Opinion Is Jimmy Dore right wing now?

[Jack V Savage]

Yes why are you even talking about people thinking that party politics should be custom tailored to them ? That's isn't anywhere close to what I said.

Hmm. I think it is, but maybe you can clarify.

And don't be a condescending asshole its tiring . I know what the parties actually believe in.

I don't think you do. You haven't explained your own views, but you "liked" a pretty silly post on the issue so maybe you can defend that. What issue do you think the parties have switched on in recent years? What makes you think Dems are less supportive of freedom of speech (a reminder that Trump recently said that criticizing judicial rulings he agrees with should be illegal, and Vance has written a piece calling for a newspaper columnist to be arrested for a column critical of Trump)?

 

[Jack V Savage]

I can tell you that voting for Trump certainly won't help reform the Dems. If you want to vote for Trump because you like Trump that's a different story, that would actually make sense.

Interesting question is what does cause a party to change its platform. It's pretty rare for it to happen (aside from new issues arising). What are some recent examples?

I think Democrats have become a bit less NIMBYish, and that's been the result of a concerted effort of YIMBY thinkers, though it's also kind of a new issue in that some Dem-controlled areas have faced acute housing shortages. Dems have also moved first toward free trade and then against it, though throughout it's always been an issue that divides both coalitions. Republicans have moved the other way there (same deal, though). Republicans have been taken over by anti-vaxers, which is new, and I think that's a result of educational polarization (as educated people leave the GOP and uneducated people move in, they've generally become a lot more CTish). Obviously Republicans have become a lot more accepting of political corruption and personal immorality in the Trump era.

Not sure if I'm missing anything, but it looks to me like at a high level, research and the development of new ideas can filter down to pundits and then the general public (the YIMBY thing) and electing politicians with some unusual views can move a party at least temporarily (as everyone falls in line).

 

[HOLA]

He was on TYT which is obviously left leaning so there's denying he was a leftist but I don't think he ever moved the needle much on his own until he found his niche as a staunch critic of the Democrats from the left which ultimately lead him to cozying up with right wing populists.

He's following in the exact footsteps of Dave Rubin.

1. Fail at stand up comedy.
2. Join The Young Turks
3. Realize it's far more lucrative to join the right-wing grift game
4. Do the "i'm a liberal who only criticizes liberals" schtick.

 

[SurferH2O]

Jimmy Dore is still Left Wing, but don't tell the Left Cult .

 

[Jack V Savage]

There are some good pundits on the left, right, and center. Noah Smith, Matt Yglesias, Alex Tabbarok, Steven Pinker, Tyler Cowen, Nate Silver, Richard Hanania, Ross Douthat, Paul Krugman, Jon Chait, Scott Alexander, Kevin Drum, NNT, Yuval Levin, Bryan Caplan, Ezra Klein, etc. Not endorsing any of their views in particular (impossible since many disagree). There are also a lot of straight-up hacks and grifters.

To add to this, here's Yglesias's latest:

The coming world of ubiquitous price discrimination

It's going to be annoying and weird — but with upside!

www.slowboring.com

You'll notice it has several characteristics you never see in a piece by hacks or grifters: It's educational; it provides his analytical framework for thinking about the issue; it's about an issue that doesn't have a strong partisan or ideological valence; and to the limited extent there is a coding, it leans against his usual "side." If Dore, Carlson, Shapiro, etc. have ever done a piece/episode like that, I'd like to see it.

Ed: I realize that that's paywalled, though I think you can see a bit of it even if you're not a subscriber. Here's a free one that fits the same description:

What's wrong with the media

The young/urban/educated bubble in an era of growing polarization

www.slowboring.com

 

[steveflynn]

so you did some false equivalency and we are supposed to eat it up and agree?

Ive made several posts showing Jimmy supports UHC/M4A, Unions/workers, is against war and funding of proxy wars, and that he is essentially a member of the ACAB crew and yet because he is unhappy with democrats you and others insist hes secretly right wing.

This is a very very large part of the problem for democrats. The ostracizing of people of principal. Running off Obama voters until they vote for Trump and then blaming said voter when in fact the party is utterly broken and corrupt.

