right winger but I think he’s been audience captured like so many others

Two turds that thoroughly belong in the toilet they were shat out into.

 

[AZ103]

It's pretty straightforward. Passing any policy is not a free action, because it costs political capital in requiring compromise. Expending that capital on a doomed policy is stupid. People who want Democrats to do something stupid are either anti-Democrats or stupid themselves.

Define political capital.

 

[brothir]

Define political capital.

A balance of the willpower of your side to enact something specific and the willpower of the opposition to attempt to deny it.

 

[AZ103]

Well, it’s very stupid and asinine to support republicans instead of democrats because not all democrats support Medicare for all

And who is doing that exactly? Do you really think its only one unkept promise pushing people out of democrat party? Or do you think maybe its the failure to act, straight up lying, and false purity tests where if you failed youre labeled?

 

[AZ103]

A balance of the willpower of your side to enact something specific and the willpower of the opposition to attempt to deny it.

And you think holding a vote on something you promised to hold a vote on will effect... will power? And then what?

 

[brothir]

And you think holding a vote on something you promised to hold a vote on will effect... will power? And then what?

Yes. Attempts, whether successful or failed, will usually drain the willpower of your side and bolster that of the opposition. If successful, the hope is that the backlash won't be strong enough to undo what you've gained or worse. A failed attempt is all downside, obviously.

 

[AZ103]

Um, right. And Dore looks the other way when it comes to Trump's corruption, incompetence, and authoritarianism, while making false charges against Trump's opponents. What's the principle that leads to such behavior?

Do you want me to post videos of jimmy dore condeming trump for things? I can do it. Youll likely ignore them like when you said leftists dont hate cops and then i posted a montage of democrats crying to defund police followed by a video of democrat voters destroying cities and spray painting ACAB everywhere. But i can post them. Would you like me to?

 

[HOLA]

Him and Russel Brand have a lot of overlap in topics they cover and audiences. To me that shows that he became batshit insane with the conspiracies. He also only seems to criticize the left on topics that the right is even worse on. In real life he’s probably not much of a right winger but I think he’s been audience captured like so many others

Brand is just like Dore and Rubin more or less, except he had more success in show biz. But now that's fizzled out as he's been exposed as a creepy rapist etc, so it's time to grift MAGA. His YouTube videos are hilarious. Everything has titles like "It's happening!" and he uses the Tucker Carlson "OMG I just shit myself face."

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Lol what policies? There is nothing liberal or left wing about Trump's agenda. He's not even pretending to be remotely populist anymore.

Pro choice, pro union, pro free speech, pro 2A. These were all liberal principles at one point.

Now it’s abortion is fine no matter what, free speech should have limits (hate speech/misinformation), gun confiscation and buy backs. All of that sounds very Commie to me and I just can’t support it. I do think a lot of it is well meaning but it sends us down a dangerous path where we just become like everyone else instead of us being exceptional and unique.