*people of principle

Definitely think that the Republican Party is more corrupt and broken than the democrats.

 

[Loiosh]

He's a lying grifter, his politics don't matter.

 

[steveflynn]

Jimmy Dore is still Left Wing, but don't tell the Left Cult .

Not necessarily, if he supports/endorses republicans or trump then he’s obviously not on the left wing. Just like you’re not a libertarian because you support trump who is obviously not a libertarian

 

[steveflynn]

He's a lying grifter, his politics don't matter.

I have now seen a few videos of his and wonder why he thinks trump was anti war and against the establishment when he was obviously pro both….hmm

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

He's right-wing because he supports left-wing policies and criticizes the people who claim to support the same things not implementing them when they had power? To me that sounds like he's an independent thinking left-winger who doesn't toe the party line.

I feel like most lefties put him in the right basket based on this. It's a bit like those who think Joe Rogan is right wing, he's not for a lot of reasons

 

[Jack V Savage]

I feel like most lefties put him in the right basket based on this. It's a bit like those who think Joe Rogan is right wing, he's not for a lot of reasons

Not really. Lots of independent-thinking lefties who frequently disagree with Democrats aren't seen the way Dore is. I still haven't seen anyone pushing this line explain that.

 

[AZ103]

*people of principle

Definitely think that the Republican Party is more corrupt and broken than the democrats.

Firstly, thats an opinion. Second, people of principle MAY beleive that (i doubt it) but as i stated and stand by they are being forced out of the democrat party with fake purity tests. There are people in this thread saying asking for a congressional vote on Medicare for all is proof of republican leaning and is weaponizing politics against democrats who ran on medicare for all. Do you not see how stupid that is and how it effects people who operate on principle?

 

[Jacket time]

 

[Jack V Savage]

Firstly, thats an opinion. Second, people of principle MAY beleive that (i doubt it) but as i stated and stand by they are being forced out of the democrat party with fake purity tests. There are people in this thread saying asking for a congressional vote on Medicare for all is proof of republican leaning and is weaponizing politics against democrats who ran on medicare for all. Do you not see how stupid that is and how it effects people who operate on principle?

What's the principle that leads to hackish posts like yours or to look the other way when it comes to Trump's corruption, incompetence, and authoritarianism?

 

[AZ103]

What's the principle that leads to hackish posts like yours or to look the other way when it comes to Trump's corruption, incompetence, and authoritarianism?

Who said i do any of that? This thread isnt about Trump. Its about Jimmy dore. If youd like to come at me for my beleifs on Trump you should do so when hes the topic of dicussion and ive stated my thoughts/feelings/opinions on the man. Youre trying to change the subject because youre getting handled in this thread.

As far as i can tell when it comes to Jimmy Dore, which is the topic at hand, you make decisions based on how you feel about him and what you presume his motives to be. To the point youll spin wanting a vote on M4A as a play for the republican party.

 

[brothir]

Firstly, thats an opinion. Second, people of principle MAY beleive that (i doubt it) but as i stated and stand by they are being forced out of the democrat party with fake purity tests. There are people in this thread saying asking for a congressional vote on Medicare for all is proof of republican leaning and is weaponizing politics against democrats who ran on medicare for all. Do you not see how stupid that is and how it effects people who operate on principle?

It's pretty straightforward. Passing any policy is not a free action, because it costs political capital in requiring compromise. Expending that capital on a doomed policy is stupid. People who want Democrats to do something stupid are either anti-Democrats or stupid themselves.

 

[HOLA]

I feel like most lefties put him in the right basket based on this. It's a bit like those who think Joe Rogan is right wing, he's not for a lot of reasons

He's a right-winger who smokes pot and is slightly more open about his fantasizing about cock.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Jimmy Dore is still Left Wing, but don't tell the Left Cult .

Basically this, anyone that isn't lockstep with the party is ostracized. Matt Taibbi, Russel Brand, Tulsi Gabbard, Glenn Greenwald, Joe Rogan have all received the same treatment.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Interesting question is what does cause a party to change its platform. It's pretty rare for it to happen (aside from new issues arising). What are some recent examples?

I think Democrats have become a bit less NIMBYish, and that's been the result of a concerted effort of YIMBY thinkers, though it's also kind of a new issue in that some Dem-controlled areas have faced acute housing shortages. Dems have also moved first toward free trade and then against it, though throughout it's always been an issue that divides both coalitions. Republicans have moved the other way there (same deal, though). Republicans have been taken over by anti-vaxers, which is new, and I think that's a result of educational polarization (as educated people leave the GOP and uneducated people move in, they've generally become a lot more CTish). Obviously Republicans have become a lot more accepting of political corruption and personal immorality in the Trump era.

Not sure if I'm missing anything, but it looks to me like at a high level, research and the development of new ideas can filter down to pundits and then the general public (the YIMBY thing) and electing politicians with some unusual views can move a party at least temporarily (as everyone falls in line).

One thing that will cause both parties to shift their platform, and we are already seeing it happen in real time, is the death of cable television and the way people consume media. Right wing Internet media is turning into a big money operation similar to how Fox News built a juggernaut during the 90s and 2000s.

Another thing is public education. You touched on it in your post and we are seeing uneducated voters shift further to the right while more educated voters are shifting left. We know what's going to happen if right wing chuds are allowed to continue to destroy education. And this will have massive ripple effects beyond political ideology.

Decline of religion in America is no doubt having a big impact on political shifts as well. In 1976, 91% of the country considered themselves to be Christian. In 2016 it was 73.7%. in 2022, that number fell to 64%. It will be interesting to see if this number increases or declined over the next few decades as the right continues to gut education and continues to push for indoctrination of children into this bullshit. We are seeing them force it up on kids in schools in red states. I kinda doubt they can win this fight though. That cat is kinda already out of the bag on this one. Feel like it's going to be harder and harder to get people to believe in skyman rhetoric.

Techbro billionaires maybe considered a new issue I guess. Not sure if they are really much different than standard rich cunts of the past though. This goes hand in hand with point #1 and cable television dying out. People like Elon Musk are buying up their own propaganda outlets online. China has basically neutered the Internet over there. American conservatives are starting to do that here. We are already seeing states with drivers license requirements to watch porn online lmao (what could go wrong?). Techbro billionaires like Elon seem a little more dangerous than billionaires of the past imo. Seems a lot easier to stamp out opposition online than it does in print, especially when they decide to finally start going full China. Will be interesting to see how successful they are. My guess is that it will be much more successful than the war on music in the 80s and 90s due to the power that telecom and ISP companies have.

Corporatism is kind lumped in with all this stuff and has been an ongoing issue since basically forever at this point. But this was really exacerbated when the court system ruled that corporations can dump unlimited money and bribes into American politics. Eventually, this issue is something that I think will push policy further to the left. I find it hard to believe that a country with 300 million people and counting will continue to put up with it. Republicans and Democrats agree on this (the people not the politicians). Eventually the Republican voters will catch on and shift away from "deregulation" lol and realize that this shit is just enriching corporations and harming regular citizens. Not sure what is going to trigger that point, but I believe it is going to be this election. Trump will be too old to run again, their cult of personality will be gone and they will be left with people like Ted Cruz and Ron Desantis who people just generally detest as soon as they open their mouths on a national stage. These guys thrive in state level politics, but once they are front and center on a national scale, people just make fun of their fake ideology. The wild card is if a new cult of personality pops up for them. It just doesn't seem as likely though. Trump is both uniquely crazy, dumb, compulsive liar and charismatic all rolled into one. It just seems unlikely that they will find somebody else like this in the near future. We see who the techbros picked. JD Vance lmao. Vivek could have pulled something like this off, but he's the wrong skin color for them. After that, I don't really know. A lot of these grifters like Vance are very intelligent, but that fucks them over trying to pull off the Trump grift. It makes It too obvious that they're fake as fuck.

 

[filthybliss]

You get one vote . How else do you tell either the Republicans or the democrats I'm not buying what you are selling and I'd like you to tweak your positions if you would like to continue to count on my support ?

So you would protest corruption by voting in a more corrupt force? I’d understand not voting to make a statement.